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05-18-16 06:03 AM
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A disturbed, estranged, young woman named Evalion has recently been exposed. She seemed nice enough, but her content was anything so. She was a Neo-Nazi in the making and a rabid Adolf Hitler supporter. She also showed signs of racism and homophobia. After much investigation, her channel was removed. It's grime like this which pollutes the mind and questions your intelligence. YouTube also has a plethora of other problems as well, including false copyright claims, shovel ware and meaningless content, annoying advertisements, and trolls. This makes the website almost undesirable, thought it might not be true. This thread allows you to discuss the problems you have with this site, in great detail.        
What is the worst thing about YouTube and why? Which channel do you downright despise or dislike? Share your thoughts. Thanks so much for sharing with me. 
A disturbed, estranged, young woman named Evalion has recently been exposed. She seemed nice enough, but her content was anything so. She was a Neo-Nazi in the making and a rabid Adolf Hitler supporter. She also showed signs of racism and homophobia. After much investigation, her channel was removed. It's grime like this which pollutes the mind and questions your intelligence. YouTube also has a plethora of other problems as well, including false copyright claims, shovel ware and meaningless content, annoying advertisements, and trolls. This makes the website almost undesirable, thought it might not be true. This thread allows you to discuss the problems you have with this site, in great detail.        
What is the worst thing about YouTube and why? Which channel do you downright despise or dislike? Share your thoughts. Thanks so much for sharing with me. 
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If you only click on certain videos, only those kinds of videos will usually show up. Every time I'm on youtube's front page. I'm greeted with pretty much only video game specific recommendations- just the way I like it. And the search function knows I'm not into crap too. UNLIKE Deviant art, in which the search function is just asking for it. . .

I honestly like the site for the most part. Sure, I don't follow any of the popular channels, or the drama, but maybe that's because I don't click any of that to begin with.

And you can't blame youtube every time someone dumb uploads a dumb video, that's the person's fault. Not youtube. Also people have different tastes and ideas, you or I may not agree with. That's called freedom of speech.

Speaking of which, you DO have a right to support Hitler or be homophobic. That is freedom of speech also, and if youtube is going to take that down because it's Hitler, then they don't allow or beleive in real freedom of speech.

Oh Sword! You're so evil and hurtful! How DARE you defend such an evil person!

Either you believe in a concept, or you don't. You can't censor anyone because of their viewpoints if you believe in freedom of speech. You want to attack someone who has an arrogant, or incorrect view? Combat them logically- not physically. Make your own videos explaining why this kind of video is wrong.

Sorry, but standards are standards. And I'm sick of all the hypocrisy.
If you only click on certain videos, only those kinds of videos will usually show up. Every time I'm on youtube's front page. I'm greeted with pretty much only video game specific recommendations- just the way I like it. And the search function knows I'm not into crap too. UNLIKE Deviant art, in which the search function is just asking for it. . .

I honestly like the site for the most part. Sure, I don't follow any of the popular channels, or the drama, but maybe that's because I don't click any of that to begin with.

And you can't blame youtube every time someone dumb uploads a dumb video, that's the person's fault. Not youtube. Also people have different tastes and ideas, you or I may not agree with. That's called freedom of speech.

Speaking of which, you DO have a right to support Hitler or be homophobic. That is freedom of speech also, and if youtube is going to take that down because it's Hitler, then they don't allow or beleive in real freedom of speech.

Oh Sword! You're so evil and hurtful! How DARE you defend such an evil person!

Either you believe in a concept, or you don't. You can't censor anyone because of their viewpoints if you believe in freedom of speech. You want to attack someone who has an arrogant, or incorrect view? Combat them logically- not physically. Make your own videos explaining why this kind of video is wrong.

