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Dear Trump Supporters,

Why? Why would you vote for him? What about him appeals to you? I find it appalling that this many Americans could prefer a racist, egocentric, perverted, misogynist demagogue over someone with actual political experience. Whether or not you approve of Hillary Clinton's political views, why would you support someone who is, for face value, evil? Would you really elect an a**h*** of a man who will, beyond shadow of a doubt, make the rich more wealthy and everyone else more poor?

Climate change has been proven time and time again, yet somehow the uneducated shine out above. I find it shocking that he won Florida, the state that is currently being
the most affected by global warming and the like. How could you vote for a man who ignores the blatantly true facts? Something that has so much evidence for it and nothing to suggest against it?

Getting into more specific issues, how could you be against gun control? You should have nothing to hide. If you actually looked into the issues for once, you would realize that gun control isn't taking away your guns. It isn't violating the second amendment. It's requiring psychological and background checks for purchasers of firearms. Why protest gun control so hard unless you have something to fear? How many times have you needed to protect yourself by spraying bullets with an automatic-firing assault rifle? How many times have you had your guns taken away from you by the rules Obama has put into place? How many times have you failed a background check?

Not just half of America, but almost every major country in the world realizes how bad we Americans have screwed up. We have elected an evil, evil man to lead our country. Many people like him because he is old-fashioned and could bring us back to the "golden age," the 1950s. The 1950s post-war boom brought many developments, from economic to technological and scientific. But the 1950s also didn't have any laws against beating your wife. It didn't have any laws against abusing your children until they were broken and bleeding all over. An era where you were rarely tried for rape if a woman spoke out against you. Whites and "colored people" were separated. And guess what? These fall into Donald Trump's personality. A womanizer, a pervert, and a racist. There is no denying what he is.

Why do you hate Hillary, not as a politician, but as a person? Are you really so stupid to ignore the facts? Nothing bad has come out of her email leaks. The only "illegal" thing about it is the fact that she did it. How many life-changing government secrets were lost because of the leaks? How many people died because of the leaks? How many illegal activities did she talk about in here emails? None. Above that, the FBI has cleared her of any wrongdoings multiple times, yet republicans still thing she's done something awful with these emails. Something so awful that, apparently, is even worse than racism, sexism, and running other companies bankrupt by not paying them what you signed you would because "maybe they didn't do a good job."

What don't you understand about the Benghazi incident? She asked for more troops and Jason Chaffetz, a representative for Utah and chairman of the US Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said that they didn't have enough money to send them over to Benghazi. But somehow it's Hillary's fault. Somehow, the only person who wanted to send troops, is blamed for not sending them.

I am angry that Trump won, but I am flat-out disgusted that my fellow Americans would vote for someone like him. Is this who we truly are? People so uneducated that, ignorant of the facts, will vote for someone who is a straight-up a**h*** to Mexicans, Muslims, Chinese, and immigrants of all kinds? Someone that talks in a sexual manner about 10-year-old girls riding up an escalator? Someone that wants to grab women by their genitals? Someone that has been accused repeatedly of groping women without their consent or approval? Someone who wants to get out of NATO and not help others because they "aren't doing their fair share?" Someone who doesn't care about poor people, people who were cheated by the system, people who struggle living a life above the poverty line? 

Yes, this is who we are. We are the United States of America. We voted Donald Trump to become our president.
Dear Trump Supporters,

Why? Why would you vote for him? What about him appeals to you? I find it appalling that this many Americans could prefer a racist, egocentric, perverted, misogynist demagogue over someone with actual political experience. Whether or not you approve of Hillary Clinton's political views, why would you support someone who is, for face value, evil? Would you really elect an a**h*** of a man who will, beyond shadow of a doubt, make the rich more wealthy and everyone else more poor?

Climate change has been proven time and time again, yet somehow the uneducated shine out above. I find it shocking that he won Florida, the state that is currently being
the most affected by global warming and the like. How could you vote for a man who ignores the blatantly true facts? Something that has so much evidence for it and nothing to suggest against it?

Getting into more specific issues, how could you be against gun control? You should have nothing to hide. If you actually looked into the issues for once, you would realize that gun control isn't taking away your guns. It isn't violating the second amendment. It's requiring psychological and background checks for purchasers of firearms. Why protest gun control so hard unless you have something to fear? How many times have you needed to protect yourself by spraying bullets with an automatic-firing assault rifle? How many times have you had your guns taken away from you by the rules Obama has put into place? How many times have you failed a background check?

Not just half of America, but almost every major country in the world realizes how bad we Americans have screwed up. We have elected an evil, evil man to lead our country. Many people like him because he is old-fashioned and could bring us back to the "golden age," the 1950s. The 1950s post-war boom brought many developments, from economic to technological and scientific. But the 1950s also didn't have any laws against beating your wife. It didn't have any laws against abusing your children until they were broken and bleeding all over. An era where you were rarely tried for rape if a woman spoke out against you. Whites and "colored people" were separated. And guess what? These fall into Donald Trump's personality. A womanizer, a pervert, and a racist. There is no denying what he is.

Why do you hate Hillary, not as a politician, but as a person? Are you really so stupid to ignore the facts? Nothing bad has come out of her email leaks. The only "illegal" thing about it is the fact that she did it. How many life-changing government secrets were lost because of the leaks? How many people died because of the leaks? How many illegal activities did she talk about in here emails? None. Above that, the FBI has cleared her of any wrongdoings multiple times, yet republicans still thing she's done something awful with these emails. Something so awful that, apparently, is even worse than racism, sexism, and running other companies bankrupt by not paying them what you signed you would because "maybe they didn't do a good job."

What don't you understand about the Benghazi incident? She asked for more troops and Jason Chaffetz, a representative for Utah and chairman of the US Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said that they didn't have enough money to send them over to Benghazi. But somehow it's Hillary's fault. Somehow, the only person who wanted to send troops, is blamed for not sending them.

I am angry that Trump won, but I am flat-out disgusted that my fellow Americans would vote for someone like him. Is this who we truly are? People so uneducated that, ignorant of the facts, will vote for someone who is a straight-up a**h*** to Mexicans, Muslims, Chinese, and immigrants of all kinds? Someone that talks in a sexual manner about 10-year-old girls riding up an escalator? Someone that wants to grab women by their genitals? Someone that has been accused repeatedly of groping women without their consent or approval? Someone who wants to get out of NATO and not help others because they "aren't doing their fair share?" Someone who doesn't care about poor people, people who were cheated by the system, people who struggle living a life above the poverty line? 

Yes, this is who we are. We are the United States of America. We voted Donald Trump to become our president.
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I wasn't a supporter of either candidate but to me this was less of an endorsement of Trump and his policies and more of a rejection of Clinton.

Also, stop listening to the major news networks. They are lying to you.
I wasn't a supporter of either candidate but to me this was less of an endorsement of Trump and his policies and more of a rejection of Clinton.

Also, stop listening to the major news networks. They are lying to you.
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Every thread you guys keep making about this gets you a step closer towards Spain. Just like you, I have no clue why my fellow citizens would vote for a man who oozes stupidity from each pore of his body, representing a party so drowned in s*** that they don't even see the light anymore, who refuse to progress into the future by shielding the old traditions...

