What do you think is the weakest Pokemon to come out of the hoenn region? Think hard on it because there are a lot of pokemon in the Hoenn region so give what you think is the weakest. 

I honestly think Shedninja is. Sure it's ability wonder guard is great but other than that it has a lot of things super effective to it also. Shedninja is a Bug and Ghost type Pokemon. These are all the things that are super effective to it. Fire, Flying, Rock, Ghost, Dark. So using it is pointless because some of these are what people use in their parties anyways. I mainly use dark, fire, and flying. Dark because it's my favorite type, Flying because there are some good flying types and I need to fly around the region, and Fire because they're some pretty good fire type Pokemon out there.

Please don't spam, and don't judge others opinions.

Luvdisc has virtually no strategies going for it, and the stats that it has pale in comparison to many of the other water types in Hoenn, even some of the pre-evolutions of the other Pokémon have a higher BST than Luvdisc. One of the redeeming factors about it is the speed, but with incredibly bad numbers in all other areas, you can barely use it in competitive play.

Lotad. Weeeaaaakkkk until it evolves, and then it's well below average. Ludicolo is okay.

   Usually, a weak Pokémon can be forgiven if it evolves into a better Pokémon, like Magikarp, or Pidgey. However, Luvdisc and Castform don't have stats to impress, or evolutions to improve on what they can do. However, Luvdisc is basically a slight upgrade of a Magikarp, now with moves. Horrible stats, no evolution, and not even an interesting gimmick. It's a totally useless Pokémon, and I'd say that it is the weakest Pokémon to come out of Hoenn, with how the only reason to have one is to fill the Pokédex.

I agree with Patar. Most Pokémon can evolve in something decent. Wurmple for example can evolve into Dustox or Beautiful. Both are decent and at least better than Luvdisc.

Luvdisc has no great movepool at all. If you level up a Luvdisc in the original RSE, it only learns one Water move and that's a weak one. Sure it does learn Attract, Charm and Sweet Kiss, all of them are useful but not for Luvdisc. Luvdisc's defense is terrible so there is no point of using Charm against something else. Attract and Sweet Kiss are both moves that aren't reliable.

Luvdisc only has some good speed, that's it. There is no point of using it in your main playthrough. I still don't get it why Luvdisc doesn't evolve into Alomomola. I think Luvdisc deserves some more love, like getting a Mega Evolution. Oh yeah, Luvdisc might be useful for getting Heart Scales.

TornadoMudkip : I use to think Luvdisc evolved into Alomomola, it is pretty stupid that it doesn't.

Obviously Luvdisc and Castform are one of the weakest Pokémon from the Hoenn region. But I'm going to go on ahead and say Spinda. I didn't see how it could be used back in Gen III. All of it's stats are a base of 60, that alone is not good to work with. Not being able to evolve doesn't help it's case. Spinda mostly learns normal moves which is not very diverse at all. Sure it learns Feint Attack and Psybeam but with the stats the way it is, even if the hit is super effective it wouldn't do much damage.

Trick Room didn't even exist yet so the strategies that revolve around it is out of the question. Spinda is just a horrible Pokémon even after Gen III it's stats will always slow it down to it's inevitable doom.

cnw64 : Don't look down on adamant- choice band-  contrary-  superpower-  spinda

I absolutely hate Masquerain. It's pointless. Horrible stats, horrible movepool, horrible typing, etc. It's so irrelevant, I didn't even know it existed until I played a randomizer. And even there it was just bad.

Furret : I was manly talking about Spinda in Gen III. Besides, Spinda couldn't learn SuperPower in Gen III.  SuperPower was a dreamworld exclusive unless it's able to learn it from a tutor in ORAS now? I am already aware of that strategy. What is Spinda without choice band and contrary ? Are there other strategies that I do not know of ?

cnw64 : Thunder wave- Smelling Salts?

Furret :   I don't know how effective that is but I guess that could work. I still think Spinda is weak though. xD

Edit: Furret you sneak .. lol

Spinda is the weakest. That thing is so useless. Anyone who uses it loses because it's a weak and pathetic thing. I've never hated a pokemon as much as Spinda the Panda FAIL!

Without a doubt, I'd say that the weakest Pokemon to come out of the Hoenn region would have to be Luvdisc. Not only do I think it's the weakest pokemon from the Hoenn region, I also think it's the worst Pokemon in the entire series. It has terrible stats, a horrible moveset, and it's just a tiny heart. I honestly don't get why this awful pokemon was made in the first place. It's completely useless.

Although the majority of average/weak pokemon can evolve into something somewhat viable, I still think that there are quite a few pokemon with subpar stats and overall usage. Frome Hoenn, Linoone, Luvdisc, and Pelipper are some great examples. Illumise and Volbeat are also pretty weak as well. 

Most of the pokemon I've listed above either have average to below average stats and don't really have a strong competitive gameplay. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they were all in the NU tier unless one of them has an absurdly overpowered secret strategy. 

Yeah my vote would go either to either Feebas or Luvdisc just purely based on the Pokemon itself, if you consider the fact that Feebas can actually evolve into something decent, namely Milotic though. I would definietly say Luvdisc, low base stat total, pretty bad movepool, stupid design IMO, pretty much the only useful things is they could be used to get heart scales.

