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Should scientists bring back the wolly mammoth and other extinct animals?
reviving some species that have been extinct for millions of years.
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Should scientists bring back the wolly mammoth and other extinct animals?

 

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Should scientists revive extinct animals like the woolly mammoth, saber tooth cat, giant ground sloth and other extinct animals? Don't even think scientists can bring back dinosaurs because their DNA doesn't exist anymore because they've been gone for to long. I have a feeling scientists will do this sometime in the near future. But should they really be brought back or not?
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It's possible, certainly. But that doesn't mean they should bring them back. They wouldn't survive the current circumstances of the wild. Maybe, just maybe isolating them until they get used to the bulk of things, then releasing them would work, but that probably wouldn't even work.

I think, no, they'll die out fast. If they can bypass that, go ahead.
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the dna is too degraded for us to do that, tgey have several preserved wooly mamoths and the dna is too poor to work with.
from moral standpoint I have no major objections, as long as they would be contained. taking animals to different continents can decimate wildlife so who knows wgat extinct animals would do
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thenumberone : I know dinosaur DNA is to degraded over the millions of years they've been extinct. I was referring to mammoths, mastodons, giant ground sloths, carrier pigeons, even the dodo bird and other animals that have by geologic terms have not been extinct all that long. I wasn't referring to something like a Jurassic Park. 
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as I said, the mamoth dna is degraded, you cant use itfor clones
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Should scientists bring back the wolly mammoth and other extinct animals?, Well if the DNA left over from these extinct animals aren't too degraded and could be cloned, yes they should it would allow a extinct species to live and survive again.But I think they should limit what species to bring back and they should choose species to bring back that's food source is still plentiful and could survive in today's world and environments. 
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Well, let's think about this for a moment, Okay, These animals are extinct, Why are they extinct... It may have been our fault for over hunting with some animals, But what about climate change? And evolution? This could already cause all kinds of problems with just the animals we would bring back, It's just simply cruel to bring something around only for it to die later, But also what about the animals in our environment already? I know full well what happens when you introduce a species that isn't native to an area, It's catastrophic, Just take a look at Snake heads in America for an example. There are reasons that these animals died out and it's probably for the better if it stays that way even though I'm not entirely against this idea but it still would have some freaky effects.

And let us take a look at the evolution stand point here, Things evolve based on their needs, Climate and environment, Introduce a species that died out somewhere else in a new area with totally different animals or plant life or even climate and things could go south again, All in all this idea sounds good at first but kind of makes me wonder what would happen if we did this.

All of that being said, This is something that has slightly intrigued me for a while and I've been wondering what it would be like to have these animals back for better or for worse. But in the end there is nothing I can do at the moment to influence this or how it happens so I'm not going to worry myself with whether or not it should happen and simply let it happen or let it not happen. But this is just my view on the matter and I'm no expert.
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Yes.
I would love to taste the Cave-man's version of Steak.
Imagine the money that can be had in the overpriced Restaurants.
This could be the start of a new trend.

Good Luck.
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Yes, the opportunity for scientific advancement is too overwhelming to not create these animals. However, I do not believe that they should be mass produced to satiate the appetite of the masses. There are many different experimental drugs that could be created from all different parts of their physiology.
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It would be cool to see a return of the Dinosaurs! But let's be serious now, is it morale to generate "fake" animals. I call them fake because they are just clones.
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MechaMento : Clones are in no way fake. Do you know that identical (not fraternal) twins are literally clones? The process of making a clone is really not different from it happening naturally. With identical twins, one of the cells in the developing stage breaks off. Because it is in the beginning stage, it develops into a separate person. In cloning, you simply have the DNA extracted from an unfertilized egg, and replace it with diploid DNA, and it develops just like a fertilized egg does. The only difference between an identical twin and a clone is that clones can have a much larger age gap. But genetically, there is no difference between the two things.
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I think there are different ways of looking at this.  One way is that it could teach us about things that lived during the time, the other way is, maybe they went extinct for a reason, I mean, perhaps there are things we should not be messing with.
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rcarter2 : I know what you mean, but I what I mean by "fake" is not natural. I don't think reviving a dead animal, that has no base body to clone on natural. I have seen things about clones of sheeps and dogs but they have a base body to be cloned onto since they are not extinct species.  