But you know what? There's no good candidate out there to substitute him. The other political parties are either a bit radical, are also drowning in s*** or literally don't have their political path clear. So yeah, while it's a shame who is in the power, we could talk equally bad about any of his rivals if they got elected.

The US is just going through the same as the rest of the world. In later years, whoever rises to power is the least wanted one: Philippines, Spain, UK, US... The list just keeps going on. It would be amazing if someone turned the tide and see if the rest of the world followed suit, but I doubt the US can be that beaconing light, or any other current country if I must be honest.

Complaining about the president will do no good, we have five years of experience in that. You'll have to endure it or migrate, just like tenths of thousands of people (all young, to be precise) have done in here because of a rotting country.
Every thread you guys keep making about this gets you a step closer towards Spain. Just like you, I have no clue why my fellow citizens would vote for a man who oozes stupidity from each pore of his body, representing a party so drowned in s*** that they don't even see the light anymore, who refuse to progress into the future by shielding the old traditions...

But you know what? There's no good candidate out there to substitute him. The other political parties are either a bit radical, are also drowning in s*** or literally don't have their political path clear. So yeah, while it's a shame who is in the power, we could talk equally bad about any of his rivals if they got elected.

The US is just going through the same as the rest of the world. In later years, whoever rises to power is the least wanted one: Philippines, Spain, UK, US... The list just keeps going on. It would be amazing if someone turned the tide and see if the rest of the world followed suit, but I doubt the US can be that beaconing light, or any other current country if I must be honest.

Complaining about the president will do no good, we have five years of experience in that. You'll have to endure it or migrate, just like tenths of thousands of people (all young, to be precise) have done in here because of a rotting country.
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Possible reasons why Hillary Clinton lost the election:

1. Russians hacked the voting machines in favor of Trump
2. Women lean towards and are attracted to angry abusive men like Trump
3. Blacks felt screwed either way because both candidates were white so they didn't vote
4. Illegal aliens don't care they don't need politicians to jump borders and reap the rewards
5. We are still a sexist country who'd rather see a women cooking then pay them equally for work
6. Hillary doesn't look like a starving magazine model like Trumps 3rd wife and daughters
7. If people with political experience have sucked this bad then someone with no experience couldn't possibly suck any worse
8. People figured that Washington is full of clowns so why not elect a twitter trolling joker into office
Possible reasons why Hillary Clinton lost the election:

1. Russians hacked the voting machines in favor of Trump
2. Women lean towards and are attracted to angry abusive men like Trump
3. Blacks felt screwed either way because both candidates were white so they didn't vote
4. Illegal aliens don't care they don't need politicians to jump borders and reap the rewards
5. We are still a sexist country who'd rather see a women cooking then pay them equally for work
6. Hillary doesn't look like a starving magazine model like Trumps 3rd wife and daughters
7. If people with political experience have sucked this bad then someone with no experience couldn't possibly suck any worse
8. People figured that Washington is full of clowns so why not elect a twitter trolling joker into office
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TheFadedWarrior : Geeogree has a definite point there. The only issues you have brought up have been spoon fed to you by the current day news media which historically has proven to tell more fibs than even the people running them realize[and these are spin professionals who like to play fast and loose with truth to achieve the effect they wish]. The riots in Baltimore and loads of other places, that actually is the news media's fault[by incitement] for focusing on a black/white issue that was becoming less relevant by every passing year until they starting beaming subjective interpretations about it into your brain as though they were gospel. Next time you see something like that which makes you upset, calm down, step 2: try to figure out what the news medium's agenda is for presenting the news in this way. Try to seek more information when the only things you see are what upset you, otherwise you are not getting the full story. Why would a news medium claim responsibility for inciting any riot which is their fault when they can control what people think by being shrewd with their presentation? Push that baby spoon away once in a while when the mashed peas leave a horrible taste in your mouth. Investigate the flavours of news on your own terms. Be smart. Smart newscasters can roll you into their pocket if you are not.



I have seen fancy-pants newsmen balk uncomfortably at claiming responsibility when confronted by a black police commissioner telling them they were 1/ making it up, 2/ making it worse and 3/ he asked if they would stop presenting the news in such a biased way because it was causing harm among the public by focusing on something was not an issue when he first sent his cops to take to the streets. Oh, the old days.



It just so happens that the news press profits considerably in popular media market-share by injecting drama where there previously was very little. Drama is a big seller in fiction so it made sense for the profiting press media to focus on sensationalizing their reports or focusing an inordinate amount of content on the more sensational aspects of what they have.



You have asked the wrong question. It is not "why would anyone vote for Don Trump?" It is "why would anyone vote for a Clinton to be President of the United States ever again?" "President Clinton of the USA" may be made by anagram to "To copulate, she finds intern." All that happened before you were born so maybe you did not get the significance of it. Americans never want to see a Clinton as their President ever again. They rejected her in 2008 and 2016. Who you marry and what name you take has a significant impact on any future political aspirations you may not even have yet. Bill has philandered since the seventies and he seemed to think it was fine because Kennedy did it[sparking the free love movement/oh yeah, the NSA cannot thank him enough for the decrease in romantic morality he stimulated among Americans and by extension the world/they can make almost anyone nosedive out of a political race anytime they want now] without diminishing his popularity.



Also, you probably didn't see The Apprentice when it got hot. Don Trump has legitimate leadership qualities as a top boss and in a board room situation[happens a lot with world leaders] he can get the truth out of just about anyone. We [adults in the room] witnessed him do this time and again where he would get liars to tell the truth even when it would be a supreme career benefit to have him believe their lies.





Who better to expect and inspire the truth than a human lie detector?





So what if a news medium focuses more on him telling people exactly what they want to hear and then disproving his statements to their satisfaction and agenda? What is their agenda? Leveraging someone else into the top job using their widely public mind control powers is usually what it is in a presidential race.



Also, I find it highly illogical to even suggest that a leader on the United States political scene would make the slightest effort to repeal domestic abuse laws when they have benefited everyone across the country. Why are you even suggesting that such a thing could happen no matter who the president is? That would not benefit anyone or get any votes. He's probably talking about the level of public morality, decency and politeness that preceded the Kennedy administration. Maybe you do have a future job prospect as a media spin doctor if you are willing to make such wild suggestions off of a comment that was clearly meant to be positive. Only possible to have a job at that if you can keep your own head under control and spray your agenda even wider than you already have, of course.





Quite odd for a person to focus only on the small scale bad stuff that happened in the past and still happens on a small scale today. We could instead focus as Don Trump does with bringing only the very best out of the past and focus on reestablishing that while abandoning the bad stuff that we are sick of hearing about.



If this[what you've said] is what you believe, you have probably never heard him speak in an arena that he[not the media spin doctors] controls. Then he could get a positive message across to you without being adulterated. Yes. Every message you have gotten from him is adulterated.



That's quite a contrast when you see clearly for the first time that the Clintons are a family of adulterers.



Who will you vote for in the next presidential election? A person whose adulterated message is skewed so it doesn't really reach your ears in the positive way it left his or her lips or an undeniable supporter of adultery. Any woman who did not support adultery would have left a man like that but she supports him and all his decisions and does support adultery without question.





Who we are, is people. We need guidance and real leadership qualities among those selected. If Mrs. Clinton was ever going to be an absolute top leader, she would have taken a stand against her husband years ago but she didn't address it properly at any time from 1974 to the present day. She will never be the top dog with that hanging over her. She is no leader. She follows. On Twitter.



