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01-05-16 11:49 AM
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(I know the subject is highly controversial. Please keep the discussion civilized)

In his new campaign ad, Donald Trump explicitly called for a temporary ban on Muslim immigration. Although other Republicans have not voiced such explicit desire, most of them seem to agree to limit immigration at large.

This is ridiculous in many ways. First, people were coming by the boatful in the 19 century and they have not "taken our jeeeeeeeeeeeeeerbs". In fact they have created many, and not just for restaurants. Second, specifically about Muslims, the U.S. is almost entirely to blame for destabilizing the region and creating a void that was filled by extremists (that were financed and armed by the U.S. too). No, I did not support Saddam Hussein, but he was NOT a threat to the U.S. If "humanitarian" intervention is the rule, then why are we not invading Saudi Arabia?

That Muslims or any other "obvious" minority emigrate to any land makes no difference. I despise many of their cultural practices, but as long as they do not want to force them on anyone they can do as they please. One of the main problems (and the United Kingdom is a sad example of this) is when politicians want to cater to their special interests and overturn the rule of law. In Britain is can be a jailable offense to talk against Muslims, and I am not talking about death threats. In Canada, controversial pundit Ezra Levant was sued fore publishing the Mohamed caricatures over 10 years ago. At the time, no one seemed to want to be Charlie... And even today, state television (CBC) still censors the said drawings.

In short, as long as politicians do not modify laws and constitutional rights to "accommodate" ANYONE society will remain intact.
(I know the subject is highly controversial. Please keep the discussion civilized)

In his new campaign ad, Donald Trump explicitly called for a temporary ban on Muslim immigration. Although other Republicans have not voiced such explicit desire, most of them seem to agree to limit immigration at large.

This is ridiculous in many ways. First, people were coming by the boatful in the 19 century and they have not "taken our jeeeeeeeeeeeeeerbs". In fact they have created many, and not just for restaurants. Second, specifically about Muslims, the U.S. is almost entirely to blame for destabilizing the region and creating a void that was filled by extremists (that were financed and armed by the U.S. too). No, I did not support Saddam Hussein, but he was NOT a threat to the U.S. If "humanitarian" intervention is the rule, then why are we not invading Saudi Arabia?

That Muslims or any other "obvious" minority emigrate to any land makes no difference. I despise many of their cultural practices, but as long as they do not want to force them on anyone they can do as they please. One of the main problems (and the United Kingdom is a sad example of this) is when politicians want to cater to their special interests and overturn the rule of law. In Britain is can be a jailable offense to talk against Muslims, and I am not talking about death threats. In Canada, controversial pundit Ezra Levant was sued fore publishing the Mohamed caricatures over 10 years ago. At the time, no one seemed to want to be Charlie... And even today, state television (CBC) still censors the said drawings.

In short, as long as politicians do not modify laws and constitutional rights to "accommodate" ANYONE society will remain intact.
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I admit there is a growing concern of who we're letting past our borders. Our background checks, especially for those who are mass immigrating here (such as Syria), is very flawed.

At the same time, I'm that one person who's more than willing to let everyone come if they must. However, I would also air on the side of caution. It's hard for me to say anything about being cautious that wouldn't sound like me coming off as racist or prejudiced, but that's honestly what I want to say. Regardless of whose fault it is that extremism has reached there, it's still a fact that it's there, and our lack of good background checks can potentially open the door for extremists.

Again, I'm all for keeping immigration open, but I think we also have to look into being a little more secure with some of the immigration, is my view. I don't have hard evidence that this sort of thing will happen, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't at least on my mind.

And please don't confuse this with the claim that all Muslims are terrorists, because that's not what I'm saying at all. I even have a few Muslim friends, and they are very respectable people. However, the extremism exists, and it is dangerous, so I just feel we should try a little harder to prevent it. I don't believe just blocking off immigration is the right answer.
I admit there is a growing concern of who we're letting past our borders. Our background checks, especially for those who are mass immigrating here (such as Syria), is very flawed.

At the same time, I'm that one person who's more than willing to let everyone come if they must. However, I would also air on the side of caution. It's hard for me to say anything about being cautious that wouldn't sound like me coming off as racist or prejudiced, but that's honestly what I want to say. Regardless of whose fault it is that extremism has reached there, it's still a fact that it's there, and our lack of good background checks can potentially open the door for extremists.

