Two sisters were recently removed from the last plane that would get them to their dying papa's bedside on time. Allegiant Air is to blame. Their staff wrongfully assessed the situation because they were disturbed by their own incompetence for sensitively handling one of the women's panic attack and they identified the victims of this tragedy as the problem they could not handle. Pretty sure a kind word, motion sickness bag and offering a blanket might have gone over better. Would that be so difficult?


  It may now be my belief that Allegiant's planes ought to bear an adapted slogan now. "allegiant Unfriendly travel is our deal."  Let's not get any funny ideas and start buying cans of spray-paint and super tall ladders. That's vandalism. Let's just keep it to hitting them where it hurts. Their pocketbooks.


 http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sisters-kicked-off-allegiant-air-flight-miss-seeing-their-dying-dad-they-say/




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It disturbs the flight and everyone on board it when someone is hysterical. They are no more important then anyone else on the plane, need to keep their issues to themselves and keep quiet. When one person panics EVERYONE does so the flight attendant did the right thing in kicking them off despite their dying father in hospital bed. That may sound bitter but it's standard flying protocol and the job of the flight attendants to maintain safety and comfort for not just them but the others flying as well.

Postman3 : I agree with Jigsaw here, cold as it might be they were acting within reason. They need to hold everyone to the same standards and the same really goes for all airlines. They were just doing their job. It's an unfortunate turn of events but it's just the way things are.

Also looking past that, why are you painting this as an attack on women? The poll option for no is "No. Women are stupid and I don't respect them". Unless the flight attendants were being derogatory just based on them being women how any of this just apply to women specifically? It could have involved anyone.

I chose No, but i'm not saying they're stupid. Its just, they're panicking and that's not cool for a flight with a plane full of peeps. They'll feel uncomfy and probs never use the airline anymore, so that's the right call i'm gonna say, RIP the dying dad tho

This wasn't an attack on women. The situation here sucks. But they needed to not act how they did on the plane. The staff had no choice but to get them off for everyone else's peace of mind. As sad as it is, you can't just get rid of rules and security because of a sad story. It is sad that they lost their dad, but you've gotta behave in a public setting.

Not sure if my opinion counts in this since I've never flown and I have no plans to do so in the foreseeable future, but I can't really trust mainstream media for an objective report on anything. I wasn't there and I didn't see it, so for all I know, the flight attendant was horrible, rude and had bad breath and it's equally possible that she has a victim mentality and is trying to capitalize on her dad's death. I'll need to do some more research on the subject before I can join a boycott.

Zlinqx :  That addendum to the negative option is there simply to unfairly influence people's choices. As you can see in my description, I don't actually explain it as being an attack on women. You could be a little more observant and less like the all-or-nothing thinking flight attendant. It's not all or nothing. It's a sensitivity issue. When you have feelings for the first time in your life, shoot me a PM Z. I'll explain to you what everything going through you means, if that ever happens to you. Things won't be so black and white so seeing in colour may shock you.


JigSaw :  "When one person panics EVERYONE does"   Ummm... How is that logical behavior? That sounds like what patients in the nursery ward would do. Are you suggesting EVERYONE as a passenger of that plane was an infant?

 Uh oh, two cribs down, the noob is crying. Let's all cry! Waaaaaaah!  Waaaaaaaaah! Waaaaaaaa!

 Nurse/attendant : Okay. Enough y'all. You! You started this. Shut up! You're out of here. We'll see how you like the curb outside. Security risks, tsk. Takes one bad apple.

 

A user of this :  You always have a choice of whether to be sensitive or not. Right this moment, I am choosing not. Of course, I am not personnel responsible for attending to the needs of people while in transit. So my choice isn't at all contrary to my one job. Making people comfortable was the one job the attendant in question failed at. Accommodating their patrons needs is their only purpose. I had a job where I multi-tasked. Did several things at once and had to remember them all. This person had one job to do. Couldn't do it. Incompetence. 