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TheFadedWarrior : Geeogree has a definite point there. The only issues you have brought up have been spoon fed to you by the current day news media which historically has proven to tell more fibs than even the people running them realize[and these are spin professionals who like to play fast and loose with truth to achieve the effect they wish]. The riots in Baltimore and loads of other places, that actually is the news media's fault[by incitement] for focusing on a black/white issue that was becoming less relevant by every passing year until they starting beaming subjective interpretations about it into your brain as though they were gospel. Next time you see something like that which makes you upset, calm down, step 2: try to figure out what the news medium's agenda is for presenting the news in this way. Try to seek more information when the only things you see are what upset you, otherwise you are not getting the full story. Why would a news medium claim responsibility for inciting any riot which is their fault when they can control what people think by being shrewd with their presentation? Push that baby spoon away once in a while when the mashed peas leave a horrible taste in your mouth. Investigate the flavours of news on your own terms. Be smart. Smart newscasters can roll you into their pocket if you are not.



I have seen fancy-pants newsmen balk uncomfortably at claiming responsibility when confronted by a black police commissioner telling them they were 1/ making it up, 2/ making it worse and 3/ he asked if they would stop presenting the news in such a biased way because it was causing harm among the public by focusing on something was not an issue when he first sent his cops to take to the streets. Oh, the old days.



It just so happens that the news press profits considerably in popular media market-share by injecting drama where there previously was very little. Drama is a big seller in fiction so it made sense for the profiting press media to focus on sensationalizing their reports or focusing an inordinate amount of content on the more sensational aspects of what they have.



You have asked the wrong question. It is not "why would anyone vote for Don Trump?" It is "why would anyone vote for a Clinton to be President of the United States ever again?" "President Clinton of the USA" may be made by anagram to "To copulate, she finds intern." All that happened before you were born so maybe you did not get the significance of it. Americans never want to see a Clinton as their President ever again. They rejected her in 2008 and 2016. Who you marry and what name you take has a significant impact on any future political aspirations you may not even have yet. Bill has philandered since the seventies and he seemed to think it was fine because Kennedy did it[sparking the free love movement/oh yeah, the NSA cannot thank him enough for the decrease in romantic morality he stimulated among Americans and by extension the world/they can make almost anyone nosedive out of a political race anytime they want now] without diminishing his popularity.



Also, you probably didn't see The Apprentice when it got hot. Don Trump has legitimate leadership qualities as a top boss and in a board room situation[happens a lot with world leaders] he can get the truth out of just about anyone. We [adults in the room] witnessed him do this time and again where he would get liars to tell the truth even when it would be a supreme career benefit to have him believe their lies.





Who better to expect and inspire the truth than a human lie detector?





So what if a news medium focuses more on him telling people exactly what they want to hear and then disproving his statements to their satisfaction and agenda? What is their agenda? Leveraging someone else into the top job using their widely public mind control powers is usually what it is in a presidential race.



Also, I find it highly illogical to even suggest that a leader on the United States political scene would make the slightest effort to repeal domestic abuse laws when they have benefited everyone across the country. Why are you even suggesting that such a thing could happen no matter who the president is? That would not benefit anyone or get any votes. He's probably talking about the level of public morality, decency and politeness that preceded the Kennedy administration. Maybe you do have a future job prospect as a media spin doctor if you are willing to make such wild suggestions off of a comment that was clearly meant to be positive. Only possible to have a job at that if you can keep your own head under control and spray your agenda even wider than you already have, of course.





Quite odd for a person to focus only on the small scale bad stuff that happened in the past and still happens on a small scale today. We could instead focus as Don Trump does with bringing only the very best out of the past and focus on reestablishing that while abandoning the bad stuff that we are sick of hearing about.



If this[what you've said] is what you believe, you have probably never heard him speak in an arena that he[not the media spin doctors] controls. Then he could get a positive message across to you without being adulterated. Yes. Every message you have gotten from him is adulterated.



That's quite a contrast when you see clearly for the first time that the Clintons are a family of adulterers.



Who will you vote for in the next presidential election? A person whose adulterated message is skewed so it doesn't really reach your ears in the positive way it left his or her lips or an undeniable supporter of adultery. Any woman who did not support adultery would have left a man like that but she supports him and all his decisions and does support adultery without question.





Who we are, is people. We need guidance and real leadership qualities among those selected. If Mrs. Clinton was ever going to be an absolute top leader, she would have taken a stand against her husband years ago but she didn't address it properly at any time from 1974 to the present day. She will never be the top dog with that hanging over her. She is no leader. She follows. On Twitter.



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Wow, y'all really scared Faded out of his wits by disliking his post! You scared him so much you didn't even need to reply!!!

Anyways, I ask the same question that the thread title asks. I don't understand how people say it was just a matter of voting the "lesser of the two evils". I understand a lot of people did have that reasoning, but many voted him simply because he's Republican. Many liked him because "he isn't afraid to speak his mind". I don't really want the head of state of America to make derogatory comments toward minorities and women. I don't want his irrational hate of the world's fastest growing religion to be influencing tons and tons of little kids. You know his point is weak when he immediately follows up with "I have some Muslim friends". I hope he actually realizes how ridiculous a lot of the stuff that came out of his mouth was. I hope it was just to get attention and he will not actually act this way in his presidency.

I overheard a conversation at the store and someone was like "someone should assassinate Trump", but that's probably 10x worse considering who is VP is.
Wow, y'all really scared Faded out of his wits by disliking his post! You scared him so much you didn't even need to reply!!!

Anyways, I ask the same question that the thread title asks. I don't understand how people say it was just a matter of voting the "lesser of the two evils". I understand a lot of people did have that reasoning, but many voted him simply because he's Republican. Many liked him because "he isn't afraid to speak his mind". I don't really want the head of state of America to make derogatory comments toward minorities and women. I don't want his irrational hate of the world's fastest growing religion to be influencing tons and tons of little kids. You know his point is weak when he immediately follows up with "I have some Muslim friends". I hope he actually realizes how ridiculous a lot of the stuff that came out of his mouth was. I hope it was just to get attention and he will not actually act this way in his presidency.

I overheard a conversation at the store and someone was like "someone should assassinate Trump", but that's probably 10x worse considering who is VP is.
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Huh...Well I certainly don't see any of that going on. >.> <.<

None of these issues are a one-way street. These votes were a mixture of those who support Trump, and those who just don't want to see Hillary in office. You know, because Hillary is totally not racist, bigoted, intolerant, or in any ways evil? What's wrong? Just forget about the emails! Nothing can be PROVEN to be shady or criminal. Just listen to the major news networks and believe! Just forget about the mishandling of classified information. Just ignore that a brutal FBI investigation suddenly stopped and the leader of the investigation suddenly supports her. Forget the mistreatment of employees. Forget the transparent bribery. She won't flat out make statements that won't hurt your feelings! She only let people die horribly in Benghazi ONE time guys! She's a good leader! Just don't interrupt her sleep, okay? Oh and let's not EVEN begin about the threats she's sent to people who have spent a little extra time with her husband. Or actually, a lot of missing friends of her's...

