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04-06-10 08:05 AM
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I have a question fore atheist. what do you think the meaning of your life is? and where do you think your going to go when you die?
by the way i'm not bashing anybodys beliefs i'm just curious about what atheist thinks about this quesion. by the way i'm not bashing anybodys beliefs i'm just curious about what atheist thinks about this quesion. |
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I believe that, for all intentional purposes, when you are dead, there is no afterlife. I could get into the possibility of ghosts or something, but that is more of a philosophical question with no tangible answer. |
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i dont consider myself an atheist, but from what ive seen the meaning of their life is kinda just whatever they want it to be. and they think that once you die thats it your just dead. |
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Guess it looks like I'm the only one answering this question, then. (bet you didn't know I was atheist, huh michael? Lol)
Look, I'm not gonna try to tell you my views are right or yours are wrong, none of that junk. My opinion is only my opinion. Feel free to ignore it or whatever you wanna do. We all have our own views. And I respect that you have yours just like you should respect that I have mine. As to your question about my views? I believe that we are all here for a reason, yes, but once we change what we need to change, directly afterwards is when we die. And in some cases, dying IS how something is changed (my older sister's death brought our entire family closer, including people in my family that used to hate each other) And when I die? I only believe what I've seen before. If your lucky enough to grow old before you die, then you'll either get buried or burned, whatever is in your will. As to your soul or spirit or anything like that after somebody bites the dust? I believe that all the different religions were created so that people would feel more comfortable in knowing that death is coming, like it's too hard to accept that life usually does come to an abrupt stop when a person dies. That's why there's so many different stories as to how a person instead would "pass on" after they die instead of just die. Honestly not many other people can even seem to FATHOM the "just die" concept... Think about it. That's all I ask. And yet again, you can feel free to ignore everything I just said or whatever you wanna do. I said my version of the story of life. That's all I'm going to say. If you see where I'm coming from, cool. If not, that's even better. Cuz we all have our own opinion, and the sooner we all can realize that, the sooner we can actually get along with one another. Look, I'm not gonna try to tell you my views are right or yours are wrong, none of that junk. My opinion is only my opinion. Feel free to ignore it or whatever you wanna do. We all have our own views. And I respect that you have yours just like you should respect that I have mine. As to your question about my views? I believe that we are all here for a reason, yes, but once we change what we need to change, directly afterwards is when we die. And in some cases, dying IS how something is changed (my older sister's death brought our entire family closer, including people in my family that used to hate each other) And when I die? I only believe what I've seen before. If your lucky enough to grow old before you die, then you'll either get buried or burned, whatever is in your will. As to your soul or spirit or anything like that after somebody bites the dust? I believe that all the different religions were created so that people would feel more comfortable in knowing that death is coming, like it's too hard to accept that life usually does come to an abrupt stop when a person dies. That's why there's so many different stories as to how a person instead would "pass on" after they die instead of just die. Honestly not many other people can even seem to FATHOM the "just die" concept... Think about it. That's all I ask. And yet again, you can feel free to ignore everything I just said or whatever you wanna do. I said my version of the story of life. That's all I'm going to say. If you see where I'm coming from, cool. If not, that's even better. Cuz we all have our own opinion, and the sooner we all can realize that, the sooner we can actually get along with one another. |
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There is no meaning to life, we just live and die and it´s simply because of extreme luck when it comes to conditions for life that we get to live, and when we die our mind simply stops functioning and so does the body, in other words I will just die and nothing more, my body will either rot or get burned or something else but there is no spirit so I won´t go anywhere.