Sorry, but standards are standards. And I'm sick of all the hypocrisy.
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There are so many things that are wrong with youtube, From scumbag prank channels to others who got to the top by abusing the youtube algorithm you cant run of problems and it is hard to choose the worst. One recent thing are the top cod youtubers who are paid by activision to encourage kids to gamble on their microtransactions in hopes to get a powerful or cool looking gun that they locked behind these supply drops which is basically making the game "Pay-to-Win" The cod youtubers get money to get all of these supply drops and unbox  them in a video showing kids all of the goodies they get if they gamble with mommy's credit card. You have little to no chance of getting these goodies even if you buy a ton of these supply drops. Idk about you but i thought encouraging kids to gamble and allowing them to gamble was illegal. If it isnt illegal than it is a scumbag business practice.
There are so many things that are wrong with youtube, From scumbag prank channels to others who got to the top by abusing the youtube algorithm you cant run of problems and it is hard to choose the worst. One recent thing are the top cod youtubers who are paid by activision to encourage kids to gamble on their microtransactions in hopes to get a powerful or cool looking gun that they locked behind these supply drops which is basically making the game "Pay-to-Win" The cod youtubers get money to get all of these supply drops and unbox  them in a video showing kids all of the goodies they get if they gamble with mommy's credit card. You have little to no chance of getting these goodies even if you buy a ton of these supply drops. Idk about you but i thought encouraging kids to gamble and allowing them to gamble was illegal. If it isnt illegal than it is a scumbag business practice.
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Ultrajeff : These are my thoughts. Anyone in the world is allowed to explain and discuss their beliefs and what systems they support. If this person is racist, okay, they can be a racist. However, it is up to the general public and youtube visitors and users to understand why racism is not a good idea. Those of us who understand this need to explain and teach to others what is respectful and appropriate and what is not.

I fear that if you bury someone like this, kids will be over-sheltered and insulated from hate and anger. When they encounter it for the first time without parents or teachers to help interpret the information, they won't know what to do.

Leave it up. In America, we have the 1st Amendment. She can say what she wants. And I can counter and say she's the worst kind of person out there.
Ultrajeff : These are my thoughts. Anyone in the world is allowed to explain and discuss their beliefs and what systems they support. If this person is racist, okay, they can be a racist. However, it is up to the general public and youtube visitors and users to understand why racism is not a good idea. Those of us who understand this need to explain and teach to others what is respectful and appropriate and what is not.

I fear that if you bury someone like this, kids will be over-sheltered and insulated from hate and anger. When they encounter it for the first time without parents or teachers to help interpret the information, they won't know what to do.

Leave it up. In America, we have the 1st Amendment. She can say what she wants. And I can counter and say she's the worst kind of person out there.
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Considering Youtube has a policy against hate speech(Hate speech refers to content that promotes violence or hatred against individuals or groups based on certain attributes) any video involving racism is not allowed. So no. People like Evalion are not allowed. Source here: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801939?hl=en.

Do I particularly agree with the policy. Not really no. Sure I'm a part of certain groups that are usually hated on(and it's annoying to see this type of hate) but everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how much I disagree with them. Freedom of Speech is pretty important after all.

Now in terms of what annoys me about Youtube. I hate all the copyright claims. A lot of videos fall under fair use and should not be claimed, but Youtube just allows people to claim them. They allow adult content even though it goes against their policy but a legitimate video that falls under fair use usually end up getting claimed.

In terms of content. It's annoying to see fake pranks/social experiments. If you're trying to portray something then do it legitimately. Show the actual reactions of people. Social experiments especially, it's not an accurate representation of how people act if they're faked.
Considering Youtube has a policy against hate speech(Hate speech refers to content that promotes violence or hatred against individuals or groups based on certain attributes) any video involving racism is not allowed. So no. People like Evalion are not allowed. Source here: https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801939?hl=en.

Do I particularly agree with the policy. Not really no. Sure I'm a part of certain groups that are usually hated on(and it's annoying to see this type of hate) but everyone is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how much I disagree with them. Freedom of Speech is pretty important after all.

Now in terms of what annoys me about Youtube. I hate all the copyright claims. A lot of videos fall under fair use and should not be claimed, but Youtube just allows people to claim them. They allow adult content even though it goes against their policy but a legitimate video that falls under fair use usually end up getting claimed.

In terms of content. It's annoying to see fake pranks/social experiments. If you're trying to portray something then do it legitimately. Show the actual reactions of people. Social experiments especially, it's not an accurate representation of how people act if they're faked.
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I hate copyright stuff because some creators go to great lengths to sue someone else for the silliest of things. One of my favorite YouTubers Matthias did a video showing what happened to his channel because of copyright, where he couldnt make parodies anmore, and even to the point where he couldn't use lyrics at all in his video, even if there was physically no music.

Heck, just a few days ago I got a copyright claim for playing One Finger Death Punch, which is a huge game to record.
I hate copyright stuff because some creators go to great lengths to sue someone else for the silliest of things. One of my favorite YouTubers Matthias did a video showing what happened to his channel because of copyright, where he couldnt make parodies anmore, and even to the point where he couldn't use lyrics at all in his video, even if there was physically no music.

