First of all this is not a joke. I think there are some serious issues to be looked at regarding Jesus and how he came about. To all the sheep who follow the bible as every word is the truth, think again and do the research and base it on your own logic and multiple sources.

Now I don't know much about anything in the bible or religion but what I do know is that Virgin Mary (The mother of Jesus) was... a virgin and somehow out of the blue became pregnant and gave birth to Jesus. Jesus did have a step father named Joseph but that leaves a missing link, no real father.

Jesus did not have a father as he is the father, which is a complete paradox within itself. So you tell me, was Mary impregnated by the heavens above (UFO's & Aliens)? There are many clues that show and overwhelm the possibility that Jesus could have very well been an alien.

Here are some ancient paintings which show UFO's existing way back in the day and there are many more as well:






Now we arrive to what could be a load of nonsense from those who wrote the bible. I honestly do not see how so many people can believe such a story when it makes no logical sense whatsoever (A virgin giving birth with no dad, resurrecting from the dead etc...) Can this be the reason why Jews don't believe Jesus is god? I think so and it makes sense from their point of view (not sure if that is their reason or not).

Anyway, the fact that Jesus also resurrected from the dead and revealed himself is another sign of a designed plan by the heavens above. Only aliens had the technology and the knowledge and the power to produce such illusions and to move remove Jesus from his tomb and to make him reappear in a illusion.

Whether these illusions where real or not, there is a good possibility that they could be self-induced or produced by other entities through the subconscious by using psychosis which is another tool aliens have the power to accomplish. If you do not believe in such things take a look at past civilizations such as the egyptians, they all could have been mind controlled to build the crazy stuff they built and the knowledge they had was too superb for any human being to know at the time.

Anyway, what do you think is the real truth? The fact that the bible has been rewritten many times makes me believe they cannot continue holding the lies any longer. Let logic settle in and draw your own conclusions.

I'm not bashing Christianity, I'm simply bashing the people who wrote the bible and try and misform people on the real truth. I call my version the truth as it is completely possible and logical of how Jesus came about and how he did the things he did. Sure there are miracles in this world but you have to put things into perspective. If Jesus had a father I would let it slide but there are just too many fishy things about it all and that is why I have brought it up to discuss.

Anyone can believe what they want, but from my conclusion I think this makes the most sense in how Jesus came about. What do you think is the truth? Do you have a theory of your own or do you follow only what the bible says? This should be interesting

Originally posted by JigSaw

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I honestly do not see how so many people can believe such a story when it makes no logical sense whatsoever (A virgin giving birth with no dad, resurrecting from the dead etc...) Can this be the reason why Jews don't believe Jesus is god? I think so and it makes sense from their point of view (not sure if that is their reason or not).

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I'm sorry, but the sheer irony of that one paragraph would make me laugh very hard if it didn't make me deathly afraid.

This is actually a general trend I'm very curious about: atheists in general tend to have a much easier time believing in extraterrestrials than in God, despite the fact that the former has much less evidence supporting it than the latter.

Let's look at the facts, shall we? Your argument contains no facts. You gave no evidence for you claims whatsoever, basically pointing a finger at someone, notably my religion, and saying "You're wrong."

The pictures you linked showed dots in the sky. That's it. What are they? They're UFOs. Does that make them alien ships? Do you even know what UFO stands for? It means Unidentified flying object. Just because it's in the air and you don't know what it is doesn't mean it's automatically an alien craft.

Now last of all, your argument actually makes significantly less sense than the one told in the Bible. Why would aliens perform enormous miracles before our very eyes for four thousand years, using their advanced technology to do everything from produce pillars of smoke to bring multiple people back to life, and still shy away from telling us they're aliens rather than farking God? I'm sorry, I just don't buy it.

I've noticed a trend in your posts that you do not, in fact, give any rhyme or reason to any of your claims whatsoever. Throughout this whole post you did nothing but laugh in the face of the people who wrote the Bible and tell them "you're wrong," and, with all due respect, I can't tell you how tempted I am to reflect that back on you, because if you could just see what a bad argument that makes I'm sure you would actually link some kind of evidence for what you claim, but frankly I don't think it's even worth it because, and forgive me if I'm wrong, I don't believe there is any evidence to support what you say.