Also thanks for all of the other info on how twins are made, I did not know that.
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MechaMento : That is pretty acceptable logic. Although it is hypothetically possible for a modern day elephant to surrogate a mammoth. That is an unknown variable, but could possibly give it a natural body to grow. But that is only possible with viable DNA, which no preserved mammoth has had DNA in tact enough to be viable.

I guess I forgot to include my opinion. I do not think it is a good idea for either revival reasons or 'zoo' reasons. You have to remember things for both of those sides. I'll start with the 'reviving in the wild' aspect of it. People have brought up the whole 'they are extinct for a reason' and yadayada, which is good and all. But it doesn't address specifics. The world is very much changed since their extinction. Before they died out, they were adept to live the way it was back then. For example, the world used to be one where being huge made you top of the food chain. On top of that, it was a world with no to little disturbance from human activity, making food much more plentiful for both herbivores and carnivores. The only reason things that big could live was due to food availability. In most environments, that would not be the case. These giant creatures would need to eat massive amounts of food to sustain themselves.
But lets say, for arguments sake, that they can thrive in this world. If they are able to eat enough to sustain them, that means that there would be a massive disturbance in the current chain. For them to survive, others would have to fail. When one thing in the chain starts to fail, it means other things will flourish, others will dwindle, and you have a chain reaction of this patter throughout the chain until a new balance is made. These extinct creatures could be considered an invasive species. You could be repeating events such as when the Nile Perch was introduced to Lake Victoria, Burmese python in Florida,  bamboo in Costa Rica, etc. All those examples caused highly significant impact on the environment, leading to extinction or near extinction of many different living things (plants and animals alike). For the purpose of disrupting  other ecosystems, it is not good to introduce non-native species (assuming they would be the ones to survive in the first place). 

On top of that, it is important to not forget the fact that animals have been adapting constantly to evolving disease causing bacteria and viruses. Imagine you placed 100 people in a bubble completely free of germs except for say.... chicken post. You leave them in there for generations, where the only sickness they are exposed to is chicken pox. Then after 5-6 generations, take them out of the bubble and put them in the general population. Your looking at the majority of them terminally ill within a year. Same thing happens in the world of the wild. None of these animals that have missed thousands of years of exposure to developing bacteria and viruses would make it pointless to bring them back.

Next, for the argument of only having them on display in a 'zoo' setting of some sort. That wouldn't work either solely for the disease argument. Unless we kept them in sterile rooms all the time and sterilized their food, they will get sick and most likely die. Not really good quality of life to make animals live in. But aside from that, imagine the fear and confusion they would have. Through generations of living and adapting, animals have natural wired imprints of what to fear or not fear. Many instinct creatures have no exposure to humans. Imagine the stress it would put on them to be surrounded by humans when you have no natural birth imprinting on humans. Even worse, think of the mammoth who were hunted like crazy by humans as the most valuable food source. Sure, you can say nurture from birth helps counter the nature imprint, but it takes many generations to really help a species have only mild threat imprints of humans. Humans didn't perfect domesticating dogs through the first generation of wolves. It was a very long process, and dogs STILL can snap despite the domestication. Imagine bringing in a next generation mammoth with those imprints on humans as fresh as you can get them. It just isn't safe.