Again, I'm all for keeping immigration open, but I think we also have to look into being a little more secure with some of the immigration, is my view. I don't have hard evidence that this sort of thing will happen, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't at least on my mind.

And please don't confuse this with the claim that all Muslims are terrorists, because that's not what I'm saying at all. I even have a few Muslim friends, and they are very respectable people. However, the extremism exists, and it is dangerous, so I just feel we should try a little harder to prevent it. I don't believe just blocking off immigration is the right answer.
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Banning Muslim immigration isn't going to solve anything. I guarantee that if you tried to ban the immigration of any other group of people on a similar basis it would be seen as extremely racist and unacceptable but because there is such widespread prejudice against Muslims and general islamophobia among many people in western countries due to misinformation it is viewed as acceptable by many. I think what most people don't realize is that the vast majority of Muslims do not symphatize with ISIS. ISIS are religious extremists and commit more brutal acts towards Muslims in their main countries of operation than they do to people in any western country, destroying many lives. Muslims immigrating from those countries, in general don't agree with them but want them to be stopped just as much as we do, if not more.

Banning Muslim immigration isn't going to solve anything. I guarantee that if you tried to ban the immigration of any other group of people on a similar basis it would be seen as extremely racist and unacceptable but because there is such widespread prejudice against Muslims and general islamophobia among many people in western countries due to misinformation it is viewed as acceptable by many. I think what most people don't realize is that the vast majority of Muslims do not symphatize with ISIS. ISIS are religious extremists and commit more brutal acts towards Muslims in their main countries of operation than they do to people in any western country, destroying many lives. Muslims immigrating from those countries, in general don't agree with them but want them to be stopped just as much as we do, if not more.

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Maybe they should. Native Americans let the white men into their countries and look how well that went for them.


I don't think banning Muslim from entering the USA is gonna solve anything. Be precocious? Of course, as with everything else. But there are still many dangers from inside the states more worry some than Muslims.
But no. Muslim immigration should be kept as a thing, as in let them into the states.
Maybe they should. Native Americans let the white men into their countries and look how well that went for them.


I don't think banning Muslim from entering the USA is gonna solve anything. Be precocious? Of course, as with everything else. But there are still many dangers from inside the states more worry some than Muslims.
But no. Muslim immigration should be kept as a thing, as in let them into the states.
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Zlinqx : You brought an interesting point on ISIS. True, they are more cruel towards their own than towards "foreigners." And in the U.S. one has more chance of being killed by a police officer then by a terrorist...

However, since you are from Sweden, I have to bring one point. From what I read Stockholm is dubbed the rape capital of Europe (of the world?), and in similar news gun possession is highly restricted. While Muslim *may* (it IS a big may) influence the issue, the main problem is that women (it is mostly them) are left completely defenseless. Once upon a time in Florida, there was a rape "epidemic" in a city and women were strongly encourage to carry weapons. Rape incidents plummeted afterwards...

maguc : talking about Natives is a classic. "They took our land!" "Yeah, when are you going back to Europe then?"

And ditto about dangers from the inside. Since terrorism is "striking fear to achieve political aims" one could conclude that Congress as a whole IS terrorist.

SWTerra : What kind of controls should be put on? Back in the 19 century those controls were rather slim, and massive immigration did not cause wide-spread problems other than isolated xenophobic skirmishes.

And no, I do not equate Islam with terrorism. Like EVERY religion there are nuts who want to kill / restraint those who do not believe as they do.
Zlinqx : You brought an interesting point on ISIS. True, they are more cruel towards their own than towards "foreigners." And in the U.S. one has more chance of being killed by a police officer then by a terrorist...

However, since you are from Sweden, I have to bring one point. From what I read Stockholm is dubbed the rape capital of Europe (of the world?), and in similar news gun possession is highly restricted. While Muslim *may* (it IS a big may) influence the issue, the main problem is that women (it is mostly them) are left completely defenseless. Once upon a time in Florida, there was a rape "epidemic" in a city and women were strongly encourage to carry weapons. Rape incidents plummeted afterwards...

maguc : talking about Natives is a classic. "They took our land!" "Yeah, when are you going back to Europe then?"

And ditto about dangers from the inside. Since terrorism is "striking fear to achieve political aims" one could conclude that Congress as a whole IS terrorist.

