Did any of you here that a recount has been ordered in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania? It is being spearheaded by green party nominee Jill Stein who started the campaign for the $2 million needed on Thanksgiving day. She surpassed that goal Thanksgiving night. Not sure what this will do but feel free to discuss this issue.

I smell a rat. Hilary Clinton. There is no way in hell a failed independent candidate could have raised that much cash for a recount. Why are you really doing this,Stein? Even if Hilary won the popular vote (as surprising as that would be),she lost the Electoral vote. She cannot stand that all her lies and BS blew up in her face.

I think the better questions the Democrats need to ask themselves is: How did we become so out of touch? How did we lose? How can we fix our party?

Yes,I voted for Trump. Go ahead,call me whatever you want. Maybe I and many other Americans wanted a change.

Oldschool777 : To make sure there isn't voter fraud/misplaced votes going on in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania.

The only recount that would matter is the electoral college. If they are doing a recount... I have to say, it's not really going to change much. 

Also, as Oldschool said, "I smell a rat." Hillary Clinton was most likely the driving force behind this... To her I say, just get over it, you lost. What's done is done, better luck next time. etc. 

I did not hear about this. They can do all their re-counts to get Hilary elected but I don't see that happening personally.

Don't get me wrong here though, I don't want Trump as leader of America either.

The whole situation is SNAFU

I think Oldschool and tornadocam hit it on the head.

I don't buy Stein's speech about fairness at all, and frankly I think everyone who voted for her should feel betrayed. They voted for her because she ran as a third party to battle the system, then sold out to it in the end for cash. It's all about money. She needs seven million all of a sudden even though the first state recount will cost less than one million? Who messes up their math so badly as to be off in estimation by five million dollars?

I personally believe she sold out to Hillary.



And Hillary is backing this recount? Hypocrisy, Hillary is thy name.
This woman and her supporters railed on Trump for not saying he would accept the outcome of the election if she won, and now here she is not accepting it despite saying during her campaign that she would accept it if he won and even saying she did after it happened. No, this isn't because they want fairness like Elias is saying, he slipped up and said they had been quietly looking for a reason to challenge the outcome since fright after it ended. That's a legit quote too.
So Hillary says "I accept this. He wins. Congratulations. Now WE OWE IT TO HIM TO GIVE HIM A CHANCE" and all the while she knows that she's sent her workers out to look for ways to overturn it even as she spoke those words. Political alignment or not, anyone with open eyes has to be able to see that she was lying and honestly she was being a hypocrite. Regardless of who one wants to win, we all know hypocrisy and lies when we see them.



As for the recount, it's silly. Jill says "It's been proven the machines are easily hacked" and "we know hacking was going on all over the place" yet the experts on these things say it's highly unlikely it happened, very difficult to do especially on a wide scale, and that we have nothing to really suggest it happened. But hey, let's trust a political candidate with nothing to lose over an expert who has knowledge and years of study and experience to back their words, amirite?


I personally think this was an attempt to tamper with the tallies, but thankfully Trump's administration and the Michigan Republicans are sending people out to watch and make sure it's counted fairly. This is the same garbage we saw the last time a republican beat a member Clinton's crew, so it's not surprising.


Regardless of what one thinks about it, it's common knowledge that this -- if counted fairly and fraud has not occurred since the Clinton administration admits to having been there while the votes post election were finishing up being tallied (which is incidentally when her vote margin jumped from 200,000 to 2,000,000) -- is pointless. There is no way over 100,000 votes were counted wrong. The biggest miscount we've ever recorded was less than 600. This is just cruel to Hillary's supporters, getting their hopes up when even the Clinton administration says it's highly unlikely to make a difference.

Most shocking to me was that Clinton backed this even though Obama said it shouldn't be done and that the outcome (Trump winning) was an accurate representation of the will of the American people.



EDIT: Just checked again. Apparently the Green party is making a habit of challenging Republican presidential election winners. They did this in Bush v. Kerry in 2004 as well. Mayhaps Clinton didn't push her to do not. I still won't rule it out though.

This suddenly makes the green party seem far less third party and "outside of the system" as they portray...

Yeah I heard about this last week from several left leaning youtubers. I was gonna do a thread on this earlier but I'm glad someone did as this is just bizarre but after reading Eirinn's post it might not be that bizarre after all since the Greens have been doing this since at least 2004 which is disappointing as I actually like the Green party in terms of their policies. This recount won't do anything other than show Clinton might have slightly more votes that she apparently didn't have.

Didn't Hillary already concede? How can you win after giving up and saying you lost? That doesn't really make sense to me....

Oldschool777 : Quit saying she didn't win the popular vote. She did. Don't lie to yourself, stop lying to others. Numbers are numbers.

To everyone else, a recount was ordered because they found suspicious statistical anomalies. When electronic ballots were compared with every other ballot, Trump somehow had a 7+ point lead, although the state overall was close to 50/50. This statistical anomaly is absolutely worth exploring.

