If you think a baby would have a bad beginning than why get pregnant to begin with? If people want abortions than they shouldn't be getting pregnant to begin with. Its pretty much selfishness to let the baby pay for the parents stupidity.

Did anyone bring into account the emotional ramifications of abortion to both the mother and the father? Or the way the practice of abortion is carried out. If you study up on this, it very well might sicken you. Every life is precious, even if it is as small as the tip of your finger. At least look into adoption before abortion if you don't want the baby. It's a very self-centered idea to put yourself before a new life. If you didn't want to get pregnant, don't have sex. If you were raped, you will find that the one good thing that came from that action was a child.

Exactly right, and something I had overlooked. Most women who have had an abortion are emotionally ruined. women have admitted that it was a mistake and after it happened caused severe depression.

seeron : I do agree that it can upset the parents, but on the other hand so can adoption. I also don't think it's right for a woman to have to carry a rapist's baby. Also, what if the baby will be born with a horrible disease or genetic defect to where they will be in constant pain for their whole life? is it right to make them suffer?

In Psalm 139:13-16; it seems that God takes unborn life very seriously. Abortion would therefore be murder and would be breaking the commandment "Thou shalt not murder". Even if it wasn't sin: why should you do it? Woman's choice over baby's life never made sense. If it's absolutely necessary, put the baby up for adoption.

metal572 : It should be that persons choice, not the parent.

I Say If The Parent Can Not Take Care Of The Baby She Should Have An Abortion Because Should The Baby Suffer Because It Was Born Into A Family That Can't Take Of It No.Don't Say Adoption Because Many Adoptions Are Very Poor Because Of Our Goverment And The Chances Of A Person Adoptiong Is Slim And A Good Person Is Even Slimer.

I'm 100% against it, whether or not I had a girl friend(I don't have one) that was pregnant whether by me or not. The sin is the sex, not the baby. Abortion is murder, for both the mother and the creator of the pills. But God is merciful and does forgive sins. As of it, I'm against it.

I am actually highly undecided. In some cases, the fetus will die, for example, and sometimes, early signs show that. That's just something I thought up for why I'm highly undecided.

avanover : "In Psalm 139:13-16; it seems that God takes unborn life very seriously. Abortion would therefore be murder and would be breaking the commandment "Thou shalt not murder". Even if it wasn't sin: why should you do it? Woman's choice over baby's life never made sense. If it's absolutely necessary, put the baby up for adoption."

I do agree but if a woman gets raped and becomes pregnant it's a horrible thing but the child could be raised to become a normal human being of course when he or she is older there going to ask who there father was maybe on the mother she can lie cause she does not want her own child to find out there father is a monster.

Am very con abortion every life that is conceived is a precious gift from god we are all children of god and sometimes we forget that even in the darkest of times of our life God has and will never forget about us. I know because am openly gay that god will not judge me or a women that's wants a abortion but she should take a step back and decide to make it work to keep the child or like Avanover said put it up for adoption.

I am FOR freedom of speech, thought, and decision.

I am personally for it, for the above decision.

First of all give it the thought,
Picture yourself in the position of the child. Helpless in the decision to choose between
living it's life or not. If your mother decided to abort you how would you feel.

I am very much against abortion and believe it is a heinous crime, as murder is. There is no difference between abortion and murder besides the fact that one victim is born, the other is not. In the past several years millions of babies have been aborted. I believe six times the number of Jews that Hitler had killed hence the name "The Silent Holocaust". I just believe people should put more thought into their actions before they do them.

The biggest drop in crime rates in recent times occurred because abortion was legalized, and the generation that would have been criminals were mainly aborted. Abortion prevents children being brought up in dysfunctional homes, where they could be abused, molested, feel unwanted, and grow up in poverty with a lack of education, little hope for achieving anything in their life, and could potentially become criminals, or be depressed and commit suicide. Also, a child born of rape may be unloved by it's mother, and if she can't bring herself to love her child it would be better for her to have aborted it. On the matter of whether it's murder or not, I'm undecided, but I believe sometimes it would be better to have not been born, for your own good, and for everyone else'.

I'm pro choice... i believe that women should have the right to decide what they do with their bodies... besides, is it better to have a baby who grows in a cold heartless world with no love or terminate the baby before it has the chance to suffer.

I'm revisiting this thread, and I saw two recurring arguments for abortion.

1. It is the woman's right to choice whether she should or should not.
2. The child would most likely be born in a dreadful environment.

These arguments are irrelevant to the issue. All of this comes down to when is a person a person. If you look at argument 1, rights should not be an excuse for someone to do something. Do we not have the right to do anything we want? To take whatever we want, fight whatever we want? to kill whatever we want? If you say yes, then no criminal should be punished since they have the right to do whatever they want. If you say no, then it comes back to the issue of whether abortion is right or wrong.

Argument 2: Obviously, one should not get pregnant in the first place if they don't want a baby, however no situation should be a reason to allow abortion to be practiced. If you don't want the baby or your environment is not suitable for a baby, send the baby for an adoption. What's worse is that I read people who say "might as well not live than to suffer through life" What kind of horrid argument is that? You don't know what will happen to the child, and obviously you don't make the decision whether to end his or her life. If you say you do have a say on what suffering is, where is the line? when is suffering too much for the baby? and for you to say terminate before it has a chance to suffer, it goes back to when a person is a person? Where do you draw the line? Abortion has no support of being a good thing.

Let me give you a quiz and let's see how you answer in these situations.