SWTerra : What kind of controls should be put on? Back in the 19 century those controls were rather slim, and massive immigration did not cause wide-spread problems other than isolated xenophobic skirmishes.

And no, I do not equate Islam with terrorism. Like EVERY religion there are nuts who want to kill / restraint those who do not believe as they do.
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I have a view that a lot of people hate but, hey I studied enough to believe it. I think terrorism is mostly propaganda. This government sure as heck makes sure that we all get to hear and watch these terrible videos of Christians and many other innocent people being killed. It's talked about all the time. You cannot go through an election process without spending time on this matter. Terrorism has been spread out through the media like crazy. I think it's a way for the government to feel empowered and justified to find Constitutional loopholes to take away power from the people and thus making this country less of what the founding fathers wanted it to be- a country by the people for the people. I think there is terrorism of course but, it got this bad thanks to this country funding and fueling it to the extent it has today. It seems the US feels compelled to befriend the enemy of our enemy while befriending the enemy as well- a bit hard to play all sides in a matter like this. I've gotten sick and tired of reading the news online every morning about all these stupidity that this government is funding and weeks later watch it back fire and so many people end up dead. Immigration is needed, immigration is the reason we are even here. What we need to do is not just go around giving benefits to everybody and anybody just because and instead create rules and regulations as to how to fund these programs by not just taxpayers but from the same people that receive benefits. I also think religions should have their space and all be equality respected- I don't understand how Christianity is pushed away so far yet streets in New York City are closed off every year to allow Muslims and others to worship but, don't dare make a commercial about Christmas being about Christ. I just think it should all be fair for all don't care about religion, race, believes, or whatever, just be fair about it. And terrorism well, it is there, how about not giving them so much spotlight and the media they need to reach other wackos around the world, cut them off the media, stop giving them money and weapons and for one sorry but, I would love to actually see when "our" soldiers kills them because I find it hard to belief we can watch so much sexual content, racism, gore, terrorism, but, we can't watch this government take out the bad guys and we just have to take their word for it- to me that's fanaticism not actual facts. 
I have a view that a lot of people hate but, hey I studied enough to believe it. I think terrorism is mostly propaganda. This government sure as heck makes sure that we all get to hear and watch these terrible videos of Christians and many other innocent people being killed. It's talked about all the time. You cannot go through an election process without spending time on this matter. Terrorism has been spread out through the media like crazy. I think it's a way for the government to feel empowered and justified to find Constitutional loopholes to take away power from the people and thus making this country less of what the founding fathers wanted it to be- a country by the people for the people. I think there is terrorism of course but, it got this bad thanks to this country funding and fueling it to the extent it has today. It seems the US feels compelled to befriend the enemy of our enemy while befriending the enemy as well- a bit hard to play all sides in a matter like this. I've gotten sick and tired of reading the news online every morning about all these stupidity that this government is funding and weeks later watch it back fire and so many people end up dead. Immigration is needed, immigration is the reason we are even here. What we need to do is not just go around giving benefits to everybody and anybody just because and instead create rules and regulations as to how to fund these programs by not just taxpayers but from the same people that receive benefits. I also think religions should have their space and all be equality respected- I don't understand how Christianity is pushed away so far yet streets in New York City are closed off every year to allow Muslims and others to worship but, don't dare make a commercial about Christmas being about Christ. I just think it should all be fair for all don't care about religion, race, believes, or whatever, just be fair about it. And terrorism well, it is there, how about not giving them so much spotlight and the media they need to reach other wackos around the world, cut them off the media, stop giving them money and weapons and for one sorry but, I would love to actually see when "our" soldiers kills them because I find it hard to belief we can watch so much sexual content, racism, gore, terrorism, but, we can't watch this government take out the bad guys and we just have to take their word for it- to me that's fanaticism not actual facts. 
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janus : That's not something I'm really sure about, myself. I'd rather put too few controls than too many at the end of the day, though.

jlove92 : Honestly, while it is a concerning issue, it is also pretty true. And it only hurts more when it's misunderstood as all Muslims must agree with ISIS ideals. Ignoring it outright isn't the answer, either, but this is excessive.
janus : That's not something I'm really sure about, myself. I'd rather put too few controls than too many at the end of the day, though.