Stop letting your own monkey bias get in the way of your rational thought.

Eirinn : The phrase "Republicans are sending people out to watch and make sure it's counted fairly" is used by countless fascist regimes. It's called "poll intimidation". When the people of Venezuela go vote, they're surrounded by military, asking them if they really want to vote against the military. Like really really? Then they mark their family as a free target and burn their belongings later. Don't be a fascist. If we become a military state with martial law like Germany in the 1930s (and Hitler was quite popular, btw), I will likely die.

Txgangsta :


Even if she did win the Popular vote, she still didn't win the states that were needed.


The reason Jill Stein wanted this thing to happen is because People told Jill that they voted for her, and yet the polls showed nothing about that.


So Jill is raising money for a recount, because she suspects either Trump or Hillary took some votes from the green party.


Now that's what she said. Whether it's her true intention is anyone's guess at this point.


Everyone else that's supported that fun raiser is probably people who want Trump out. Trump himself already went ahead and called this whole thing a scam. Now as much as Trump maybe hated, I agree with him.


Now. I'm not saying the Green Party is doing it for Hillary, but I won't deny Oldschool and Eirrin's point of view on the whole situation.

Jill Stein ordered the recount after top computer scientists came out and said votes may have been abused (But hacking appears unlikely) which prompted her to initiate the recount.

Txgangsta : With all due respect, that reply...made no sense in context of what I said. I respect your right to disagree, but could you explain how it's fascist or intimidating someone to say that a recount will be watched? It's nothing like asking voters if they're sure they want to vote xyz, as there are no more votes being cast. This is just some people making sure that the vote recount is fair. If it turns up in Clinton's favor, that won't be met with oppression, they just want people they can trust to see it themselves. Surely we can forgive them for not trusting everyone just because they promise to be good. If not, let's condemn the Democrats and Green party for being fascist as well, right? The Democrats are sending people to watch too, and the green party is insisting that people didn't really mean to vote for Trump. That last one sounds closer to what you've described to me.

Txgangsta,they are grasping at straws. All they want to do is whine until someone hands them the keys to the White House. Plain and simple. Trump won by the rules,which is you must have 270 ELECTORAL VOTES to win. And Stein cannot accept it. Now,if this was true,why isn't Clinton spearheading this? Answer: Clinton knows she has no credibility nor favor with anyone except her cronies. So she is using Stein as her puppet.

I've been as anti-Trump as one could possibly be, but you don't see me saying the election was rigged, as much as I hate the way it went.

Yeah Trump seems to me like the natural "bad" guy lol (no offense to any Trump supporters out there), if the election was rigged I doubt he'd come out the victor (unless bribery was involved). 'Personal Opinion'

Abdullahboys : Yeah. I'd rather the US replace the electoral college with the electoral preschool for the 2020 election rather than using the electoral college.

Eirinn : You're assuming the Republicans are not going to abuse the power of "watching". The Nazi party also said that they "watched" votes. It's intimidation, and it's not cool. I don't like bullies. I do not tolerate bullies. I will go to great lengths to make sure bullies are punished. Usually this ends in lots of suffering for me. However, it doesn't really matter. In the end, the bullies will learn or leave. I am only concerned with being constantly virtuous.

Oldschool777 : I'm going to assume that you were drunk when you posted that. Clinton won the popular vote. I didn't say she won the election. Also, your conspiracy theories sound cool, but you have no evidence that Stein is a puppet. Again, I'm going to assume you were drunk. It is more charitable to think that you were simply intoxicated than to believe you really are an ignorant bully. And if you are a bully, I will go out of my way to make sure you are punished, even to my own demise.

Txgangsta : I agree about bullying, and I agree that if they did abuse their power somehow, but I think you're reading too much into this. See, the votes have already been cast. There's no bullying or vote persuading to be done. This is just people watching while someone counts the votes. Besides even if this could somehow be used to change the votes, the democrats and green party will be there as well so they couldn't get away with breaking any laws or persuading the recount.

But again, the votes have already been counted. This is only a recount. There's nothing to tamper with.

Txgangsta,I was going to tell you to pack your bags,renounce your US citizenship,and get the f--k out,but I will be nice. The Democrats are just looking for excuses and loopholes and whining that they lost. They both knew the rules going in,first to 270 votes wins. Now,I used to think to abolish the Electoral College,but I saw that if that was done we would have Commiefornia and New Yuck shoved down our throats,seeing as most of the power and population is based there.

Look,I will agree with you on one thing,there were no candidates that we wanted to have the job. Trump was just the lesser of the two evils. And I will tell you this in case you have forgotten. Trump has not taken office yet. He has not been on the job and people are whining. Give him until his first 100 days before you decide to hate him.

As for the Democrats,instead of them whining about the results,maybe they need to ask the larger questions.

• Why did we lose?
• Are we that out of touch?
• How can we fix our party?