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01-28-14 07:51 AM
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In America, Republicans are the party of Christianity and opposing separation of church and state. But they are also the party of ruthless crony capitalism and leaving the poor to their fates. I believe this is a contradiction of the book they believe. Here are some quotes from the New Testament expressing socialist values.

Matthew 6:24- No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

Matthew 19:21- Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

Matthew 19:23-24- Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

Matthew 25:34-45- (Not going to quote the whole thing because it's long, but the end sums it up: "Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these [brothers and sisters of mine], you did not do for me." You may recognize that line from Stephen Colbert referring to it when answering Rep. Chu's question during his Congressional testimony.)

Luke 3:11- John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”

(Redistribution of wealth, much?)

Luke 6:20, 24- Looking at his disciples, he said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God... But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort.

Acts 20:35- In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’

1 Corinthians 4:7- For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not
(That's right, "you didn't build that" is right there in the Bible. Paul the Apostle said it two millennia before Obama did.)

2 Corinthians 8:13-15- Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality, as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.”

Galatians 5:14- For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

Galatians 6:2- Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

1 Timothy 6:10- For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

James 5:1- Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you.

1 John 3:17- If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?

These show that any true Christian would embrace socialism as carrying out God's will. Jesus himself told followers to give away their possessions and live in poverty. Not only is the conservative refusal to help the poor evil, it's hypocritical.
In America, Republicans are the party of Christianity and opposing separation of church and state. But they are also the party of ruthless crony capitalism and leaving the poor to their fates. I believe this is a contradiction of the book they believe. Here are some quotes from the New Testament expressing socialist values.

Matthew 6:24- No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.

Matthew 19:21- Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

Matthew 19:23-24- Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

Matthew 25:34-45- (Not going to quote the whole thing because it's long, but the end sums it up: "Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these [brothers and sisters of mine], you did not do for me." You may recognize that line from Stephen Colbert referring to it when answering Rep. Chu's question during his Congressional testimony.)

Luke 3:11- John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”

(Redistribution of wealth, much?)

Luke 6:20, 24- Looking at his disciples, he said: “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God... But woe to you who are rich, for you have already received your comfort.

Acts 20:35- In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: ‘It is more blessed to give than to receive.’

1 Corinthians 4:7- For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not
(That's right, "you didn't build that" is right there in the Bible. Paul the Apostle said it two millennia before Obama did.)

2 Corinthians 8:13-15- Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality, as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.”

Galatians 5:14- For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

Galatians 6:2- Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

1 Timothy 6:10- For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

James 5:1- Now listen, you rich people, weep and wail because of the misery that is coming on you.

1 John 3:17- If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?

These show that any true Christian would embrace socialism as carrying out God's will. Jesus himself told followers to give away their possessions and live in poverty. Not only is the conservative refusal to help the poor evil, it's hypocritical.
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I think we need to be careful about Socialism. Socialism leads to communism. Under Communism nobody has rights and nobody can practice religion. North Korea, China, Cuba and Venezuela are communist like countries. People have no rights due to the government controlling everything. 

Now, with all that being said I am a Christian. I do think the top income earners should be doing more to help the poor.  I think if they are making millions a year they should pay more and help the poor. I also think church's could do a better job too. Capitalism in its original format was supposed to be were everybody has a chance to make it and move up the social ladder. However Greed took over. Also I think the Bible warns against a big government.  In Revelation it hints at a one world government. I am not republican or democrat. What I am is a Libertarian who wants the poor to be helped and cared for, but I want government out of our lives.  Also the book of Romans getting back to government hints we should never obey government if it causes us to sin such as denying God. The more important thing is we honor the two greatest commandments. The first Love the Lord with all your heart (accepting Jesus as your savior and loving him). The second love though neighbor. Our neighbor is not just the person that lives around us, but it is the sick, the poor, etc. 
I think we need to be careful about Socialism. Socialism leads to communism. Under Communism nobody has rights and nobody can practice religion. North Korea, China, Cuba and Venezuela are communist like countries. People have no rights due to the government controlling everything. 