So it cannot be described in any other way than one moment you are alive and functioning and can think and the next it´s all over. So it cannot be described in any other way than one moment you are alive and functioning and can think and the next it´s all over. |
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another question for atheiests...if you say we just die, and theres no afterlife, then your saying humans don't have souls, basically making our existence worthless |
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Originally posted by oobla37 Think about it this way: Why do ants exist? Ants are nothing but insects that feed and reproduce, and help to clean the earth from the random little commodities that make up the ground and such. Cleaning up other dead insects and the like, but as to the bigger world, they serve absolutely no purpose. Now think about humans. Dinosaurs don't exist, so it's not like we're part of the food chain anymore. So yeah I think we serve absolutely no purpose to the bigger world. But that's only what's in my head. If you believe different, that's your opinion, and I won't tell you it's wrong. I like to accept that we have different opinions. But maybe that's just me. Lol Originally posted by oobla37 Think about it this way: Why do ants exist? Ants are nothing but insects that feed and reproduce, and help to clean the earth from the random little commodities that make up the ground and such. Cleaning up other dead insects and the like, but as to the bigger world, they serve absolutely no purpose. Now think about humans. Dinosaurs don't exist, so it's not like we're part of the food chain anymore. So yeah I think we serve absolutely no purpose to the bigger world. But that's only what's in my head. If you believe different, that's your opinion, and I won't tell you it's wrong. I like to accept that we have different opinions. But maybe that's just me. Lol |
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but do we have souls? if not then youre right, there is no afterlife, were useless, but if we do have souls then what happens? asume for a moment that we do have souls, is there an afterlife? if not where do the souls go? |
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Originally posted by oobla37 Um... I hope you realize that the word "soul" is just how people describe someone's good personalities, right? Originally posted by oobla37 Um... I hope you realize that the word "soul" is just how people describe someone's good personalities, right? |
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Originally posted by ZeldisasterOriginally posted by oobla37 nope: soul /soʊl/ Show Spelled[sohl] Show IPA –noun 1. the principle of life, feeling, thought, and action in humans, regarded as a distinct entity separate from the body, and commonly held to be separable in existence from the body; the spiritual part of humans as distinct from the physical part. 2. the spiritual part of humans regarded in its moral aspect, or as believed to survive death and be subject to happiness or misery in a life to come: arguing the immortality of the soul. Most people view it as the non-physical part that remains after you die. It is what goes to heaven or hell. Originally posted by ZeldisasterOriginally posted by oobla37 nope: soul /soʊl/ Show Spelled[sohl] Show IPA –noun 1. the principle of life, feeling, thought, and action in humans, regarded as a distinct entity separate from the body, and commonly held to be separable in existence from the body; the spiritual part of humans as distinct from the physical part. 2. the spiritual part of humans regarded in its moral aspect, or as believed to survive death and be subject to happiness or misery in a life to come: arguing the immortality of the soul. Most people view it as the non-physical part that remains after you die. It is what goes to heaven or hell. |
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Ok, but now re-read those definitions and you'll see things like:
1. regarded as 2. believed to 3. commonly held to be 4. the principle of Nothing more than something that people want to believe, in my opinion. No proof that anything even relating to it actually exists. Seems to me that it's just a way to explain why we're all different. 1. regarded as 2. believed to 3. commonly held to be 4. the principle of Nothing more than something that people want to believe, in my opinion. No proof that anything even relating to it actually exists. Seems to me that it's just a way to explain why we're all different. |
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All that the definition was there to do was to disprove your point that it is used to describe "someone's good personalities".
I never said I was proving the existence of a soul with those definitions. I never said I was proving the existence of a soul with those definitions. |
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Originally posted by geeogree Then that means nothing's changed! Our opinions still clash! Awesome! And that just answers the question I wanted to answer before. I highly doubt that we have a purpose in the bigger picture. Like many MANY people have said before: The life cycle: You are born, life sucks, then you die. End of story. Originally posted by geeogree Then that means nothing's changed! Our opinions still clash! Awesome! And that just answers the question I wanted to answer before. I highly doubt that we have a purpose in the bigger picture. Like many MANY people have said before: The life cycle: You are born, life sucks, then you die. End of story. |
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At times I must say I agree with Zeld.