1. A preacher and his wife are very, very poor. They already have 14 kids. Now she finds out she’s pregnant with the 15th. They’re living in tremendous poverty. Considering their poverty and the excessive world population, would you consider recommending she get an abortion?

2. The father is sick with sniffles, the mother has TB. Of their four children, the first is blind, the second has died, the third is deaf, the fourth has TB. She finds she’s pregnant again. Given this extreme situation, would you consider recommending abortion?

3. A white man raped a 13-year-old black girl and she’s now pregnant. If you were her parents, would you consider recommending abortion?

4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She’s not married. Her fiancé is not the father of the baby, and he’s upset. Would you recommend abortion?

So what say you?


BTowns : That's not a good argument. You don't know how the child would grow later in life.

to me, the baby is exactly what it's name is... a baby, not a fetus. It has the right to life just as everyone here does.

play4fun : I'm not posing it as an argument, it's fact and statistic. If you see the book Freakonomics in a bookstore, pick it up and read a bit, it talks all about it in the first few chapters. I'm not saying there's a guarantee the child will be a criminal. I'm saying that statistically, the odds are extremely favorable for the child to go down that path given that the environment influencing and raising it will be one where crime is commonplace. Yes, one child could overcome that situation and maybe even become the president or something. But the other couple thousand who don't overcome will end up in jail.

As for a woman's right to choose, it's not a right to do whatever they want. It's a right to choose whether you give up your life for something unwanted, or prevent a life that may have ended in miscarriage, birth defect, or any other manner of premature death. As it is a life you create, legally it isn't a person until it has a birth certificate, so I suppose legally it's your responsibility and decision as to whether it becomes a person or not.

For sending the child for adoption, not everyone will choose to do that, should we force them to by law? If the child isn't adopted and ends up in an orphanage or eventually into foster care, statistics are once again in favor of the child becoming a criminal. It isn't entirely such a selfish thing as the child living a horrible life, what matters more is will they end up murdering one or several people later in life. Is one miserable, unwanted, criminal life worth as much as several lives, even if they were just as miserable as their murderer?

For your quiz:

1. What horribly irresponsible people, their children might be taken away by child protective services. The child should either be aborted, or if arrangements can be made for adoption into a good home, then so be it. It's not that people are craving abortion, it's that it's highly unlikely that every undesired child would be able to be put up for adoption and make it into a good home. Factor in the hormones brought about by pregnancy that make you instantly infatuated with your child and make you want to keep it, even when it's best that you don't, and the likelihood of people putting the child up for adoption decreases even more.

2. The dysfunctional genes present make it seem that the child would likely die early in it's life even if not aborted. If the parents are willing and capable of raising another child when they have their hands full with the other three, I would be amazed and applaud them for their efforts. If adoption was an option they would consider, and a good home could be found, then it should be done.

3. Every time she looked at her child she would be reminded that it was a product of rape and that her life will never be the same now that she has a child. If her parents were willing to raise the child as it's mother's sibling, and they were kind, decent and loving parents, and the mother so decided to birth it, then so be it.

4. A teenager who would get engaged already seems to be dysfunctional and an unfit mother. If she's an incapable parent then she shouldn't raise it and she should put it up for adoption. Not everyone is able or willing to give up nine months of their life and risk their life in childbirth and potentially ruin their body for the rest of their life.

Yes, adoption is an option. But for some people it isn't. Some people wouldn't be able to bring themselves to part with the baby after birthing it either, due to hormones from the pregnancy, and from common human care. Yes, if a loving home could be found then adoption would be much better than abortion. But loving homes are getting more and more rare these days, especially a home that would be willing to adopt a child. Adoption is generally better than abortion, but sometimes that's just not possible, or people are unwilling to.

The thing about abortion is that it is better done before the baby develops to much at all. In fact, I heard from some people, that is the only time you can do it.

So what you're "killing:" is a thing that can not hear, think, smell, or anything at all. It is at the given point, a thoughtless blob soon to become (if not aborted) a baby.

Of course when they get more developed they can supposedly "hear" whats going on, but before that happens, I find it not a problem.

I'd rather not get into a hard core argument though. I really don't care for the subject much, and do wonder why people make such a big deal about it when it is not their own babies it's happening to. We all have choices, and most of us aren't run by a dictator telling us we have to do something, so it's the choice of the "makers".

BTowns : Yes, I know of the book Freakonomics. I know they are statistics, but we cannot base on statistics to say whether we should abort or not. Doctors don't give up on treating a patient if a person has a slight chance to live. They would continue to treat.

"It's a right to choose whether you give up your life for something unwanted, or prevent a life that may have ended in miscarriage, birth defect, or any other manner of premature death"

There is not many times where the mother's life is at risk unless the baby is aborted. (This situation I would give more sympathy to those who side to abortion) Just because you don't want the child does not mean that you have that decision to abort it. Our attitude is to fight for all life. And I was wondering what you think about people who decide to have an abortion because the child does not have the characteristics that the parent wanted.

As for the quiz:
1. The child was John Wesley (Founder of Methodism and influential preacher during the Great Awakening)
2. The child was Beethoven
3. The child was Ethel Waters (Great gospel singer)
4. The child was Jesus

All I'm saying is that we have no say on what the child's life will be and decide to use an abortion to end it.

So, play4fun kinda stole my argument :/. But yeah, I agree with everything he says. The only time I would even agree with considering it is if both the mother and child are in considerable danger if the pregnancy is continued.