"Now we arrive to what could be a load of nonsense from those who wrote the bible. I honestly do not see how so many people can believe such a story when it makes no logical sense whatsoever (A virgin giving birth with no dad, resurrecting from the dead etc...) Can this be the reason why Jews don't believe Jesus is god? I think so and it makes sense from their point of view (not sure if that is their reason or not)." - JigSaw

Actually the Jews do believe in the Old Testament and the Old Testament prophesized that the Messiah would come about in this way so the Jews do believe this. If God created everything in existence, you would think he'd be able to do anything, correct? Than why would it seem so impossible for him to make a virgin pregnant? Also, Jesus is referred to as Father since he's God in human form.

As for your pictures, the first probably is just a hole in the clouds with the sun shining thru. Also note that these are paintings made by people who weren't actually there, they are not actual photos so therefore, they are just stretches of imagination, just like the theory of UFOs. Astronomers have the ability to see planets, stars, galaxies and solar systems trillions of miles away (with the help of some incredible technology) but yet have not yet spotted a huge death star or some martian flying around.

Anyways, I don't need to say more, Crawldragon did a very good job.

yeah, the entire post is speculation at best. And the evidence you gave in picture form are pictures painted by people. For some reason the people painting UFO's are more credible than the people writing down things that Jesus said.

I second what David and Crawldragon said. You really need more than those paintings and speculations to convince me that exact quotes and eyewitness accounts are false. And like David said, the Jews believe a Messiah who will be born in that manner is coming, they just don't believe it's Jesus.

If virgin mary is not a fact, and jesus not having a father is not a fact, and jesus resurrecting from the tomb out of the blue is not a fact then what is? That's right, they are NOT facts its all opinions by who knows how many people.

Who cares about the paintings or what I think happened, the point is Jesus had NO father, his mom got pregnant out of the blue, and now people claim he is a god. That is what I'm getting at. If you deny that as being fact then surely it is an opinion just like mine.

Again this is my theory, I'm just saying, something like my theory makes more logic then what happened. I could care less who drew the paintings or when they were drew or by who. What I'm saying is Jesus being an alien makes more sense then his mom being a virgin, him not having a father and him resurrecting from the dead.

Crawldragon,

Nice job filling my mouth with words you completely ignored the point of my post. Where in my posts did I say "YOUR WRONG". I never said that. I provided you with many facts but you being the person you are ignored them because of my opinion on them.

You dismissed my facts about Jesus and bash my opinions and fill my mouth with words thanks I appreciate it

maybe your theory is more logical to YOU.... but not to me....

I would argue this all with you, but my idea of who God is and who Jesus is in relation to God is so different from what you described that I would spend more time explaining that than doing anything else.

But hey, if you want to believe Jesus was an alien then feel free. I'm not sure how you think that is more logical than the current version of the story, which you have twisted around in my opinion, but that's your right

[edit] oh, and you want to argue fact vs opinion. Hundreds of people saw Jesus die, get buried and then saw him after he was ressurected. Are they all liars? Did they make that story up so that they could all be brutally murdered by the Jews or the Romans for what they believed? No, they must have done it for the fame and fortune they received.... except they didn't get fame or fortune.

"Again this is my theory, I'm just saying, something like my theory makes more logic then what happened. I could care less who drew the paintings or when they were drew or by who. What I'm saying is Jesus being an alien makes more sense then his mom being a virgin, him not having a father and him resurrecting from the dead." - JigSaw


I find that hilarious because it's not your theory, you got that idea from another website.
http://www.truthism.com/
(scroll a quarter of the way down and you'll see the same exact pictures he posted)


Back to those pictures, if I drew a picture of some creature I made up and people many many years from now saw it, wouldn't it be silly for them to assume that the creature existed? 100 years from now people aren't going to look at Pokemon and be like "OMG, look at all these aliens that once existed", no, humans have an imagination, they did back than and they do now days (in response to "alien" drawings and paintings).

EDIT: What's incredibly ironic is how you're saying we can't trust the bible but yet you're believing everything you read on a site made by who knows.

I never stole their theory this is my theory, the pics are there's though. There theory is different, although they do mention UFO's in ancient times.