Think about it, there have been so many religions created some maintained some not, all say this and this happened and demanding, or asking loyality. BUT How can we know something like that, where is the proof, yes it's called faith but faith can only carry you so far. If I had faith in Zeld to drive to michigan to bail me outa jail doesn't mean its real. I beleave that these religions were made as he said, because people were scared to die with fearing nothing for them after then end, that thier being would be gone. A soul is beleaved to be an essance that residess in your body, an imprint of yourself, how likely is this really? Thier is no meaning to life other then to survive. If we help someone or do good, or destroy the world then we do, it's not fate it's not destiny it choice. When i die I sincerely beleave it will be the end I will simply cease to be, no awareness I won't move on simply blackness that I wont even know cause when i die, everything is done so I won't even mind then. Thats what I beleave. Think about it, there have been so many religions created some maintained some not, all say this and this happened and demanding, or asking loyality. BUT How can we know something like that, where is the proof, yes it's called faith but faith can only carry you so far. If I had faith in Zeld to drive to michigan to bail me outa jail doesn't mean its real. I beleave that these religions were made as he said, because people were scared to die with fearing nothing for them after then end, that thier being would be gone. A soul is beleaved to be an essance that residess in your body, an imprint of yourself, how likely is this really? Thier is no meaning to life other then to survive. If we help someone or do good, or destroy the world then we do, it's not fate it's not destiny it choice. When i die I sincerely beleave it will be the end I will simply cease to be, no awareness I won't move on simply blackness that I wont even know cause when i die, everything is done so I won't even mind then. Thats what I beleave. |
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I've been a member of the New Atheist movement since I first heard about it a few years back - I've done work on it with my university and sadly, some family members have decided to push me away for my beliefs. It's only really driven me to learn more and cement my beliefs over the years and I've never been one to push what I believe on other people. This is why when I talk about it - I never aplogize for what I am saying, I never say anything like "well this is only my opinion" and I never back down from my position. It's not just a fleeting interest for me, a lot of this has shaped my life.
Either way - picking up from the original post, the meaning of life. I don't exactly believe in a specific meaning of life persay - that's just another thing that people try and find an answer to, and for some the answer is religion. I believe that I am here to live, just like any other organism. I can choose to do that any number of ways and for that I am thankful. Past that I don't have much of an answer because frankly "why are we here" isn't a question to me. And when I die? I think that's just it - I die. Sometimes it's hard, even for me, to think that there is absolutely nothing past the life that I live right now... but from everything that I've seen, all the history that I've spent years compiling, everything in my head - I see absolutely no reason to believe that anything happens to me when I die. Nothing concerning heaven and nothing concerning the supernatural. And other stuff... The idea that religion was created initially to stem the fear of people about death isn't something that I entirely buy. It's something that I think drive a lot of people towards religion today - but if you want to look at the roots of even a Christian religion these days you have to look back to the pagans and all of the gods that came before the Christian god. The pagan gods were answers to why things happened - people didn't always understand the world that they lived in as I am sure that you all know, so they had to create an answer. I'm sure we've all heard about ancients worshipping the sun and while that seems odd to us today, the sun was a mystery to people then. With little contact between the seperate areas of the world, different religions sprang up - all with the answer and all worshipping basically the same ideals with their own culture mixed in to create the differences that we know and understand today. Religions borrowed, dropped and created deities from those that had come before them, even the Christian God and Jesus both have striking similarities to figures that came long before them. This is fact. I believe that religion evolved from a sincere search for answers, to a method of control - why can't you do this? Because God told me that you couldn't do this, and God told ___ in the Bible that he couldn't do this other thing, so you can't do it either. To a mix of the two today. Either way - picking up from the original post, the meaning of life. I don't exactly believe in a specific meaning of life persay - that's just another thing that people try and find an answer to, and for some the answer is religion. I believe that I am here to live, just like any other organism. I can choose to do that any number of ways and for that I am thankful. Past that I don't have much of an answer because frankly "why are we here" isn't a question to me. And when I die? I think that's just it - I die. Sometimes it's hard, even for me, to think that there is absolutely nothing past the life that I live right now... but from everything that I've seen, all the history that I've spent years compiling, everything in my head - I see absolutely no reason to believe that anything happens to me when I die. Nothing concerning heaven and nothing concerning the supernatural. And other stuff... The idea that religion was created initially to stem the fear of people about death isn't something that I entirely buy. It's something that I think drive a lot of people towards religion today - but if you want to look at the roots of even a Christian religion these days you have to look back to the pagans and all of the gods that came before the Christian god. The pagan gods were answers to why things happened - people didn't always understand the world that they lived in as I am sure that you all know, so they had to create an answer. I'm sure we've all heard about ancients worshipping the sun and while that seems odd to us today, the sun was a mystery to people then. With little contact between the seperate areas of the world, different religions sprang up - all with the answer and all worshipping basically the same ideals with their own culture mixed in to create the differences that we know and understand today. Religions borrowed, dropped and created deities from those that had come before them, even the Christian God and Jesus both have striking similarities to figures that came long before them. This is fact. I believe that religion evolved from a sincere search for answers, to a method of control - why can't you do this? Because God told me that you couldn't do this, and God told ___ in the Bible that he couldn't do this other thing, so you can't do it either. To a mix of the two today. |
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Zeldisaster See my statement to Alucard...