Emotional appeal can only get you so far. Most of the anti-Trump complaints boil down to emotional appeal over hypothetical people either A: breaking the law. Or B: are trying to move to the USA from a violent place, under the false pretense that there will be a permanent ban on Muslims.

Ruthless, brutal, shaming on anybody who doesn't want a strong, capable, trustworthy, candidate that is totally not under U.N Sanctions and FBI investigations leading the country. Kicking the dog that is the American public, or anybody who doesn't fall in line or agree with you, is exactly why she and the media have lost this election. The picture being panted across the board was "You're with her 100%, or you are a racist, sexist, misogynistic, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamaphobic, uneducated, irredeemable, immature, deplorable waste of a human being". The entire nation, shockingly, wasn't too happy to hear this message. People for some reason DIDN'T blindly listen to what they were told to think. The email leaks made people take a second look at what was going on. The unchallenged, universal criticism from every single media outlet only having a problem with him made others feel uneasy too.
While some people who supported Trump share some of those negative attributes, but this certainly isn't the case for everybody who supports him. Every fruit market has it's bad apples.

Trump isn't perfect. Climate change is a huge issue to me. Do I personally think he and I would get along on everything? No. But he is the only politician that can't be bought, or actually shows support for American citizens and troops. People like him because he says what he means, and means what he says. There isn't a lot of flip flopping from him. Unlike Hillary, who 20 years ago, was strongly against gay rights.

And a final note, if you are disgusted by rape, why the actual hell are you going anywhere near Clinton? Who is on record laughing about a rape victim, blaming her, sending death threats to silence people Bill has molested, the pedophile and human organ trafficking organizations that the Clinton foundation has given money to, and taken donations from, as well as under the table money exchanging with countries that openly support actual slavery, and where women actually have no rights. But, you know, the confirmed false accusations hurt more feelings, right?
Anyway all because a president wants something, that doesn't automatically mean it will happen. This is only one of the three heads of the dragon. The senate and judicial systems limit the president's power.


Huh...Well I certainly don't see any of that going on. >.> <.<

None of these issues are a one-way street. These votes were a mixture of those who support Trump, and those who just don't want to see Hillary in office. You know, because Hillary is totally not racist, bigoted, intolerant, or in any ways evil? What's wrong? Just forget about the emails! Nothing can be PROVEN to be shady or criminal. Just listen to the major news networks and believe! Just forget about the mishandling of classified information. Just ignore that a brutal FBI investigation suddenly stopped and the leader of the investigation suddenly supports her. Forget the mistreatment of employees. Forget the transparent bribery. She won't flat out make statements that won't hurt your feelings! She only let people die horribly in Benghazi ONE time guys! She's a good leader! Just don't interrupt her sleep, okay? Oh and let's not EVEN begin about the threats she's sent to people who have spent a little extra time with her husband. Or actually, a lot of missing friends of her's...

Emotional appeal can only get you so far. Most of the anti-Trump complaints boil down to emotional appeal over hypothetical people either A: breaking the law. Or B: are trying to move to the USA from a violent place, under the false pretense that there will be a permanent ban on Muslims.

Ruthless, brutal, shaming on anybody who doesn't want a strong, capable, trustworthy, candidate that is totally not under U.N Sanctions and FBI investigations leading the country. Kicking the dog that is the American public, or anybody who doesn't fall in line or agree with you, is exactly why she and the media have lost this election. The picture being panted across the board was "You're with her 100%, or you are a racist, sexist, misogynistic, xenophobic, homophobic, Islamaphobic, uneducated, irredeemable, immature, deplorable waste of a human being". The entire nation, shockingly, wasn't too happy to hear this message. People for some reason DIDN'T blindly listen to what they were told to think. The email leaks made people take a second look at what was going on. The unchallenged, universal criticism from every single media outlet only having a problem with him made others feel uneasy too.
While some people who supported Trump share some of those negative attributes, but this certainly isn't the case for everybody who supports him. Every fruit market has it's bad apples.

Trump isn't perfect. Climate change is a huge issue to me. Do I personally think he and I would get along on everything? No. But he is the only politician that can't be bought, or actually shows support for American citizens and troops. People like him because he says what he means, and means what he says. There isn't a lot of flip flopping from him. Unlike Hillary, who 20 years ago, was strongly against gay rights.

And a final note, if you are disgusted by rape, why the actual hell are you going anywhere near Clinton? Who is on record laughing about a rape victim, blaming her, sending death threats to silence people Bill has molested, the pedophile and human organ trafficking organizations that the Clinton foundation has given money to, and taken donations from, as well as under the table money exchanging with countries that openly support actual slavery, and where women actually have no rights. But, you know, the confirmed false accusations hurt more feelings, right?
Anyway all because a president wants something, that doesn't automatically mean it will happen. This is only one of the three heads of the dragon. The senate and judicial systems limit the president's power.
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Michael Moore said it best - people were hurt, fed up, and felt ignored by the system. Some voters are on par with Trump, some are iffy, and some really don't care for him but really don't want Hilary in. This is kind of a "stick it to the man" type of deal - and no matter how you feel, this definitely has gotten attention of the Democrats.

I'm not particularly pleased either lol but I really hope Trump is a successful president. Not just because Canada is your northern neighbor and we could also be affected as well, but because your country has made a lot of progress. Here's hoping.

Michael Moore said it best - people were hurt, fed up, and felt ignored by the system. Some voters are on par with Trump, some are iffy, and some really don't care for him but really don't want Hilary in. This is kind of a "stick it to the man" type of deal - and no matter how you feel, this definitely has gotten attention of the Democrats.

I'm not particularly pleased either lol but I really hope Trump is a successful president. Not just because Canada is your northern neighbor and we could also be affected as well, but because your country has made a lot of progress. Here's hoping.

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Why did I vote for Trump? Simple. He is the lesser of two evils. If Clinton won,it would basically be a 3rd term for Obama. And let me point out something. Trump has not taken office yet and you are hating on him without letting him even do the job. Hypocritical much? And before you point out what I said earlier,it is well known that Clinton was going to continue Obama's policies.

I agree that climate change is real. I remember when we would get serious snowfalls when I was a kid. Now you barely get any where I live. I know the sea levels are rising. What can the lay person do about it,Faded? Tell me,I would love to know and then skewer you on each point.

Gun control laws limit the average person's ability to defend themselves. More gun laws make it tougher to get a gun. A criminal will not buy a gun from a legal place,he would get it illegally or ply his trade in gun free zones. Why? Gun laws makes a criminal's job safer,you dipstick.

We need a return to old fashioned values. We need some backbone pounded into us. We need to ban so called "safe spaces". I would love to be able to have those values again. Who says we would give up social reforms?

As for Clinton,she is a pathetic excuse of a human being. Let me ask you a question: If you were at work and you did something against company policy,without expressed verbal or written permission,what would happen to you? Answer: You would be punished. She used a private email account,which was NOT secure,instead of a government account. That was against policy. She should be punished for that.

As for Benghazi,she knew about the danger and did nothing. Good men and women died because of her ignorance.

Christ,grow a backbone,Faded. If you do not like what he said,IGNORE it. It is easy. We all say off color jokes and joke about the opposite gender. The world is not a safe space. Do you really think your precious Clinton cares for the ones that are poor? No. She only cares about herself and her cronies.