Alomola really should've been a luvdisc evolution.

While Castform at least has some interesting movesets (even if it doesn't have the stats to fully make use of them), Luvdisc, Plusle and Minun really don't.

Shedinja can only be affected by five types of attacks out of the 18 possible, so while it may be weak, it can still be invincible in certain areas of the game.

In my opinion, the top 3 should be Pelipper, for such low base attack, Breloom, its unusual type combination gives it a lot of weaknesses, and Masquerain, for a combination of low stats and typing.

I prefer not to talk about Pokemon with no evolution, even if said evolution was introduced later on, basically because I rarely use them and I can't have a solid opinion about them.

If you go by pure base stats, Feebas is the weakest for Hoenn. It has a total base score of 200. The TBS should be a pretty good indicator of overall strength since max numbers are randomly messed with by natures. 

There is also something to be said of a Pokémon that may be knocked out by a single hit from the non damaging Poison Gas or any bout of the confused state induced by a faster enemy. I speak about Shedinja of course. While its high attack is admirable, it does not quite make up for the major defensive liability of having only one hit point. Shedinja has a total base score of 236.

I do not know why people keep saying Luvdisc. It has a total base score of 330. It may not be the strongest or have the most impressive stats but that doesn't make it the absolute weakest. Remember that the question to answer is "What do you think is the weakest Pokémon to come out of the Hoenn region?" Asking people to ring in by naming any Pokémon that is not the strongest is another thread.

Spinda has a total base score of 360. Not the weakest. Enough said about that.

If you just think of each Pokémon itself at level 100 as it is with simply the attacks it learned by level up, Feebas will for sure be the weakest Hoenn Pokémon... in attack power. Shedinja will, however, fall behind in the stat gains because their hit points category will remain represented by the singular integer while Feebas, Luvdisc and Spinda will have each gained hundreds of HP.

Defensively, Shedinja is the weakest because it cannot take a hit.

 P3

Postman3 : You shouldn't judge by stats alone.

A lot of factors come into play when judging the strength of pokemon.
Movepool; abilities; stats; potential evolution, just to name a few. 

Feebas is actually pretty good. It gets access to adaptability and can learn some powerful moves like surf, ice beam and dragon pulse, which is much better than some other basic pokemon. It also has the potential to evolve into milotic, so while it itself may not be the best, it can change into something better.

Shedinja is also good. While it may fall to anything that can hit it super effectively or with a status infliction, it has the potential to be invincible when facing a lot of pokemon. It doesn't need good stats asides from attack and maybe speed. You could give it a lower base stat total than feebas by decreasing its defenses to a base total of 1 and it wouldn't change anything.

You're also forgetting the most important factor. Personal experience.

Some people find spinda the weakest, while others think luvdisc deserves that title. Are they wrong? No. 
They're judging these pokemon based on their own experiences from using them or from facing them in battle.

Some people like myself like to judge from a competitive point of view rather than an in-game point of view. Pokemon like Spinda, Shedinja, Feebas and Luvdisc can actually put in a lot of work if you use the right sets and if you give them some support.

Furret :   Powerful moves are worthless without the strength to make good use of them. So that's irrelevant. For Feebas it is even more so since you would have to obtain something outside of the Pokémon itself to make it worth anything.

The ability of Feebas is practically worthless in most situations since speed means nothing without the power to do anything with it. That's not making the case for it at all.

We are judging by the Pokémon itself so evolution is irrelevant to this discussion as well. If you're speaking of Feebas, don't refer to it as if it already is a Milotic. Feebas and Milotic are two different Pokémon. One does not become the other until you put in the time and effort. They are separate quantities. Potential does not equal strength.

I haven't forgotten personal experience at all, Funny. Personal experience is at best subjective. People lie to themselves when attempting to gauge the value of what they have. The personal experience of anyone is irrelevant too. We can brag about things but that doesn't mean they're worth anything.

The type combinations tell a story about how likely a Pokémon may be defeated under given conditions but every trainer is different. So we have no way of knowing what those conditions will be when we dial up an unknown friend code. The value of type combinations are thus inconsistent, cannot be judged objectively and are then redundant to any argument that speaks of how formidable a single Pokémon is.

Critical hits are irrelevant also. They do not happen consistently. They are a non-factor. An ability which could ward them off would be significant but it would again mean nothing if the Pokémon had little strength. It would faint anyway.

The numbers don't lie. They cannot. They are the only consistent measure that we can quantify. That's why they are the only measure that has any credibility.

The six stats the comprise a Pokémon's power are its strength. They are the key determining factors in how strong or weak it is.

You weren't too far off the mark to mention some of those other things. Moves, abilities, strength(stats), critical hits, type match-ups and trainer tactics all come into play to determine which Pokémon triumphs and which Pokémon falls. You just can't funnel all those other factors in under the flag of strength and tell me your Pokémon is weaker because of its ability or its moves or because the enemy got a critical hit or landed a super-effective attack or you meant to do this instead of that. Those factors say nothing about your Pokémon's strength.

 P3

Rats in my opinion. I remember catching one at level 3 or 5 and it only know growl.