Heck, just a few days ago I got a copyright claim for playing One Finger Death Punch, which is a huge game to record.
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Sword legion : The way that YouTube does that recommended videos things based on the type of videos you watch is pretty helpful. It like shows me when a ytber I watch made a new video, which is usually the only time I know that the ytber made a new video aside from the few times I check their channel page to see if they have any new videos (I usually don't get notifications for new videos and I don't check my notifications there anyways). I also get a laugh out of it sometimes when I watch videos I don't watch often xp.

WHY R U SO MEAN N' EVIL SWORD WHYYYYYYYY The Hitler channel video thing seems pretty awful, and of course I wouldn't like it on YouTube, but there is free speech, and I guess just talking about how great the Nazis were falls under free speech. Too bad that people can't have free speech about a movie or something unless they glorify it which brings me to my point...

The thing that I dislike the most about YouTube is how copyright claims are handled... there's no penalty for the party that makes the copyright claims, which means that they can abuse it without any fear of having their channel taken down, and the party getting attacked with the copyright claims can very well have their channel taken down or very close to it. Fair use? What's fair use? If you don't like a review/parody, you can just have the video taken down AND have a copyright strike against the "offending" channel! Hooray for regulating information! It just makes me sick, and I wish it was changed. Yes, a copyright system needs to be in place. But it needs to be handled by humans, not handled automatically, and there needs to be a penalty for the channel putting out FALSE copyright claims. It's fair use if it's a review or a parody okay...
Sword legion : The way that YouTube does that recommended videos things based on the type of videos you watch is pretty helpful. It like shows me when a ytber I watch made a new video, which is usually the only time I know that the ytber made a new video aside from the few times I check their channel page to see if they have any new videos (I usually don't get notifications for new videos and I don't check my notifications there anyways). I also get a laugh out of it sometimes when I watch videos I don't watch often xp.

WHY R U SO MEAN N' EVIL SWORD WHYYYYYYYY The Hitler channel video thing seems pretty awful, and of course I wouldn't like it on YouTube, but there is free speech, and I guess just talking about how great the Nazis were falls under free speech. Too bad that people can't have free speech about a movie or something unless they glorify it which brings me to my point...

The thing that I dislike the most about YouTube is how copyright claims are handled... there's no penalty for the party that makes the copyright claims, which means that they can abuse it without any fear of having their channel taken down, and the party getting attacked with the copyright claims can very well have their channel taken down or very close to it. Fair use? What's fair use? If you don't like a review/parody, you can just have the video taken down AND have a copyright strike against the "offending" channel! Hooray for regulating information! It just makes me sick, and I wish it was changed. Yes, a copyright system needs to be in place. But it needs to be handled by humans, not handled automatically, and there needs to be a penalty for the channel putting out FALSE copyright claims. It's fair use if it's a review or a parody okay...
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Yeah, I'd have to agree. The copyright thing is terribly annoying. It's the only thing I adamantly dislike about youtube itself as a site, and it needs to end. I really hope that people can keep streaming video games and things. If Sony trying to copyright the term "Let's Play" doesn't tell you how they view the whole deal. . .

Yeah, hate that.

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Yeah, I'd have to agree. The copyright thing is terribly annoying. It's the only thing I adamantly dislike about youtube itself as a site, and it needs to end. I really hope that people can keep streaming video games and things. If Sony trying to copyright the term "Let's Play" doesn't tell you how they view the whole deal. . .

Yeah, hate that.

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Replying again because I found out about Youtube taking down a video due to Family Guy using said video in an episode.

Source: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/family-guy-used-nes-game-footage-from-youtube-then/1100-6440033

It really goes to show just how broken the system really is. Anything can potentially be taken down at this point. The system it uses to take down videos really needs to be reworked. Because it's really not working. As I said in my first reply, videos that shouldn't be taken down are. Youtube would be one of the best sites if it weren't for this little fact.

So yeah, I agree with the idea that this kind of thing should be done by humans. Having a system of videos being taken down for no reason just will not work. Eventually users will get tired of it and bring their videos elsewhere.
Replying again because I found out about Youtube taking down a video due to Family Guy using said video in an episode.