Now, with all that being said I am a Christian. I do think the top income earners should be doing more to help the poor.  I think if they are making millions a year they should pay more and help the poor. I also think church's could do a better job too. Capitalism in its original format was supposed to be were everybody has a chance to make it and move up the social ladder. However Greed took over. Also I think the Bible warns against a big government.  In Revelation it hints at a one world government. I am not republican or democrat. What I am is a Libertarian who wants the poor to be helped and cared for, but I want government out of our lives.  Also the book of Romans getting back to government hints we should never obey government if it causes us to sin such as denying God. The more important thing is we honor the two greatest commandments. The first Love the Lord with all your heart (accepting Jesus as your savior and loving him). The second love though neighbor. Our neighbor is not just the person that lives around us, but it is the sick, the poor, etc. 
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a-sassy-black-lady : Just because someone gets more income than others doesn't mean that they love money, like the first verse that you posted. Most of the verses that you listed here are talking about not to put your love in money, not to be greedy with money, and to cultivate social justice to those that are in dire need: the poor, the weak, and the burdened. It is actually putting an emphasis on social justice rather than socialism. You may actually be reading too much into the verse because it's not talking about how the economy should be done. In socialism, those who are of lower income may not necessarily mean they are poor and weak, where most of the verses here are emphasizing helping those in need. You also notice that some of these verses here are talking about the Church watching out for each other, especially the weaker Christians. Whenever they say brothers and sisters, they are referring to believers or those who are a part of them, not just anyone. But the church does have a responsibility to be a beacon for social justice, to share God's love to those in need.

Also keep in mind that the idea of socialism on paper sounds nice, like the redistribution of wealth, but it doesn't practically work. in both an economical establishment and when dealt by sinful and corrupt humans. The weakness of it is that is eliminates the motivation of those who work hard for their income, only to have it redistribute to those who may not work as much or as hard. Some who are greedy or lazy would take advantage of this idea and won't work as hard. When you see the economy of the socialistic countries that don't do free trade, as a whole the countries are worse off compared to those that don't have socialistic economical establishments.
a-sassy-black-lady : Just because someone gets more income than others doesn't mean that they love money, like the first verse that you posted. Most of the verses that you listed here are talking about not to put your love in money, not to be greedy with money, and to cultivate social justice to those that are in dire need: the poor, the weak, and the burdened. It is actually putting an emphasis on social justice rather than socialism. You may actually be reading too much into the verse because it's not talking about how the economy should be done. In socialism, those who are of lower income may not necessarily mean they are poor and weak, where most of the verses here are emphasizing helping those in need. You also notice that some of these verses here are talking about the Church watching out for each other, especially the weaker Christians. Whenever they say brothers and sisters, they are referring to believers or those who are a part of them, not just anyone. But the church does have a responsibility to be a beacon for social justice, to share God's love to those in need.

Also keep in mind that the idea of socialism on paper sounds nice, like the redistribution of wealth, but it doesn't practically work. in both an economical establishment and when dealt by sinful and corrupt humans. The weakness of it is that is eliminates the motivation of those who work hard for their income, only to have it redistribute to those who may not work as much or as hard. Some who are greedy or lazy would take advantage of this idea and won't work as hard. When you see the economy of the socialistic countries that don't do free trade, as a whole the countries are worse off compared to those that don't have socialistic economical establishments.
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It's okay to have a lot of money, just don't make it your master. Abraham was rich, but he did not serve money as his master. Neither did Solomon (till later in life) he asked God for wisdom, so, God gave him wisdom, wealth, and peace from his enemies. Job was also a rich man. Because he did not curse God in all his misery, God restored double to him of what Satan took away.

Riches are also portrayed as blessing in the Bible- God would not bless us with something that he thinks is evil.

We just aren't supposed to be greedy, but generous givers.

The more money you have, the more money you can give.