Again, your focusing on the pictures and not the topic in hand which is how Jesus happened to slip through loopholes.

This is why it's almost impossible to discuss it with christians cause they can't focus on the topic on hand. That is why no one can stand christians in todays world

Are you kidding? I've given plenty of responses that didn't deal with the pictures, others in this thread have as well. I've responded to almost everything you've said.

You say it's impossible for God to make a virgin pregnant but yet we can do it today? A woman can have sperm put inside of her without ever having sex and become pregnant. So you're basically saying that man is more powerful than God even though God created man.

This isn't about today its about yesterday when that wasn't possible. Mary didn't go to a sperm bank did she? Not to my knowledge. So she must have done it herself?

Man is more powerful then god at this point in time, man has the power to create and kill mankind. Man makes the rules, man runs the planet, man is incharge not god. God is no where to be found... not saying he doesn't exist but man seems to have the advantage.

I'm not saying she had someone put sperm in her, you're missing the whole point of what I'm saying. I'm just saying that God can do anything, if he created the entire universe and all of us than he sure can make a woman pregnant if he wants. Man is not more powerful than God and there's no proof at all that Man is above God.

Originally posted by JigSaw

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God is no where to be found...

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just because you can't find God doesn't mean that millions of other people haven't found him. And just because humans have dominion currently doesn't mean that God isn't still in charge. Just because He doesn't intervene on regular basis doesn't mean he doesn't know what's going on here.

How do you know god created the universe? I think man is in charge. Man makes religion, man decides who lives who dies, man is in control of every bit of truth and lie that spreads around the world.

If man is not more powerful then god then why can man judge others and decide their fate and whether they are honest or not. Why can man create humans from virgins just like god can? Why can man make rules and bend reality like god can?

If god exists, he must enjoy this a lot. If he had the power he could make everyone believe him but he gave up his power to satan. Here on earth, satan is in control not god. God made the mistake of giving his power away and it cost him big time. That is why man is in charge in todays world and not god. That is why on money it says "in god we trust" when in reality god is not in control, we are. If we have the power to decide whether to be good or evil like god, we can become god.

We can't actually change the laws of the universe. I believe God created the universe because he said so in the Bible.

God wants people to believe him by faith, not because he forces them. Life is a test to see how loyal we are to him and whether or not we will fail that test.

Just because we're in control of our own lives it doesn't make us more powerful than God. And how does man bend reality?

I have the power to choose my fate not god not anyone, only me I'm not going to sit around and wait for him to change my diaper just like we wait for obama to do the things he said or your just another sheeple wasting your power.

People are powerful, most underestimate their own power and give it to others who they think are god and appear as god on tv. You are your own god, if you don't believe it then you might as well be someone else's peasant.

People might say they worship some other god not in this realm, but you have to admit you are not only his peasant but also the peasant of whoever runs your society which is satan himself. You can't worship both at once or your contradicting yourself. That is what is so funny about this all, god and satan are two-faced like us. We are god, we are good and evil, our option not gods.

Originally posted by JigSaw

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Crawldragon,

Nice job filling my mouth with words you completely ignored the point of my post. Where in my posts did I say "YOUR WRONG".

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Originally posted by JigSaw

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First of all this is not a joke. I think there are some serious issues to be looked at regarding Jesus and how he came about. To all the sheep who follow the bible as every word is the truth, think again and do the research and base it on your own logic and multiple sources.

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Now we arrive to what could be a load of nonsense from those who wrote the bible. I honestly do not see how so many people can believe such a story when it makes no logical sense whatsoever (A virgin giving birth with no dad, resurrecting from the dead etc...)

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Whether these illusions where real or not,

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Anyway, what do you think is the real truth? The fact that the bible has been rewritten many times makes me believe they cannot continue holding the lies any longer. Let logic settle in and draw your own conclusions.

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And now our story continues.

Originally posted by JigSaw

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I never said that. I provided you with many facts but you being the person you are ignored them because of my opinion on them.

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The only "fact" in your post is that people painted pictures of circle-shaped objects in the sky. That's all. The rest is just speculation on your part.