We have been screwed over by Obama for 8 years. Now we have an opportunity for a change. If you do not like it,feel free to move to another country. I will help you pack.
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Why did I vote for Trump? Simple. He is the lesser of two evils. If Clinton won,it would basically be a 3rd term for Obama. And let me point out something. Trump has not taken office yet and you are hating on him without letting him even do the job. Hypocritical much? And before you point out what I said earlier,it is well known that Clinton was going to continue Obama's policies.

I agree that climate change is real. I remember when we would get serious snowfalls when I was a kid. Now you barely get any where I live. I know the sea levels are rising. What can the lay person do about it,Faded? Tell me,I would love to know and then skewer you on each point.

Gun control laws limit the average person's ability to defend themselves. More gun laws make it tougher to get a gun. A criminal will not buy a gun from a legal place,he would get it illegally or ply his trade in gun free zones. Why? Gun laws makes a criminal's job safer,you dipstick.

We need a return to old fashioned values. We need some backbone pounded into us. We need to ban so called "safe spaces". I would love to be able to have those values again. Who says we would give up social reforms?

As for Clinton,she is a pathetic excuse of a human being. Let me ask you a question: If you were at work and you did something against company policy,without expressed verbal or written permission,what would happen to you? Answer: You would be punished. She used a private email account,which was NOT secure,instead of a government account. That was against policy. She should be punished for that.

As for Benghazi,she knew about the danger and did nothing. Good men and women died because of her ignorance.

Christ,grow a backbone,Faded. If you do not like what he said,IGNORE it. It is easy. We all say off color jokes and joke about the opposite gender. The world is not a safe space. Do you really think your precious Clinton cares for the ones that are poor? No. She only cares about herself and her cronies.

We have been screwed over by Obama for 8 years. Now we have an opportunity for a change. If you do not like it,feel free to move to another country. I will help you pack.
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Oldschool777 : A large part of your argument against Clinton comes from the idea that it'd be "4 more years of Obama," and then you state that Obama has been screwing us over for 8 years. In what ways, specifically, has Obama been screwing us over?
Oldschool777 : A large part of your argument against Clinton comes from the idea that it'd be "4 more years of Obama," and then you state that Obama has been screwing us over for 8 years. In what ways, specifically, has Obama been screwing us over?
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Because I didn't have the time to reply back last night I'll do it today.

There are multiple reasons why Hillary lost and multiple reasons why people were against Hillary in the first place.    If you don't believe me you can look these up for yourselves.


1. The Bernie Sanders Debacle 
So before I wanted Jill Stein to win, I was actually thoroughly supporting Bernie Sanders.  The dude had great ideas, and He potentially had enough support to take down Donald J trump.

All of a sudden Bernie Sanders dropped out of the Presidential Race and that didn't sit well with people,  even I was wondering"Wait he has tons of people behind him, why would he just drop out like that?"

To make matters even worse for Clinton's Campaign.  Bernie did in fact try to get people to support her,  but people weren't convinced she was the right one to go with especially considering how suspicious that someone like Bernie Sanders(Who was running against and was ahead of Hillary and Trump at the time)  Just now started to support Hillary.   Most of the Bernie Sanders supporters didn't agree with this decision, so they either voted for Trump or a 3rd Presidential Candidate.

And to further prove this isn't a theory,  Most of the Clinton supporters out there have either blamed Russia or Bernie sanders himself. 

TL;DR Hillary was relying on Bernie Sander's Endorsement and it backfired.

2. Wikileaks:
To say the least, Wikileaks gave Hillary a lot of trouble in the election.  
Wikileaks dropped a lot of News regarding old Hillary and to said the least none of it sounded good for people trusting her.


3.  Hillary wanted to go war with Russia.
If you've been listening to the Public media(don't worry I'll get to that)   You'll know that Hillary has been blaming alot of stuff and alot of issues on "Russian hackers"   However most sites confirmed it wasn't the Russian government, it was just a standard hacker. 


This didn't stop Hillary however, she kept pressing on and on. Meaning that if she became president, war against Russia would be imminent and people didn't want that.

4.  People didn't take Trump seriously.
So according to the Public Media, last night people were Protesting against Donald J Trump after he shockingly won the Election. 
No I'm not making this stuff up, some people on twitter have actually admitted they should've protested against trump instead of laughing him off.
To further prove this point home; most people said Trump's election win is"Shocking" the word "Shocking" literally meant that people didn't see this coming.

5. Trump was really the only option in the Republican party.
Yes there were other options back early on in the presidential race such as Ted Cruz and others, but the fact is even with those guys; Donald Trump was miles ahead of them.

To make matters worse,  Ted Cruz and everyone else running on the Republican side eventually dropped out making Trump the ideal option on this matter.



6.  Social Media.
Thanks to Numerous Wikileaks and Social media themselves,  We know it's fairly obvious that Hillary was paying them to make her look good.

The idea was that Hillary would also make Trump look good, and then make Trump look bad down the road to ensure that she would take him down.

To say the least, a lot of people weren't buying into the Social Media's nonsense and helping Trump look good probably played a big factor in getting him elected.

GG Hillary.

7. People probably didn't want Trump, but they definitely said no to Hillary:

As stated before by people like Geeo and others, Trumps US election win comes off as people not wanting Hillary in office.

By people voting Trump, it wasn't a big factor and it didn't seem likely that people were all confident in Trump's abilities to lead. But the fact is they used him as a way to keep Hillary out.




Truth be told: I still don't get why people are complaining about this stuff Last minute,  I understand Trump may not be the best option but you had November 8th to vote; and the people made their decision at that time.

So really despite people hating Trump, nothing can be done for this matter until the next 4 years.



Because I didn't have the time to reply back last night I'll do it today.

There are multiple reasons why Hillary lost and multiple reasons why people were against Hillary in the first place.    If you don't believe me you can look these up for yourselves.


1. The Bernie Sanders Debacle 
So before I wanted Jill Stein to win, I was actually thoroughly supporting Bernie Sanders.  The dude had great ideas, and He potentially had enough support to take down Donald J trump.

All of a sudden Bernie Sanders dropped out of the Presidential Race and that didn't sit well with people,  even I was wondering"Wait he has tons of people behind him, why would he just drop out like that?"

To make matters even worse for Clinton's Campaign.  Bernie did in fact try to get people to support her,  but people weren't convinced she was the right one to go with especially considering how suspicious that someone like Bernie Sanders(Who was running against and was ahead of Hillary and Trump at the time)  Just now started to support Hillary.   Most of the Bernie Sanders supporters didn't agree with this decision, so they either voted for Trump or a 3rd Presidential Candidate.

And to further prove this isn't a theory,  Most of the Clinton supporters out there have either blamed Russia or Bernie sanders himself. 

TL;DR Hillary was relying on Bernie Sander's Endorsement and it backfired.

2. Wikileaks:
To say the least, Wikileaks gave Hillary a lot of trouble in the election.  
Wikileaks dropped a lot of News regarding old Hillary and to said the least none of it sounded good for people trusting her.


3.  Hillary wanted to go war with Russia.
If you've been listening to the Public media(don't worry I'll get to that)   You'll know that Hillary has been blaming alot of stuff and alot of issues on "Russian hackers"   However most sites confirmed it wasn't the Russian government, it was just a standard hacker. 