All in all, I don't agree with it. Even IF they could survive through disease alone, they are non native species and would likely be classified as an invasive species if they established themselves in the chain. In a captivity setting (minus the diseases) you are putting them in a world where they have no natural imprint on how to react to the environment (particularly humans). That is just stressful and potentially dangerous. Either way, it is just not a good idea.
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I say let's go for it! Sure, they might die out again, sure they might find out they are clones and go on an existential rampage and destroy civilization. But I think it would be cool to have dinosaurs and it would be totally worth it. I mean, I would only honestly revive like Tasmanian Tigers, and Dodos. But if it's even physically possible, I would do it just for the curiosity of how it would unfold, reviving tons of long extinct animals.
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   From a scientist's perspective, I can totally see why we would want to bring these animals back for studying purposes and possible other purposes too. For example, bringing back an early human or ancestors could shine light on things such as evolution, human history, etc. 
Maybe these past organisms (don't forget plants or bacteria!) have the key curing a disease or solving world hunger (more on that in a sec). I fully support bringing back extinct organisms, but there is something big that other people have touched on: They went extinct for a reason. Surely they wouldn't be able to thrive -- we have a different atmosphere and different diseases and food sources!

   That's why I don't think we should/would try to introduce them into the wild. There are several problems with that. We've all (hopefully) heard of invasive species, such as the cane toad in Australia, or the Kudzu vines that are rapidly covering Oregon. They don't have any natural predators, so they breed and reproduce until the whole place is overrun. This is a big problem in modern times, and it wouldn't help to bring back something from another time.

   But maybe it would be a good thing for a plant or animal to proliferate like that. Maybe there's a fruit from the stone ages that is really healthy for us, or maybe a tree that had strong wood and grew quickly, or a type of grass which can grow in deserts. Keep in mind that these organisms may not have died because they had something wrong with them. It could be that Earth went into an ice age or there was an extinction event after a big meteorite hit Earth. This could possible be the solution to some of the problems facing us!

   Another thing some people mentioned was disease. These organisms wouldn't be able to handle our viruses and bacteria... except that modern plagues and things wouldn't affect them because they are not evolved to. If your cat is sick, you probably won't get sick off of them because that specific disease is just a cat disease, and it's the same for these old organisms. Sure there are cross-overs, such as avian flu, or the plague, but they won't be bringing anything to affect us because we are cloning them and just their DNA, not going back in time to kidnap them and whatever ancient ticks, bacteria or what have you animals are covered in. But then again, that raises another point: gut bacteria.

If these organisms, particularly animals, were to be cloned into existence, they probably would not be able to digest their own food. You may have heard that humans have fewer human cells in them than cells of gut bacteria and other nasty-sounding things. This is completely true for all large animals - it's called a microbiome, and it pretty much digests all your food for you. The gases they produce while breaking down our food are the reason we fart and our *ahem* stinks. If we were to clone these animals, they would not have gut bacteria, and their digestive systems would be horribly inefficient, and they probably would not last long. We would pretty much have to pre-digest food for them, or give them a focal transplant (Google it, I dare you), which is exactly what it sounds like except worse.

   This is getting a bit wordy, so I'm going to wrap up. I support cloning extinct organisms on the off chance that they could be really cool/delicious and help us out, but I do not think it would be a good idea to release these cloned organisms into the wild because a plethora of things could go wrong. A side of the argument I forgot to bring up was animal rights. Even if we manually created a woolly mammoth in a lab, PETA or some other organisation would probably get up in arms about animal testing and exploitation and all that, which is understandable. 

I hope this raises a couple of points for you guys.

Also, a few ideas for possible future species-resurrectors (I'm coining the phrase now):
Homo floresiensis
The Boskop men
Silphim (For mature readers
Australopithecus 
Argentavis magnificens
Edestus (the fighting over where the jaw goes needs to stop!)
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Only to see if they taste good. I'm sure there might be a few other reasons but that's probably the only one that will matter in the end. Unless of course some miracle cure or something is found in one.
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I really think that these animals should only be brought back for research. However, I'd prefer if they stayed extinct though, since they died out for a reason.
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Just thinking about how hysterical people around these parts are about bears and wolves...  A saber cat going through your garbage and people crashing their cars at night into mammoths instead of mooses.  Well wouldn't that be something.
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I think this would be great to see that they revive those extinct animals, mostly because even if those animals got like one hint of DNA, then they can revive them in the future when they get the materals.
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