Originally posted by JigSaw

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Who cares about the paintings or what I think happened, the point is Jesus had NO father, his mom got pregnant out of the blue, and now people claim he is a god. That is what I'm getting at.

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And what I'm getting at is why would the aliens claim to be God rather than just aliens? To avoid freaking us out? Didn't we already freak out when the aliens produced a pillar of fire out of nowhere, turned water into wine, and resurrected an army of freaking skeletons? In comparison, saying that your race came from the stars is mild.

Perhaps they would have done it because they demanded sacrifice or payment? In that case, why would they then send Jesus, who said that you don't need to make sacrifices or make payment (both of which were demanded later by the Catholic church, which was run by man and not God) in order to earn eternal happiness? No. It just doesn't make sense.

Originally posted by JigSaw

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Again this is my theory, I'm just saying, something like my theory makes more logic then what happened. I could care less who drew the paintings or when they were drew or by who. What I'm saying is Jesus being an alien makes more sense then his mom being a virgin, him not having a father and him resurrecting from the dead.

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If you couldn't care less, why did you use them as evidence? Something about your reaction seems awfully fishy.

Originally posted by JigSaw

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This isn't about today its about yesterday when that wasn't possible. Mary didn't go to a sperm bank did she? Not to my knowledge. So she must have done it herself?

Man is more powerful then god at this point in time

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History is full of very intelligent people who said that. All of them were wrong.
Look at what God made: He made the air, and he made the wind. The wind at this point in time is much more powerful than what man has made, able to knock over strong buildings easily. Just look at what happened in New Orleans. And in spite of all of our sciences and the scientific method and all that crap, man still can't figure out why the Earth is heating up or that it is a temporary change that has been observed throughout history. We don't even come close to God.

Originally posted by JigSaw

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God is no where to be found...

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Maybe you're not looking.

Originally posted by JigSaw

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How do you know god created the universe? I think man is in charge. Man makes religion, man decides who lives who dies, man is in control of every bit of truth and lie that spreads around the world.

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Well, I don't believe he created it.... I believe he organized it, but the semantics of that are pointless. Man does not decide who lives and dies in most cases. More people die of disease, old age or starvation than any directly human cause.

Man does not control truth.... man controls the perception of what is truth. There is a difference.

Originally posted by JigSaw

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If man is not more powerful then god then why can man judge others and decide their fate and whether they are honest or not. Why can man create humans from virgins just like god can? Why can man make rules and bend reality like god can?

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Why can I squish an ant without a fair trial? Because that's the way the world is. That doesn't make you more powerful than God. Nor does it mean you aren't accountable to him after you die. You treat life on earth as the only part that matters.

Like David said, man can't change reality, or bend the laws of physics. We are ruled by those laws.

Originally posted by JigSaw

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If god exists, he must enjoy this a lot. If he had the power he could make everyone believe him but he gave up his power to satan. Here on earth, satan is in control not god. God made the mistake of giving his power away and it cost him big time. That is why man is in charge in todays world and not god. That is why on money it says "in god we trust" when in reality god is not in control, we are. If we have the power to decide whether to be good or evil like god, we can become god.

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and what would that accomplish? Forcing everyone to believe? And the only power God gave up to humans or to Satan was the powe of choice. We are all here and free to choose the life we want to live. That is the only power that God doesn't have over us. He will not force us to choose him. We can choose to live however we want. We can choose to be good or evil, to be like God or to be like Satan. And guess what, Jesus told us to be like God. (Matt 5:48). That is your choice to do, or not to do. But having the freedom to choose does not make you better or higher or more powerful than God.

If God wanted to, he could choose your fate but he chooses not to. Also don't assume that God doesn't have any influence on lives because he does perform miracles when necessary.

We are not our own God, if you worship yourself though that's a serious issue.

Man can't control the weather nor can they prevent everyone from dying, nor can we cure all diseases. We can't travel to another planet, we can't create life, we can't change the laws of gravity. Heck, we can't even accurately predict the weather. We really aren't as powerful as you might think we are.

Originally posted by JigSaw

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I'm not going to sit around and wait for him to change my diaper just like we wait for obama to do the things he said or your just another sheeple wasting your power.

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what does Obama have to do with any of this...

your argument is becoming less and less conherent.