This didn't stop Hillary however, she kept pressing on and on. Meaning that if she became president, war against Russia would be imminent and people didn't want that.

4.  People didn't take Trump seriously.
So according to the Public Media, last night people were Protesting against Donald J Trump after he shockingly won the Election. 
No I'm not making this stuff up, some people on twitter have actually admitted they should've protested against trump instead of laughing him off.
To further prove this point home; most people said Trump's election win is"Shocking" the word "Shocking" literally meant that people didn't see this coming.

5. Trump was really the only option in the Republican party.
Yes there were other options back early on in the presidential race such as Ted Cruz and others, but the fact is even with those guys; Donald Trump was miles ahead of them.

To make matters worse,  Ted Cruz and everyone else running on the Republican side eventually dropped out making Trump the ideal option on this matter.



6.  Social Media.
Thanks to Numerous Wikileaks and Social media themselves,  We know it's fairly obvious that Hillary was paying them to make her look good.

The idea was that Hillary would also make Trump look good, and then make Trump look bad down the road to ensure that she would take him down.

To say the least, a lot of people weren't buying into the Social Media's nonsense and helping Trump look good probably played a big factor in getting him elected.

GG Hillary.

7. People probably didn't want Trump, but they definitely said no to Hillary:

As stated before by people like Geeo and others, Trumps US election win comes off as people not wanting Hillary in office.

By people voting Trump, it wasn't a big factor and it didn't seem likely that people were all confident in Trump's abilities to lead. But the fact is they used him as a way to keep Hillary out.




Truth be told: I still don't get why people are complaining about this stuff Last minute,  I understand Trump may not be the best option but you had November 8th to vote; and the people made their decision at that time.

So really despite people hating Trump, nothing can be done for this matter until the next 4 years.



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EX Palen :  It seems to be a common occurrence lately, the most hated candidate becomes the leader- Venezuela, Egypt, US, and even Puerto Rico and they are not even a State or a Country. It's just remarkable to see how far apart we're growing from the people because the media wants to divide us with topics that do not matter when it comes to our government (race, religion, sexual preferences) none of those should be involved in our economy or the way we are governed. Yet, it is the main reason behind how people choose to vote. If that continues then, we're easily manipulated and controlled because how we allow our emotions to govern our own decisions. 



TheFadedWarrior I've been angry since those two became our candidates. Nothing we can do now but, accept that he won and hope that orange peel does not destroy us the way he has destroyed his businesses and reputation. If he does, at the very least, I'll have some pleasure at seeing those who voted for him eat their words. If he does succeed, I'd say I've never been happier  to be proven wrong. Other than that, we just got to see this one unfold. Sadly.
EX Palen :  It seems to be a common occurrence lately, the most hated candidate becomes the leader- Venezuela, Egypt, US, and even Puerto Rico and they are not even a State or a Country. It's just remarkable to see how far apart we're growing from the people because the media wants to divide us with topics that do not matter when it comes to our government (race, religion, sexual preferences) none of those should be involved in our economy or the way we are governed. Yet, it is the main reason behind how people choose to vote. If that continues then, we're easily manipulated and controlled because how we allow our emotions to govern our own decisions. 



TheFadedWarrior I've been angry since those two became our candidates. Nothing we can do now but, accept that he won and hope that orange peel does not destroy us the way he has destroyed his businesses and reputation. If he does, at the very least, I'll have some pleasure at seeing those who voted for him eat their words. If he does succeed, I'd say I've never been happier  to be proven wrong. Other than that, we just got to see this one unfold. Sadly.
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Obama care for one. The fact that our military has gotten involved in conflicts that we did not have to. Cuts in defense spending. Unneeded social programs like Obama Phones. The fact that he has basically tried to circumvent the Constitution numerous times. Most mass shootings happened under HIS watch. The fact that we have more Islam and Islam related crimes.
Obama care for one. The fact that our military has gotten involved in conflicts that we did not have to. Cuts in defense spending. Unneeded social programs like Obama Phones. The fact that he has basically tried to circumvent the Constitution numerous times. Most mass shootings happened under HIS watch. The fact that we have more Islam and Islam related crimes.
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Oldschool777 : I don't understand the whole hatred for Obamacare. It's helping people out that not that fortunate money wise.

Yeah, I guess Obama got involved in some conflicts, but what American president hasn't done that. That's really been an American theme since WWII. Last time I checked, Obama didn't start the war on Iraq, he actually ended it. Obama wasn't the one who snooped around in the Middle East looking for WMDs. I can name a few conflicts like the Vietnam War and the Korean War that the US had no business getting into, besides the attempt at stopping communism. Obama's terms have been rather peaceful with outside nations compared to previous presidents. When has Obama tried to circumvent the Constitution? Did he threaten to stop immigration from a whole country from the Middle East? Did he try to keep an entire religion out of the country???

Wait wait wait, most mass shootings happened under his watch??? I didn't know Obama was Robocop?!?! That's simply not the case. The Columbine school shooting, Wedgewood Baptist Church shooting, Red Lake school shooting, Seattle massacre, and a few others did not happen under Obama's presidency. Maybe these events didn't receive as much attention and coverage because the media is more advanced than it was 10 years ago.

"The fact that we have more Islam and Islam related crimes" How is having more Islam a problem? It's not going to take away your home, it's not going to get you fired. Your point about having more Islam related crimes is not exactly true either. Before ISIS, we had Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda. 9/11 was a pretty big deal, and it happened 7 years before Obama took office. Most of the "Islam related attacks" in recent years have happened in countries outside of the US, so how can you even pin the blame on Obama for that???


Oldschool777 : I don't understand the whole hatred for Obamacare. It's helping people out that not that fortunate money wise.

Yeah, I guess Obama got involved in some conflicts, but what American president hasn't done that. That's really been an American theme since WWII. Last time I checked, Obama didn't start the war on Iraq, he actually ended it. Obama wasn't the one who snooped around in the Middle East looking for WMDs. I can name a few conflicts like the Vietnam War and the Korean War that the US had no business getting into, besides the attempt at stopping communism. Obama's terms have been rather peaceful with outside nations compared to previous presidents. When has Obama tried to circumvent the Constitution? Did he threaten to stop immigration from a whole country from the Middle East? Did he try to keep an entire religion out of the country???

Wait wait wait, most mass shootings happened under his watch??? I didn't know Obama was Robocop?!?! That's simply not the case. The Columbine school shooting, Wedgewood Baptist Church shooting, Red Lake school shooting, Seattle massacre, and a few others did not happen under Obama's presidency. Maybe these events didn't receive as much attention and coverage because the media is more advanced than it was 10 years ago.

"The fact that we have more Islam and Islam related crimes" How is having more Islam a problem? It's not going to take away your home, it's not going to get you fired. Your point about having more Islam related crimes is not exactly true either. Before ISIS, we had Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda. 9/11 was a pretty big deal, and it happened 7 years before Obama took office. Most of the "Islam related attacks" in recent years have happened in countries outside of the US, so how can you even pin the blame on Obama for that???


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My biggest hatred for it is that is FORCED healthcare and that it is a flawed package all around. I agree with the intent,but not the execution.

WW2 was because Germany and Japan threatened to take over the world. We got involved because we were attacked. No,we have a bigger problem with the ISIS and ISIS related rats that running around in that litterbox. The reason we got into Vietnam was because of Communism. At the time,we would have helped anyone,as long as they were not Communist. You are right,we probably should have left that alone. Gun control time and time again. And doing other things because he wanted them.