jlove92 : Honestly, while it is a concerning issue, it is also pretty true. And it only hurts more when it's misunderstood as all Muslims must agree with ISIS ideals. Ignoring it outright isn't the answer, either, but this is excessive.
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SWTerra : Same here. Because I married another man I had to wait until 2013 before he could sponsor me for my green card in the U.S. The year I spent before going back to college in Canada was very lonely and boring since I could not get a "legal" job and I did not want "menial" jobs under the table.

jlove92 : Wow you have summarized the U.S. foreign policy in an excellent manner. And what you say about New York City (I had never heard about it happening; is it recent?) is the problem I pointed out: politicians "accommodating" them to probably earn their vote. Multiculturalism means the death of civilization; either everyone is equal under the law or privileged groups get permissions no one else does.
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jlove92 : Wow you have summarized the U.S. foreign policy in an excellent manner. And what you say about New York City (I had never heard about it happening; is it recent?) is the problem I pointed out: politicians "accommodating" them to probably earn their vote. Multiculturalism means the death of civilization; either everyone is equal under the law or privileged groups get permissions no one else does.
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janus : The whole rape capital thing is a myth due to misinformation and lack of research. While rape statistics purely technically are high here, the definition of rape in Sweden is much much more broader than it is in the rest of the world including the US and has been for the past decade at least. It does not only include forced sexual intercourse but other sexual acts as well and many times the victim can have been passive and it will still count as rape if she was in what's considered a vulnerable state (which includes far more things than just being intoxicated or something of the like) combine this and it's really a lot easier to accuse someone of performing rape and then them getting convicted for it here. If we really had the definition most other countries have like the US we'd likely have one of the lower rape statistics in the world.

Furthermore I'm completely against public gun use being allowed here. I don't think it's going to do anything to actually solve the problem of rape existing in general since it doesn't seem to be doing so in the US who has comparably high rape statistics (in the states with liberal gun laws) to other countries that ban public gun use and considering the circumstances rape typically occurs during which are often times situations where it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Not to mention I feel it brings a heap of other problems with it, like allowing criminals to easier get a hold of guns including the people who usually performs such crimes.

I think in stead guns should be banned from public use if possible. I know that would be ineffective in the US though due to how there's a sort of gun culture there compared to the rest of the world so stricter gun laws would seem like the better option to me.
janus : The whole rape capital thing is a myth due to misinformation and lack of research. While rape statistics purely technically are high here, the definition of rape in Sweden is much much more broader than it is in the rest of the world including the US and has been for the past decade at least. It does not only include forced sexual intercourse but other sexual acts as well and many times the victim can have been passive and it will still count as rape if she was in what's considered a vulnerable state (which includes far more things than just being intoxicated or something of the like) combine this and it's really a lot easier to accuse someone of performing rape and then them getting convicted for it here. If we really had the definition most other countries have like the US we'd likely have one of the lower rape statistics in the world.

Furthermore I'm completely against public gun use being allowed here. I don't think it's going to do anything to actually solve the problem of rape existing in general since it doesn't seem to be doing so in the US who has comparably high rape statistics (in the states with liberal gun laws) to other countries that ban public gun use and considering the circumstances rape typically occurs during which are often times situations where it wouldn't make much of a difference.

Not to mention I feel it brings a heap of other problems with it, like allowing criminals to easier get a hold of guns including the people who usually performs such crimes.

I think in stead guns should be banned from public use if possible. I know that would be ineffective in the US though due to how there's a sort of gun culture there compared to the rest of the world so stricter gun laws would seem like the better option to me.
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janus :

As soon as we allow this kind of discrimination against muslims, it will soon bite all religions. They'll call us religious extremists, and we Christians won't be allowed in either. Then the "politically incorrect". Then the religion will be banned altogether. Then we'll be deported.
janus :

As soon as we allow this kind of discrimination against muslims, it will soon bite all religions. They'll call us religious extremists, and we Christians won't be allowed in either. Then the "politically incorrect". Then the religion will be banned altogether. Then we'll be deported.
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Txgangsta : While I don't believe that will completely be the case, I still agree that it's something we really shouldn't end up doing.

My rationale is just that it's not right when the majority is innocent, regardless of the religion. It could be Satanism, for all I care.

And while I do agree that I'd want to be a little better with security, at the same time, I'd rather have less than more. I'm not even sure if there even is a perfect solution to this.
Txgangsta : While I don't believe that will completely be the case, I still agree that it's something we really shouldn't end up doing.