Source: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/family-guy-used-nes-game-footage-from-youtube-then/1100-6440033

It really goes to show just how broken the system really is. Anything can potentially be taken down at this point. The system it uses to take down videos really needs to be reworked. Because it's really not working. As I said in my first reply, videos that shouldn't be taken down are. Youtube would be one of the best sites if it weren't for this little fact.

So yeah, I agree with the idea that this kind of thing should be done by humans. Having a system of videos being taken down for no reason just will not work. Eventually users will get tired of it and bring their videos elsewhere.
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Well, freedom of speech could be an issue. But, Evalion's  insipid videos were violating YouTube's content guidelines about hate speech. Also, autoplay is annoying. Sure it is the channel's fault for bad videos, but YouTube has the right to be aware, take actions, and do something about it. Especially if it's inappropriate. YouTube has strict guidelines disallowing racist content and more.  Also, Evalion's racism towards black people (of which I am part of) and despicable identification of the Jewish people is sickening.
Well, freedom of speech could be an issue. But, Evalion's  insipid videos were violating YouTube's content guidelines about hate speech. Also, autoplay is annoying. Sure it is the channel's fault for bad videos, but YouTube has the right to be aware, take actions, and do something about it. Especially if it's inappropriate. YouTube has strict guidelines disallowing racist content and more.  Also, Evalion's racism towards black people (of which I am part of) and despicable identification of the Jewish people is sickening.
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As someone that is a Youtuber, there are a lot of things that are a mess going on right now, ranging from clickbait videos, and really trashy people. The gaming community itself is a bit toxic, with people like DarkSydePhil, but if you look outside that, you have people like LeafyIsHere, and DramaAlert aka Keemstar, that guy is a real scumbag, the way he handles everything he is a scumbag, and it's pathetic. I've given my thoughts on both, I did it in parody form, and I actually did a parody of DarkSydePhil, because I am not afraid of them, but at the same time, while there are issues with Youtube, you come across some really cool people and channels.
As someone that is a Youtuber, there are a lot of things that are a mess going on right now, ranging from clickbait videos, and really trashy people. The gaming community itself is a bit toxic, with people like DarkSydePhil, but if you look outside that, you have people like LeafyIsHere, and DramaAlert aka Keemstar, that guy is a real scumbag, the way he handles everything he is a scumbag, and it's pathetic. I've given my thoughts on both, I did it in parody form, and I actually did a parody of DarkSydePhil, because I am not afraid of them, but at the same time, while there are issues with Youtube, you come across some really cool people and channels.
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Yeah....youtube has been messed up. With a lot of users here explaining why like copyright problems over the silliest of things or maybe something you work hard to put on taken down and not even explained why. I find it dodgy nowadays foe when you put things up on youtube because you have t be very careful because anything can happen at any time or at any place in the area of it. '-'
Yeah....youtube has been messed up. With a lot of users here explaining why like copyright problems over the silliest of things or maybe something you work hard to put on taken down and not even explained why. I find it dodgy nowadays foe when you put things up on youtube because you have t be very careful because anything can happen at any time or at any place in the area of it. '-'
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There are a lot of youtube channels that use misleading titles and thumbnails. It's very annoying. Some people are very desperate to get views
There are a lot of youtube channels that use misleading titles and thumbnails. It's very annoying. Some people are very desperate to get views
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I have to agree with Ghostbear and Sword Legion in saying that, as a matter of principle, these things should be allowed. Be it hate speech or anything else, so long as it falls short of inciting riots and violence, it should be allowed to be expressed so we can better educate our children. Keeping them in the dark only makes them more vulnerable to such ideologies. That said, YouTube, being private property, also has the right to remove whatever content they see as unfit for their site, even if I disagree with censorship.
I have to agree with Ghostbear and Sword Legion in saying that, as a matter of principle, these things should be allowed. Be it hate speech or anything else, so long as it falls short of inciting riots and violence, it should be allowed to be expressed so we can better educate our children. Keeping them in the dark only makes them more vulnerable to such ideologies. That said, YouTube, being private property, also has the right to remove whatever content they see as unfit for their site, even if I disagree with censorship.
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m0ssb3rg935 : I notice a lot of people saying they should be shut down for bullying, etc, technically Keemstar (DramaAlert) and LeafyIsHere has done such a things, but really, they are making asses out of themselves and are losing those subscribers, mostly Keemstar. I mean LeafyIsHere actually had the balls enough to apologize when he messed up, and while I can't stand him, he seemed genuine about it. Keemstar is losing subs left and right, and digging himself more of a hole, which is great.
m0ssb3rg935 : I notice a lot of people saying they should be shut down for bullying, etc, technically Keemstar (DramaAlert) and LeafyIsHere has done such a things, but really, they are making asses out of themselves and are losing those subscribers, mostly Keemstar. I mean LeafyIsHere actually had the balls enough to apologize when he messed up, and while I can't stand him, he seemed genuine about it. Keemstar is losing subs left and right, and digging himself more of a hole, which is great.
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I have a YouTube account myself and i've noticed something odd: Some subscribers were gone, so i don't have 834, but 821. And i've heard more YouTubers lost their subscribers a bit: Pewdiepie even lost 600.000+ subscribers. And he got a lot of hate comments after that, like "Good for him" or "He deserves it". I didn't comment on it, because it was quite sad for him. But there's more: A lot of friends lost their subs too. I guess every YouTuber has less subscribers, because (here it comes) YouTube removes unused channels, i believe. So if someone subscribes to you and leaves YouTube for what it is, he/she is being removed now. It's sad, but it's true. That's pretty stupid of YouTube, to do this. But i understand it too: Perhaps YouTube will be much faster from now on, because the community there is smaller now. Still, the accounts will probably increase again and will result into the same thing as before.
I have a YouTube account myself and i've noticed something odd: Some subscribers were gone, so i don't have 834, but 821. And i've heard more YouTubers lost their subscribers a bit: Pewdiepie even lost 600.000+ subscribers. And he got a lot of hate comments after that, like "Good for him" or "He deserves it". I didn't comment on it, because it was quite sad for him. But there's more: A lot of friends lost their subs too. I guess every YouTuber has less subscribers, because (here it comes) YouTube removes unused channels, i believe. So if someone subscribes to you and leaves YouTube for what it is, he/she is being removed now. It's sad, but it's true. That's pretty stupid of YouTube, to do this. But i understand it too: Perhaps YouTube will be much faster from now on, because the community there is smaller now. Still, the accounts will probably increase again and will result into the same thing as before.
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MrBeingcool1 :

