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The prohibition of bullfighting has been invalidated

 

10-05-16 12:37 PM
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Back in 2010, bullfighting was forbidden in Catalonia. As everything, this decision had its followers and its haters, and the latter group elevated an instance to the major court to invalidate such prohibition. As years passed, plans were suggested to reutilize the bullrings. One of them has successfully become a major shopping center in the city, while the other one was mostly abandoned for not being located in such a strategic place.

Today, however, we learned that the court has invalidated the prohibition. The main worry isn't the time they've taken (actually, they've proceeded quite fast), the question is: why would anyone want to invalidate such prohibition? And more importantly, why would the court agree to lift the prohibition?

According to the group that presented the instance, the prohibition violates a few articles from the Spanish polity. Looks like a fair reasoning, but take a look at some of the articles the prohibition technically "violates".

- Freedom of artistic creation: Yes, killing an animal slowly in front of a crowd is an immense piece of art.

- Right of education: What education can give the act of killing an animal?

- Public entities must promote the access to culture and the population's cultural, historic and artistic enrichment: Sure, bullfighting is the best example of culture. And about enrichment... Judge for yourselves, really.

- Freedom of business: We pursue prostitution but fight to allow bullfighting... *applause*

- Public entities must promote the social and economic progress: Applause more at "social progress". Economic would depend on assistance, and if it really is a reliable business then please decimate Spain's population.

Well, needless to say that I'm furious about the reasoning behind the instance for invalidation and even more furious that the instance has been accepted. Not that it should be surprising when we have a TV channel dedicated exclusively to bullfighting, but the fact that the small rays of hope that we can eradicate this practice are being shut down by the idiotic higher-ups is... I'm out of words, really.

An old teacher of mine liked to say in class: "Einstein said there are two infinite things, universe and mankind's stupidity, but I'm not sure of the former." Every day that passes keeps proving Einstein right, to the point that stupidity starts to fall short to describe the madness we live in.

Anyway, just wanted to let this out here. Any opinions from people living in civilized countries (anything but Spain) are also welcome.
Back in 2010, bullfighting was forbidden in Catalonia. As everything, this decision had its followers and its haters, and the latter group elevated an instance to the major court to invalidate such prohibition. As years passed, plans were suggested to reutilize the bullrings. One of them has successfully become a major shopping center in the city, while the other one was mostly abandoned for not being located in such a strategic place.

Today, however, we learned that the court has invalidated the prohibition. The main worry isn't the time they've taken (actually, they've proceeded quite fast), the question is: why would anyone want to invalidate such prohibition? And more importantly, why would the court agree to lift the prohibition?

According to the group that presented the instance, the prohibition violates a few articles from the Spanish polity. Looks like a fair reasoning, but take a look at some of the articles the prohibition technically "violates".

- Freedom of artistic creation: Yes, killing an animal slowly in front of a crowd is an immense piece of art.

- Right of education: What education can give the act of killing an animal?

- Public entities must promote the access to culture and the population's cultural, historic and artistic enrichment: Sure, bullfighting is the best example of culture. And about enrichment... Judge for yourselves, really.

- Freedom of business: We pursue prostitution but fight to allow bullfighting... *applause*

- Public entities must promote the social and economic progress: Applause more at "social progress". Economic would depend on assistance, and if it really is a reliable business then please decimate Spain's population.

Well, needless to say that I'm furious about the reasoning behind the instance for invalidation and even more furious that the instance has been accepted. Not that it should be surprising when we have a TV channel dedicated exclusively to bullfighting, but the fact that the small rays of hope that we can eradicate this practice are being shut down by the idiotic higher-ups is... I'm out of words, really.

An old teacher of mine liked to say in class: "Einstein said there are two infinite things, universe and mankind's stupidity, but I'm not sure of the former." Every day that passes keeps proving Einstein right, to the point that stupidity starts to fall short to describe the madness we live in.

Anyway, just wanted to let this out here. Any opinions from people living in civilized countries (anything but Spain) are also welcome.
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It may seem strange coming from someone living where I am, but I've never supported hunting for sport, let alone repeatedly stabbing a captive animal to death for entertainment. To me, even fishing is borderline because even though you can still throw it back and it'll live, you've still shoved a barbed hook through it's mouth and dragged it around for a little while. Killing for food is one thing, but bullfighting is ridiculous.

Any art that may be present is overshadowed by cruelty.