Alucard962 Given the fact that multiple religions describe a fate worse than death, some of which have no definite means of avoidance or have means which not many may be able to follow, I don't see religion and belief in the afterlife as means of easing fear of death. If you were worried you were gonna go to Hell because you missed sacrificing, then I don't believe that would ease your fear of death. I personally believe in heaven and hell, and I've heard enough stories of people seeing these places as they die that I find it very believable... and very intriguing. apsham I agree, that's a large part of religions' creations: finding answers, trying to understand life--but I don't believe that many religions are bent on control. They're still based around answering the questions of life, providing help to the followers, and such. Sure, some people may take it to the point of controlling people, but those are not the true leaders, not those who truly follow the religion. If it was a method of control, why would people still teach that we are so freely offered forgiveness? But Christianity is based not around searching for answers, it's based around the answers finding them. The essence is God revealed to us, before we could even ask, the answers of some very deep things in life... just not everything. But believe what you want, I can't stop you. Alucard962 Given the fact that multiple religions describe a fate worse than death, some of which have no definite means of avoidance or have means which not many may be able to follow, I don't see religion and belief in the afterlife as means of easing fear of death. If you were worried you were gonna go to Hell because you missed sacrificing, then I don't believe that would ease your fear of death. I personally believe in heaven and hell, and I've heard enough stories of people seeing these places as they die that I find it very believable... and very intriguing. apsham I agree, that's a large part of religions' creations: finding answers, trying to understand life--but I don't believe that many religions are bent on control. They're still based around answering the questions of life, providing help to the followers, and such. Sure, some people may take it to the point of controlling people, but those are not the true leaders, not those who truly follow the religion. If it was a method of control, why would people still teach that we are so freely offered forgiveness? But Christianity is based not around searching for answers, it's based around the answers finding them. The essence is God revealed to us, before we could even ask, the answers of some very deep things in life... just not everything. But believe what you want, I can't stop you. |
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bignatealpha See, look at what your saying. I never said people were afraid to die cuz they thought they'd immediately go to Hell. I said they were afraid cuz it would mean they wouldn't go anywhere. Do me a favor and try to imagine absolutely nothing happening after they throw you in the casket. After you die and after that funeral, try to honestly imagine nothing happening, and you'll realize that you start to become nervous thinking about that... |
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Zeldisaster But my point is, try to imagine being eternally tortured, with no way out, no rest, forever in eternal pain burning in a lake of fire, yet never being burnt up... I'd much rather cease to exist than feel pain forever. It is a scary thought, but Hell is even more frightening. Nobody would make that up as an alternative to non-existance. |
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bignatealpha Your right, nobody would bother to make Hell up for the fun of it, but I believe the only reason people came up with that is to fill in the void of "Well, if good people go to Heaven, where do bad people go?" That familiar question asked by children and even some adults. Just a ploy to instill even more fear in people so that they practice the Bible or whatnot and try to secure a place in the clouds above. But that wasn't my point. You obviously didn't do my experiment.
Imagine being sealed under the dirt forever, nothing more. If you are true christian or catholic or anything, trying out this simple, harmless thought (of having nothing after death, not Heaven nor Hell, just Earth and bugs) will show you what you really believe, even if you tell other people different. Imagine being sealed under the dirt forever, nothing more. If you are true christian or catholic or anything, trying out this simple, harmless thought (of having nothing after death, not Heaven nor Hell, just Earth and bugs) will show you what you really believe, even if you tell other people different. |
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Zeldisaster Well Zeld, I tried... and I couldn't imagine it. Seriously. I'm trying... and I can't. And I don't even feel nervous, 'cause I know there's more than that. But whatever, I'm not going to argue . |
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