Let us see,San Bernadino for one. Dallas for another. Sandy Hook. The Freeway killings. Those were under his watch. Yes,a lot of the killings were done with legal to own weapons. But if the FBI had done their jobs,a lot of those would have been prevented. If the guard at the school was armed,he could have stopped the shooter.

Other than it is a splinter religion based on ignorance and hate? Look at all the crimes that happened and ISIS or some other splinter group was involved somehow. Now if we actually had a President that was willing to do what was needed,dropping a neutron bomb on that whole accursed region,they would be no more. Okay,maybe that is a little much. They have been killing each other in that litterbox for 5000 years. We would be doing them a favor by wiping them out.
My biggest hatred for it is that is FORCED healthcare and that it is a flawed package all around. I agree with the intent,but not the execution.

WW2 was because Germany and Japan threatened to take over the world. We got involved because we were attacked. No,we have a bigger problem with the ISIS and ISIS related rats that running around in that litterbox. The reason we got into Vietnam was because of Communism. At the time,we would have helped anyone,as long as they were not Communist. You are right,we probably should have left that alone. Gun control time and time again. And doing other things because he wanted them.

Let us see,San Bernadino for one. Dallas for another. Sandy Hook. The Freeway killings. Those were under his watch. Yes,a lot of the killings were done with legal to own weapons. But if the FBI had done their jobs,a lot of those would have been prevented. If the guard at the school was armed,he could have stopped the shooter.

Other than it is a splinter religion based on ignorance and hate? Look at all the crimes that happened and ISIS or some other splinter group was involved somehow. Now if we actually had a President that was willing to do what was needed,dropping a neutron bomb on that whole accursed region,they would be no more. Okay,maybe that is a little much. They have been killing each other in that litterbox for 5000 years. We would be doing them a favor by wiping them out.
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Oldschool777 : Alright, I understand your point about healthcare and it's a valid claim, but I still disagree, no offense.

I know why we got involved in WWII, and I think that was the right decision. In my post I said "since WWII" which was me implying after WWII, but I guess I could have been more clear about that.

As the president, you can only do so much. When you have such a large country, how can you guarantee the safety of all people at all times? " But if the FBI had done their jobs,a lot of those would have been prevented." You even said that the FBI didn't do their job. How is Obama to blame for this??? He doesn't have 100% control over their mind and actions. If a person wants to kill, they are going to go to great lengths to achieve their goal.

Islam is not based on ignorance and hate. More like Islam's hater's arguments are based on ignorance and hate. It still saddens me to hear how Muslims are labeled by the actions of a few radicals. I guess some other country could say the same thing about us. Why not drop bombs on America?? With all the racial tension and cold acts of sheer hatred and violence, "they'd be doing us a favor by wiping us out". If you were born into a Muslim household in a violence stricken place in the Middle East, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want a bomb dropped on you, even though you were leading a normal, peaceful life.

I agree that ISIS in Syria and Iraq needs to be taken care of, but how many innocent lives are we going to claim if we did something so massive, such as a bomb.
Oldschool777 : Alright, I understand your point about healthcare and it's a valid claim, but I still disagree, no offense.

I know why we got involved in WWII, and I think that was the right decision. In my post I said "since WWII" which was me implying after WWII, but I guess I could have been more clear about that.

As the president, you can only do so much. When you have such a large country, how can you guarantee the safety of all people at all times? " But if the FBI had done their jobs,a lot of those would have been prevented." You even said that the FBI didn't do their job. How is Obama to blame for this??? He doesn't have 100% control over their mind and actions. If a person wants to kill, they are going to go to great lengths to achieve their goal.

Islam is not based on ignorance and hate. More like Islam's hater's arguments are based on ignorance and hate. It still saddens me to hear how Muslims are labeled by the actions of a few radicals. I guess some other country could say the same thing about us. Why not drop bombs on America?? With all the racial tension and cold acts of sheer hatred and violence, "they'd be doing us a favor by wiping us out". If you were born into a Muslim household in a violence stricken place in the Middle East, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want a bomb dropped on you, even though you were leading a normal, peaceful life.

I agree that ISIS in Syria and Iraq needs to be taken care of, but how many innocent lives are we going to claim if we did something so massive, such as a bomb.
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None taken. But it should never be forced. That is one of our founding truths,is freedom of choice.

I agree,a President can only do so much. But,he could have leaned on them and forced them to do their jobs. There were times the FBI had knowledge of an attack and they allowed it to happen. I know you cannot prevent every single attack,but you can make it harder and if a claim that someone is going to buy a weapon and there is significant cause for concern,you investigate and neutralize it.

Islam and Muslim are two different things. Get it right. We are not the ones sending savages into other countries to commit acts of terror. Like I said,maybe it is a bit much. I know there are good Muslim people out there,but let us face it,every time you turn around another terrorist attack occurs,by some ISIS or an idiot brainwashed by them.

Like I said,they have been killing each other for 5000 years. Sometimes you need to start over. Religion is the biggest cause of wars and strife.
None taken. But it should never be forced. That is one of our founding truths,is freedom of choice.

I agree,a President can only do so much. But,he could have leaned on them and forced them to do their jobs. There were times the FBI had knowledge of an attack and they allowed it to happen. I know you cannot prevent every single attack,but you can make it harder and if a claim that someone is going to buy a weapon and there is significant cause for concern,you investigate and neutralize it.

Islam and Muslim are two different things. Get it right. We are not the ones sending savages into other countries to commit acts of terror. Like I said,maybe it is a bit much. I know there are good Muslim people out there,but let us face it,every time you turn around another terrorist attack occurs,by some ISIS or an idiot brainwashed by them.

Like I said,they have been killing each other for 5000 years. Sometimes you need to start over. Religion is the biggest cause of wars and strife.
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Oldschool777 : Yeah I guess he could have made it harder or whatever for the attacks to happen.

I don't know if you meant they're different religions, but I'm gonna try to explain it anyways. Islam is name of the religion, and it means submission to God. A Muslim is a follower of Islam. It's basically like Christianity's followers are called Christians.

ISIS is really bad, but I mean they aren't the only ones committing acts of terrorism and killing people. More people are killed every day within our own country, but these acts go unnoticed because nothing gets you headlines like "Muslim bombs building" or "ISIS attack in Paris" or whatever it maybe.
Oldschool777 : Yeah I guess he could have made it harder or whatever for the attacks to happen.

I don't know if you meant they're different religions, but I'm gonna try to explain it anyways. Islam is name of the religion, and it means submission to God. A Muslim is a follower of Islam. It's basically like Christianity's followers are called Christians.

ISIS is really bad, but I mean they aren't the only ones committing acts of terrorism and killing people. More people are killed every day within our own country, but these acts go unnoticed because nothing gets you headlines like "Muslim bombs building" or "ISIS attack in Paris" or whatever it maybe.
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Different things,RDay,not different religions. But I have heard there are verses in the Koran that allow for the destruction of non believers.

That is just regular people being stupid. People killing each other over IPhones or whatever. Crime has always existed.

To paraphrase Trump:"The election is over,the choice was made. Let us come together whether you are Republican,Democrat,Independent,or Green Party and make America great again."