My rationale is just that it's not right when the majority is innocent, regardless of the religion. It could be Satanism, for all I care.

And while I do agree that I'd want to be a little better with security, at the same time, I'd rather have less than more. I'm not even sure if there even is a perfect solution to this.
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Banning Muslims won't do much to stop extremists as quite a few of them convert to the likes of ISIS inside the country they are born in like in the UK. Here Scotland has let in a 1,000 which isn't that much to be honest and the vast majority are going in to Edinburgh (capital) and Glasgow (our biggest city).

One thing I don't get here in the UK is that if I were to criticize Christianity thats is ok but if I go against Islam I am now considered a racist (Islam isn't a race last I checked).
Banning Muslims won't do much to stop extremists as quite a few of them convert to the likes of ISIS inside the country they are born in like in the UK. Here Scotland has let in a 1,000 which isn't that much to be honest and the vast majority are going in to Edinburgh (capital) and Glasgow (our biggest city).

One thing I don't get here in the UK is that if I were to criticize Christianity thats is ok but if I go against Islam I am now considered a racist (Islam isn't a race last I checked).
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Zlinqx : OK, so maybe it was blown out of proportion like many such sensationalist stories. However, my point about guns still holds. Just look at countries like the UK and France, where personal gun possession is virtually banned. When massacres occur, they get MUCH higher casualties. What if only a few people had been armed at the Bataclan? What if English people were armed for self-defense instead of relying on a coward government that seems to let barbarians rule certain blocks in London?

Txgangsta : Good point. That is always a fear I have: at first they came for the Muslims...

DylanMcKaig : It is pretty much the same in the Anglosphere (US and Canada). For the individuals or the media, criticizing anything but Christiany is shunned, and sometimes a crime.

Besides why would immigrants take the very, very long walk as a refugee? It seems like a waste of time if they want their 72 virgins.
Zlinqx : OK, so maybe it was blown out of proportion like many such sensationalist stories. However, my point about guns still holds. Just look at countries like the UK and France, where personal gun possession is virtually banned. When massacres occur, they get MUCH higher casualties. What if only a few people had been armed at the Bataclan? What if English people were armed for self-defense instead of relying on a coward government that seems to let barbarians rule certain blocks in London?

Txgangsta : Good point. That is always a fear I have: at first they came for the Muslims...

DylanMcKaig : It is pretty much the same in the Anglosphere (US and Canada). For the individuals or the media, criticizing anything but Christiany is shunned, and sometimes a crime.

Besides why would immigrants take the very, very long walk as a refugee? It seems like a waste of time if they want their 72 virgins.
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Banning Muslims from entering is not right. It won't solve anything, and it will most likely worsen the tension. Members of ISIS outside of the US will get even more fired up and likely make another attack. If there are members of ISIS in the US, then they will feel enraged as the American government will prevent their fellow Muslim brothers and sisters from entering the country. This will also lead to an attack but one that would directly harm the US. 

While I feel that banning Muslims from entering the country is very wrong, I do understand the point of doing so. However, I think the US, and the world, would be better off allowing Muslims into the country as the vast majority of them, just like every other religion, are nice people. After all, the whole foundation of America was based on giving everyone an opportunity to start a new, better life. 
Banning Muslims from entering is not right. It won't solve anything, and it will most likely worsen the tension. Members of ISIS outside of the US will get even more fired up and likely make another attack. If there are members of ISIS in the US, then they will feel enraged as the American government will prevent their fellow Muslim brothers and sisters from entering the country. This will also lead to an attack but one that would directly harm the US. 

While I feel that banning Muslims from entering the country is very wrong, I do understand the point of doing so. However, I think the US, and the world, would be better off allowing Muslims into the country as the vast majority of them, just like every other religion, are nice people. After all, the whole foundation of America was based on giving everyone an opportunity to start a new, better life. 
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SWTerra :

Why do you believe the majority is innocent? Everyone is a crook. That's why we can never find a politician without scandal.
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Why do you believe the majority is innocent? Everyone is a crook. That's why we can never find a politician without scandal.
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Txgangsta : Under that sort of scope of innocence, everyone's a crook and an awful, deceptive person.

We're only human. Of course we're not going to be 100 percent innocent. However, that doesn't mean we can understand that the majority of people aren't trying to go and make our worlds living hells by slaughtering people in the name of religion.