The Youtube twitter said that they were looking into the issue after it happened, so I don't think they did it on purpose. I think it was just some sort of big glitch.

Anyway, I see there's a big debate about clickbait for some reason now. Does anybody know why this is?
MrBeingcool1 :

The Youtube twitter said that they were looking into the issue after it happened, so I don't think they did it on purpose. I think it was just some sort of big glitch.

Anyway, I see there's a big debate about clickbait for some reason now. Does anybody know why this is?
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The worst thing about YouTube is that a Spanish Minecraft player has more subscribers than Epic Rap Battles of History, and Bart Baker.
These people have entire production studios and work all the time to get their fans and Minecraft is just so easily exploitable any random person can become famous off of Minecraft.

I guess that would be considered real Capitalism if it wasn't for all the copyright strikes.
The worst thing about YouTube is that a Spanish Minecraft player has more subscribers than Epic Rap Battles of History, and Bart Baker.
These people have entire production studios and work all the time to get their fans and Minecraft is just so easily exploitable any random person can become famous off of Minecraft.

I guess that would be considered real Capitalism if it wasn't for all the copyright strikes.
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I use YouTube all the time but I don't upload videos, I just use my account to subscribe to channels. Since I've been using it for several years, I've seen a lot of different things I don't like but some of them have improved over the years.

The main thing I don't like about YouTube is that it's horrible at recommending videos for me to watch. Sometimes the recommendations are very different from anything I've ever watched with my account and other times the recommendations are videos I saw before. When videos automatically switch in a playlist that bothers me too. At least I can turn it off easily

The advertisements actually aren't that bad for me and they only annoy me when I can't skip them or when they are for a scary movie or something like that.
I use YouTube all the time but I don't upload videos, I just use my account to subscribe to channels. Since I've been using it for several years, I've seen a lot of different things I don't like but some of them have improved over the years.

The main thing I don't like about YouTube is that it's horrible at recommending videos for me to watch. Sometimes the recommendations are very different from anything I've ever watched with my account and other times the recommendations are videos I saw before. When videos automatically switch in a playlist that bothers me too. At least I can turn it off easily

The advertisements actually aren't that bad for me and they only annoy me when I can't skip them or when they are for a scary movie or something like that.
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