Let us see what Trump does,before he we hate him. And if worse comes to worse,we can vote him out in 4 years.
Different things,RDay,not different religions. But I have heard there are verses in the Koran that allow for the destruction of non believers.

That is just regular people being stupid. People killing each other over IPhones or whatever. Crime has always existed.

To paraphrase Trump:"The election is over,the choice was made. Let us come together whether you are Republican,Democrat,Independent,or Green Party and make America great again."

Let us see what Trump does,before he we hate him. And if worse comes to worse,we can vote him out in 4 years.
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Most people did not vote for Trump because they considered him a good candidate for president. Most did so because they consider him to be a less unsuitable candidate than Clinton which is the same reason many voted for her (out of a hatred of Trump). They are both two of the most hated candidates ever. With that in consideration there are several reasons for why people may prefer a Trump presidency. For one Clinton is a flip flopper who constantly changes her stance on issues based on what the majority seems to think ( ongay marriage for instance) and she has made several bad decisions in the past. Like being for the iraq war. Which aside from implying that she is a bad decision maker also really hurts her integrity. Especially when she now claim to be a champion for women and LBTQ rights.

Now I'm not saying that makes Trump a better alternative, I'm just trying to give a broader perspective here. I slightly favor Clinton because I'm much more in line with her current policies than Trump. As we've seen in the past though her stances are subject to change and I do not consider her a better person nor a better leader regardless. For all his faults like his questionable moral character, and flat out lying about statistics to support his arguments,Trump does have some things going for him. He is very steadfast in his core beliefs and I would definitely consider him more of a leader figure than Clinton (though that's not saying too much).

I think another huge factor in why people voted for him is because he is not part of the establishment. Many people see that as what is wrong with the US political system today and Hillary is essentially the most pro establishment candidate you can get. So electing her would in the eyes of many people, ensure that there will never be any change. Openly taking donations from huge corporations and having even worked as as a lobbyist for them in the past (which is another point of hatred towards her). From what I understand while they may find his policies questionable they want Washington to realize that someone not part of that can actually win. Which also adds to this whole air of insincerity Hillary Clinton has about her.

While voting for him would be bad in the short term it would in theory make coming elections actually reflect the opinions of the people more as establishment candidate would have to take this into consideration if they don't want to lose grip. In other words it wouldn't be an election that is about "the lesser of two evils". Though personally I don't think that person being Trump says too much since he still has lots of money, power and fame. Which really shows that, yes you can be president if you're not part of the establishment as long as you have all those things. Sanders winning would've sent a better more direct message in my view.

Either way there are of course some who really buy into everything he's saying but they are a much smaller percentage of voters than you would think. Had Bernie Sanders in stead made it to the presidential race, then I think we could've seen a much different outcome. Because despite being so radically different in their policies they are both symbols of the anti establishment and thus appeal to the same crowd in a lot of ways. Not to mention that while some dislike his views or him to some extent he isn't really hated in the same way Trump and Clinton are. He would essentially directly counter a lot of what made Trump appealing.

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While I think you made some good points, saying "stop listening to the major news networks" serves to do little but look as an excuse to automatically refute any argument that could be defending Clinton. He didn't actually say that's where he got his information from, so I feel like you are jumping to conclusions. If you feel like what he's saying is false, then I would take the time to actually explain why that is in stead of just dismissing it by saying that then offering no alternative. It makes that person less likely to listen to you and all in all makes you look biased yourselves.

RDay13 : Perhaps I can explain the widespread resistance to Obamacare better. Obamacare was a good concept with poor execution. It did help some people but at the same time many people who it was supposed to help can't take advantage of it.  In many ways it has actually made things worse by increasing the cost of insurance and forcing people to jump through several hoops to get the care they need. It's a flawed system that costs a lot in relation to the amount of people it actually helps and that's why it's so hated even by people who might've initially supported it. I personally think a single payer system like that Bernie Sanders suggested would've been a much better solution. 
Most people did not vote for Trump because they considered him a good candidate for president. Most did so because they consider him to be a less unsuitable candidate than Clinton which is the same reason many voted for her (out of a hatred of Trump). They are both two of the most hated candidates ever. With that in consideration there are several reasons for why people may prefer a Trump presidency. For one Clinton is a flip flopper who constantly changes her stance on issues based on what the majority seems to think ( ongay marriage for instance) and she has made several bad decisions in the past. Like being for the iraq war. Which aside from implying that she is a bad decision maker also really hurts her integrity. Especially when she now claim to be a champion for women and LBTQ rights.

Now I'm not saying that makes Trump a better alternative, I'm just trying to give a broader perspective here. I slightly favor Clinton because I'm much more in line with her current policies than Trump. As we've seen in the past though her stances are subject to change and I do not consider her a better person nor a better leader regardless. For all his faults like his questionable moral character, and flat out lying about statistics to support his arguments,Trump does have some things going for him. He is very steadfast in his core beliefs and I would definitely consider him more of a leader figure than Clinton (though that's not saying too much).

I think another huge factor in why people voted for him is because he is not part of the establishment. Many people see that as what is wrong with the US political system today and Hillary is essentially the most pro establishment candidate you can get. So electing her would in the eyes of many people, ensure that there will never be any change. Openly taking donations from huge corporations and having even worked as as a lobbyist for them in the past (which is another point of hatred towards her). From what I understand while they may find his policies questionable they want Washington to realize that someone not part of that can actually win. Which also adds to this whole air of insincerity Hillary Clinton has about her.

While voting for him would be bad in the short term it would in theory make coming elections actually reflect the opinions of the people more as establishment candidate would have to take this into consideration if they don't want to lose grip. In other words it wouldn't be an election that is about "the lesser of two evils". Though personally I don't think that person being Trump says too much since he still has lots of money, power and fame. Which really shows that, yes you can be president if you're not part of the establishment as long as you have all those things. Sanders winning would've sent a better more direct message in my view.

Either way there are of course some who really buy into everything he's saying but they are a much smaller percentage of voters than you would think. Had Bernie Sanders in stead made it to the presidential race, then I think we could've seen a much different outcome. Because despite being so radically different in their policies they are both symbols of the anti establishment and thus appeal to the same crowd in a lot of ways. Not to mention that while some dislike his views or him to some extent he isn't really hated in the same way Trump and Clinton are. He would essentially directly counter a lot of what made Trump appealing.

geeogree :
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While I think you made some good points, saying "stop listening to the major news networks" serves to do little but look as an excuse to automatically refute any argument that could be defending Clinton. He didn't actually say that's where he got his information from, so I feel like you are jumping to conclusions. If you feel like what he's saying is false, then I would take the time to actually explain why that is in stead of just dismissing it by saying that then offering no alternative. It makes that person less likely to listen to you and all in all makes you look biased yourselves.

RDay13 : Perhaps I can explain the widespread resistance to Obamacare better. Obamacare was a good concept with poor execution. It did help some people but at the same time many people who it was supposed to help can't take advantage of it.  In many ways it has actually made things worse by increasing the cost of insurance and forcing people to jump through several hoops to get the care they need. It's a flawed system that costs a lot in relation to the amount of people it actually helps and that's why it's so hated even by people who might've initially supported it. I personally think a single payer system like that Bernie Sanders suggested would've been a much better solution. 
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