And yeah, politicians can be very corrupt, but that's not what's up for debate here.
Txgangsta : Under that sort of scope of innocence, everyone's a crook and an awful, deceptive person.

We're only human. Of course we're not going to be 100 percent innocent. However, that doesn't mean we can understand that the majority of people aren't trying to go and make our worlds living hells by slaughtering people in the name of religion.

And yeah, politicians can be very corrupt, but that's not what's up for debate here.
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Txgangsta : believing that everyone X (group of your choice) is the same is the fallacy of equivalency. It is no better than racism. Besides, why would YOU be a crook?

RDay13 : Amen to that. The writings on the Statue of Liberty did NOT come with "Some restrictions apply." However, I believe that the tension with Muslims mostly come from the U.S. backing bloody dictators and bombing their countries while backing up "good" rebels that become turncoats.

SWTerra : That reminds me of a meme I saw recently, where a "Western" hand was rejecting refugees while an ISIS scimitar is poking their back...
Txgangsta : believing that everyone X (group of your choice) is the same is the fallacy of equivalency. It is no better than racism. Besides, why would YOU be a crook?

RDay13 : Amen to that. The writings on the Statue of Liberty did NOT come with "Some restrictions apply." However, I believe that the tension with Muslims mostly come from the U.S. backing bloody dictators and bombing their countries while backing up "good" rebels that become turncoats.

SWTerra : That reminds me of a meme I saw recently, where a "Western" hand was rejecting refugees while an ISIS scimitar is poking their back...
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janus : Wait, sorry if I'm being daft here, but I'm not sure which part of my post would remind you of that, or maybe it was just the subject of what I was talking about? I'm a little confused here, sorry... "
janus : Wait, sorry if I'm being daft here, but I'm not sure which part of my post would remind you of that, or maybe it was just the subject of what I was talking about? I'm a little confused here, sorry... "
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SWTerra : Sorry for the confusing. I was referring to your part about "the majority of the people trying to get a better life for themselves." There was also a popular tweet that said that the people are in fact escaping from these monsters.
SWTerra : Sorry for the confusing. I was referring to your part about "the majority of the people trying to get a better life for themselves." There was also a popular tweet that said that the people are in fact escaping from these monsters.
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janus : I still think it's a horrible idea. Even assuming it would've made a difference gun violence kills way more people than it saves, just compare the gun homicide rates of the US compared to western countries with strict gun laws like France. While it might've allowed more people to survive these particular attacks it would've created more bloodshed in the long run and let more innocent people die. I don't think you can make a fair comparison using an attack this structured and on this big of a scale. It still isn't like these attacks would've been carried out with barely any casualties had the victims carried guns, these people are so determined and willing to die for a cause that they wouldn't let people carrying guns deter them, if so terrorist attacks wouldn't occur in the US.

While I don't know the exact state of other countries, if theoretically the government is doing a poor job protecting it's citiziens, I don't think that means you should automatically bring guns into a society since it's not an automatic solution, the police force and methods of protection they use should be addressed first and foremost. A solution that creates way more problems than it solves is not a viable solution in my opinion.

We have strict gun control laws here and while Sweden isn't a perfectly ruled country in it's current state, far from it in fact, the lack of guns and our gun control laws have never been a problem.
janus : I still think it's a horrible idea. Even assuming it would've made a difference gun violence kills way more people than it saves, just compare the gun homicide rates of the US compared to western countries with strict gun laws like France. While it might've allowed more people to survive these particular attacks it would've created more bloodshed in the long run and let more innocent people die. I don't think you can make a fair comparison using an attack this structured and on this big of a scale. It still isn't like these attacks would've been carried out with barely any casualties had the victims carried guns, these people are so determined and willing to die for a cause that they wouldn't let people carrying guns deter them, if so terrorist attacks wouldn't occur in the US.

While I don't know the exact state of other countries, if theoretically the government is doing a poor job protecting it's citiziens, I don't think that means you should automatically bring guns into a society since it's not an automatic solution, the police force and methods of protection they use should be addressed first and foremost. A solution that creates way more problems than it solves is not a viable solution in my opinion.

We have strict gun control laws here and while Sweden isn't a perfectly ruled country in it's current state, far from it in fact, the lack of guns and our gun control laws have never been a problem.
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