 It's not a security issue in the least. No attendant was threatened with any physical harm. The presence of that activity does not fit the description of the situation and it is quite unlikely they would have received threats. What really occurred was poor assessment of the situation, callous service towards two passengers and if that happened at my job, some staff person would be in trouble within the hour. Just fire those responsible already. What's the hold up? Insensitivity is at the heart of this, not security risk. If they even soundlessly whispered the words "security risk" to the pilot of the flight, they need to ask to Lord's forgiveness for fabricating.

 
m0ssb3rg935 :  No doubt they cannot be trusted. Neither can Zod. Neither can I for that matter. I was not careful to hold back my favour for those who have my sympathy. Women, babies, Americans[last one being exceptionally emotionally disadvantaged beyond other cultures, to say nothing of individuals with any development of emotional control]. Yes. CBS news did a much finer job of just laying the bare facts before us. I took a story and ran with it.

 Does my failure to display emotionless impartiality really discount my opinion? How important is that objective nature? Do you get it by having a portion of stuff removed from your head or have something installed in there?


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The flight attendant had an attitude problem and honestly blew it for those two women,plus many on the plane were appalled at the attendant's behavior. She will more than likely be disciplined or lose her job over it. These women were trying to reach their ailing father before he passed,try to be with him before he goes. Of course they would be upset and hysterical. One sister moved to her sister to console her.

The attendant could have just allowed the two to sit together,used a little reasoning,and they would not have hurt anyone or compromised safety. I am sure it could have been accommodated and nothing would be wrong. That is like people yelling at a mother because her baby is fussy. Maybe the baby was scared and was crying.

It is not like the time a year ago when a family was onboard and their son had a peanut allergy. The kid's mother wanted snack service stopped for everyone. Now at the time,the kid was a year old and his parents would have to keep an eye on him and feed him. If the kid's allergy was that life threatening,they could have booked a nut free flight. The mother could have acted like a mother and monitor her child. She had no right to deny hundreds of people of a little something to make the flight go a little smoother.

If people had a little God-damned common sense and reasoning,both incidents could have been avoided. The two sisters could have been allowed to sit together,they would not have bothered anyone and not been a danger to the flight. The mother in the other case could have acted like a parent and keep an eye on the child to make sure he did not have a peanut.

I am a tad surprised by some of the comments on here though.

Postman3 : So I should boycott the airline for life because a hot headed woman decided to break protocol, get up and get in a verbal pissy fit with a flight attendant?

Also no I never compared the people on the plane to infants, YOU DID!

Postman3 :  Sarcasm doesn't always translate well through text and I've learned that it's best to not assume that someone is joking. This might surprise you but even though I disagree with you that doesn't mean I don't have feelings. I get by your post that it is a sensitivity issue.

They weren't following regulations so I think it was the alright thing to do. Like several people pointed out they should've kept it to themselves. Not following regulations can end up costing someone their job. It's not as simple as them being kept from seeing their dad because the airline attendants are heartless which the article is trying to make it seem like by that headline. I can understand why people disagree but this is how I see it.

JigSaw :   Yes. I mentioned that rationale to make a good point about what you were saying. Did you ever consider adults could act like adults?

 It's a ridiculous idea that grown ups could be expected to panic at any given moment that they see others bemoaning their own woes and losing their chill.

 Zlinqx :

 You break protocol all the time. Last year, you were in an airport for three months, just squatting there. That's not supposed to be allowed.

 I don't know how it is with you guys but I find some airline attendants to be unnecessarily anal about their pathetic level of authority being respected even if disobeying directions causes absolutely no trouble at all except for their authoritarian anger posturing displays and demonstrations of what they can do when angry - like lying about the severity of a threat when their anger level reaches full throttle. I can be reasonably sure airlines only have that many "safety" rules which have nil to do with safety so that these temperamental pedants with no life have something to make them feel self important and thus motivated to get on with their real job.


 Pilot: Turn the plane around and land? Sure, why not? Um, are you certain this woman has a knife and is hissing at people that she'll cut them. How would she have gotten a knife past security screening?


"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."

 Airline attendant broke the real protocol. Don't lie. Don't cause a problem where there wouldn't be one without your interference. Don't provoke people with troll behavior. Don't try to force a change about a small detail[reversal of an impromptu seating change in this case] and make it a bigger issue than it originally is. Don't be mean.

 Someone swapping seats affects nothing. Same as on the bus, except it's an air bus.