There can be some education to killing an animal, but only in the context of hunting for and preparing food.

It's not even Spanish culture, having originated in ancient Mesopotamian bull worship and being brought to Spain only when it was taken over by Islam for a short amount of time.

I would actually legalize prostitution before bullfighting because, while still immoral, it's pretty harmless.

If that's social progress, then it won't be very long before we're feeding people to lions again.

It may seem strange coming from someone living where I am, but I've never supported hunting for sport, let alone repeatedly stabbing a captive animal to death for entertainment. To me, even fishing is borderline because even though you can still throw it back and it'll live, you've still shoved a barbed hook through it's mouth and dragged it around for a little while. Killing for food is one thing, but bullfighting is ridiculous.

Any art that may be present is overshadowed by cruelty.

There can be some education to killing an animal, but only in the context of hunting for and preparing food.

It's not even Spanish culture, having originated in ancient Mesopotamian bull worship and being brought to Spain only when it was taken over by Islam for a short amount of time.

I would actually legalize prostitution before bullfighting because, while still immoral, it's pretty harmless.

If that's social progress, then it won't be very long before we're feeding people to lions again.

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m0ssb3rg935 : I totally agree. Killing for food is just natural, but doing it for fun and even having somewhat of a luxurious life because of it is overly ridiculous.

Yeah, prostitution may be immoral, but like you say it's harmless. It's out of common sense how something harmless is tirelessly pursued while a public act of killing is being reintroduced. If at least there's a protest march equally or more numerous than the one we had to abolish prostitution weeks ago, all hope won't be lost.

And well, I would be in for the lions returning if the people being fed to them are politicians and dispensable trash of the like. I can adduce to the article of freedom of business and drag people to an spectacle where the most hated people is having their earned execution. Plus, the lions would be so well fed that no one could accuse me of animal abuse. Kind of tempting...
m0ssb3rg935 : I totally agree. Killing for food is just natural, but doing it for fun and even having somewhat of a luxurious life because of it is overly ridiculous.

Yeah, prostitution may be immoral, but like you say it's harmless. It's out of common sense how something harmless is tirelessly pursued while a public act of killing is being reintroduced. If at least there's a protest march equally or more numerous than the one we had to abolish prostitution weeks ago, all hope won't be lost.

And well, I would be in for the lions returning if the people being fed to them are politicians and dispensable trash of the like. I can adduce to the article of freedom of business and drag people to an spectacle where the most hated people is having their earned execution. Plus, the lions would be so well fed that no one could accuse me of animal abuse. Kind of tempting...
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Okay,before I begin,I do like animals. Let us look at it another way,at least the bull can have his glory by fighting. Otherwise,what does he have to look forward to? Graze and maybe mate? Not much of an existence. And people have been fine with bullfighting for centuries. I think the only reason it is banned is because SJWs stuck their noses where it is not welcome. For years,this is how a man proved his manhood,against a 2,000lb beast and defeating him. And think of this,a man that can defeat a bull would make for an excellent mate.

It is a lot like the ancient Colosseum in Rome,bullfighting was a way to distract the masses. Much like team sports today. Not to mention,the government loses out on money that would be spent on admission. But honestly,is anyone making you watch the bullfight? No? Let it go. If you want to watch the event,do so. If not,find something else to do. Simple.

As for prostitution,I would have no issue with it if it were regulated and the workers tested frequently. Let us bring up the good points.
1. If it were legal,it is a paying job,which means taxes.
2. It is filling a basic primal need. You pay your money,you get your jollies,you go home.
3. It is not like someone is forcing them (a legal brothel) or forcing customers to go in there. It is by choice.

Hell,hangings used to be social events. 
Okay,before I begin,I do like animals. Let us look at it another way,at least the bull can have his glory by fighting. Otherwise,what does he have to look forward to? Graze and maybe mate? Not much of an existence. And people have been fine with bullfighting for centuries. I think the only reason it is banned is because SJWs stuck their noses where it is not welcome. For years,this is how a man proved his manhood,against a 2,000lb beast and defeating him. And think of this,a man that can defeat a bull would make for an excellent mate.

It is a lot like the ancient Colosseum in Rome,bullfighting was a way to distract the masses. Much like team sports today. Not to mention,the government loses out on money that would be spent on admission. But honestly,is anyone making you watch the bullfight? No? Let it go. If you want to watch the event,do so. If not,find something else to do. Simple.