 


 None of this foul abusive behavior on a widespread ongoing basis at the hands of airline staff halts and makes an about face until someone takes a stand and refuses to even use an airline with a story like this circulating about them. This occurrence itself is less important than the message being sent all the time. I would very much like to send a message back.

 It's not just this time. It's all the time. Something to the effect of airline patrons being treated unfairly happens every single day planes take to the air. What if this harpy or someone like them did that to you? Not so acceptable when it happens in your own life does it? Someone please empathize. You would want this happening on your urgent trip when you were going through a tough seminal life event?

 

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Were the actions done (from Allegiant) with an ill intent? If so, yes a boycott would seem like a logical action.

However Allegiant is a cheap (in all the meanings of the word) airline so flight opportunities with them are rather slim. They charge for EVERYTHING (cabin luggage, printing tickets at the counter, etc.) that other airlines like Southwest are usually better.

Not saying this because I hate women, but if they have a panic attack on a plane it was right for them to be kicked off. I mean planes are already scary enough, we don't need a person having a panic attack the whole way there.....even if the father thing is kind of sad.

Boured :   Panic attacks are harmless to observers. Kicking them off the plane was a pathetic person's idea to exert power over a fellow human being. Planes are not at all scary. I find flying exciting until about hour three of being airborne and then it's boring and cramped[hey, glad I'm not the pilot... although he or she would have more leg room]. It would be your illogical perception that makes it scary; not anything to do with the experience itself. Quoth ye "because I hate women" and I thank you tremendously for outlining a better[albeit using faulty logic] reason for disagreeing other than your abject hatred for women.

 janus : Thanks for the scoop on Allegiant. Now let's take the "giant" out of their name.

 Let's be clear everyone. The flight attendant broke protocol by creating and escalating a minor issue stemming from an emotionally upset patron who would have gotten it under control within 15 minutes; my anxiety support group backs this up, 15 minutes is the maximum constant full distress someone can feel before their hormones burn out and they must recharge and be quiet for a while.

 If that happened at any other service job, a person would be expected to be welcoming and accommodating to the patron at the very least. My cousin is an airline attendant and that cousin is good at their job because they aren't a jerk.

 This Allegiant attendant is on the other end of the spectrum. Ready? Aim! You're fired!

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Yeah they were right to do it. They broke the rules so therefore the should get off the flight. There could have been others with just as urgent reasons on the flight as well.

After reading most of the replies, I'm gonna go with the rest of you guys and say that they deserved this.

If all the woman was doing was consoling her sister, then mothers should get kicked off the flight for consoling her crying baby.

It's just stupid. you can't do that. I really can not believe that the two sisters were kicked off the plane over this.

considering the fact that other passengers were upset over the two girls getting kicked off I'm sure that they understood the situation at hand and that they were willing to put up with the girls. I know if I was on that plane I would have united airlines the flight attendant right in the face for kicking the other woman off. Would it accomplish anything? no. would it get me kicked off the plane and arrested? Yes. But it would be the best reaction and Someone is bound to film it so I would become internet famous.

I don't entirely think this is news anymore, it's been forever and catbert just bumped it after a month.. maybe it should be closed.

Local Mods : thoughts?

I saw this before and I thought I replied, but lemme get my two cents in here before anything else happens.

I don't blame either party for what happened. I don't blame the woman for getting out of control, since she was on the way to see her dying father for the last time ever. Put yourself in the woman's shoes. If it was my father I was going to see for the last time, I'm not sure what I could've done to be honest. My father ( and mother ) mean the world to me. I would do darn near ANYTHING to see them one last time if they were on their deathbed.

But I also don't blame the airline for kicking them off, honestly. That would be a really tough situation to handle in the correct way, in my opinion. Kicking them off the plane though ... I think they may have gone just a little too far with that. I understand that it was probably for everyone else's safety that they did so ... I respect that decision as a matter of fact. But that doesn't make it right. Its been a while since I've been on a plane, but I would've just given them a free meal or something. I, myself, am in the customer service industry and as far as I know, rule #1 is you should always try to keep the customer happy. A free meal, a nice pillow or blanket, or maybe even a full refund is the direction I would've gone.

The bottom line is stuff happens ( and I don't mean "stuff" lol ). You can't help what you can't control.