As for prostitution,I would have no issue with it if it were regulated and the workers tested frequently. Let us bring up the good points.
1. If it were legal,it is a paying job,which means taxes.
2. It is filling a basic primal need. You pay your money,you get your jollies,you go home.
3. It is not like someone is forcing them (a legal brothel) or forcing customers to go in there. It is by choice.

Hell,hangings used to be social events. 
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Oldschool777 : Well, I forgot to tell the backstory: bullfighting gets funds from the government because it's declared a cultural art.

While I'm not forced to go watch the bullfighting, I do or should have a say in what the government spends my money, and definitely it's not something like this. At least not in a country where our grandparents only have one more year left of their retirement subvention before the state runs out of funds, where university is a privilege to a select few for the ever-rising prices, where our hospitals are seeing their subventions be cut down and so on.

The real problem I see is how it's considered an art. They're not really fighting, they're publicly killing an animal with weapons. I have nothing against being weaponless against the bull, like happens in other festivities around here, but the intention to kill the animal with a weapon in front of a crowd... And well, were the people fighting in the Colosseum professionals? Did they choose that "job"? Did they live a luxurious life? There go three main differences with bullfighting.

And speaking of team sports, they do receive subventions, Hell, our main soccer teams accumulate more than a thousand millions of debt, and only recently the small teams have started to disappear. Do we want more things to receive subventions? It's clear we don't.
Oldschool777 : Well, I forgot to tell the backstory: bullfighting gets funds from the government because it's declared a cultural art.

While I'm not forced to go watch the bullfighting, I do or should have a say in what the government spends my money, and definitely it's not something like this. At least not in a country where our grandparents only have one more year left of their retirement subvention before the state runs out of funds, where university is a privilege to a select few for the ever-rising prices, where our hospitals are seeing their subventions be cut down and so on.

The real problem I see is how it's considered an art. They're not really fighting, they're publicly killing an animal with weapons. I have nothing against being weaponless against the bull, like happens in other festivities around here, but the intention to kill the animal with a weapon in front of a crowd... And well, were the people fighting in the Colosseum professionals? Did they choose that "job"? Did they live a luxurious life? There go three main differences with bullfighting.

And speaking of team sports, they do receive subventions, Hell, our main soccer teams accumulate more than a thousand millions of debt, and only recently the small teams have started to disappear. Do we want more things to receive subventions? It's clear we don't.
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You do have a say in how the government spends your money. I seriously hope your country will not need a bailout like Greece did. But wouldn't bullfighting help fund things? Unless it is free to go to the stands to watch,the admission fees would cycle back into the economy.

Well,the art comes in with the history and tradition. And it is not simple killing,the bullfighter must be nimble and a showman. Anyone can kill an animal,but it takes more skill to do it with style and finesse. Most were either slaves or people that were forced into it. But some willingly became gladiators and they were the sex symbols of their day. A slave could win his freedom through the games as well.

Team sports are a distraction for the masses. And a well run team is beneficial for a city. It provides jobs and is an image boost. But a poorly run team is nothing but an embarrassment. It is a bit akin to the then Baltimore Colts,packing up their stuff in Mayflower trucks in the dead of night and relocating to Indianapolis. Many people still have bad feelings over that and that was about 30 years ago.

At least you guys do not have to choose between Trump and Clinton.
You do have a say in how the government spends your money. I seriously hope your country will not need a bailout like Greece did. But wouldn't bullfighting help fund things? Unless it is free to go to the stands to watch,the admission fees would cycle back into the economy.

Well,the art comes in with the history and tradition. And it is not simple killing,the bullfighter must be nimble and a showman. Anyone can kill an animal,but it takes more skill to do it with style and finesse. Most were either slaves or people that were forced into it. But some willingly became gladiators and they were the sex symbols of their day. A slave could win his freedom through the games as well.

Team sports are a distraction for the masses. And a well run team is beneficial for a city. It provides jobs and is an image boost. But a poorly run team is nothing but an embarrassment. It is a bit akin to the then Baltimore Colts,packing up their stuff in Mayflower trucks in the dead of night and relocating to Indianapolis. Many people still have bad feelings over that and that was about 30 years ago.

At least you guys do not have to choose between Trump and Clinton.
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Why do we need another dangerous sport? This sounds more dangerous than football.
Why do we need another dangerous sport? This sounds more dangerous than football.
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