It's okay to have a lot of money, just don't make it your master. Abraham was rich, but he did not serve money as his master. Neither did Solomon (till later in life) he asked God for wisdom, so, God gave him wisdom, wealth, and peace from his enemies. Job was also a rich man. Because he did not curse God in all his misery, God restored double to him of what Satan took away.

Riches are also portrayed as blessing in the Bible- God would not bless us with something that he thinks is evil.

We just aren't supposed to be greedy, but generous givers.

The more money you have, the more money you can give.
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Harashoo, my fellow Christian comrades. As you might have known, I am both a Christian and a left winger but I prefer to keep the religion out of my politics and the politics out of my religion.

(But may the power Christ guide the struggle of the proletariat against the capitalist and the bourgeois exploitation and towards the glorious revolution.)
Harashoo, my fellow Christian comrades. As you might have known, I am both a Christian and a left winger but I prefer to keep the religion out of my politics and the politics out of my religion.

(But may the power Christ guide the struggle of the proletariat against the capitalist and the bourgeois exploitation and towards the glorious revolution.)
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Considering you study scripture I find it strange to see you say someone is reading too much into it.
And I would point out, whether or not socialis is effective is irrelevant. The main issue here is does the Bible endorse it. And it evidently does.
The point of giving your spare shirt is a perfect example. Having a 2nd shirt doesn't signify you are even outside of poverty, yet you are to share with those who have none.
Additionally Very few of those verses refer to the poor as brothers or sisters, nor do those few specify that it means relation through faith, you are simply making that assumption.

"“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’"
Theres a key word, stranger.
No details, least of all faith.

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

And yet jesus calls them all his family.

A few quotes could be explained away, but the Bible is awash with more like these, that is too much ignore.
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Considering you study scripture I find it strange to see you say someone is reading too much into it.
And I would point out, whether or not socialis is effective is irrelevant. The main issue here is does the Bible endorse it. And it evidently does.
The point of giving your spare shirt is a perfect example. Having a 2nd shirt doesn't signify you are even outside of poverty, yet you are to share with those who have none.
Additionally Very few of those verses refer to the poor as brothers or sisters, nor do those few specify that it means relation through faith, you are simply making that assumption.

"“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’"
Theres a key word, stranger.
No details, least of all faith.

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

And yet jesus calls them all his family.

A few quotes could be explained away, but the Bible is awash with more like these, that is too much ignore.
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a-sassy-black-lady :

The Republicans are not "the party of Christianity" nor are they "opposing separation of church and state". You should probably figure out the Republican position before applying it to all Christians. You seem to regularly post things that are heavily biased and ignorant. Why? Does it amuse you to simply insult what you dislike? You are a confusing character...

However, I'll actually answer your question, regardless of your mindlessness.

Christianity is in no way attached to a particular government style. Christians way back in the day intentionally did not participate in government (although by no means was that a tenant of Christianity). Jesus also is quoted multiple times in scripture talking about how his kingdom is not of this world. Therefore, the strongest position Christianity really has on political systems is "whatever allows Christians to be Christians".

It may be debated if evangelization is a requirement of "allowing Christians to be Christians", but that wasn't your question.
a-sassy-black-lady :

The Republicans are not "the party of Christianity" nor are they "opposing separation of church and state". You should probably figure out the Republican position before applying it to all Christians. You seem to regularly post things that are heavily biased and ignorant. Why? Does it amuse you to simply insult what you dislike? You are a confusing character...

However, I'll actually answer your question, regardless of your mindlessness.

Christianity is in no way attached to a particular government style. Christians way back in the day intentionally did not participate in government (although by no means was that a tenant of Christianity). Jesus also is quoted multiple times in scripture talking about how his kingdom is not of this world. Therefore, the strongest position Christianity really has on political systems is "whatever allows Christians to be Christians".

It may be debated if evangelization is a requirement of "allowing Christians to be Christians", but that wasn't your question.
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Blah, religion is really unnecessary in my opinion. It just creates hate and intolerance in society since it came to be. And, slowly but surely, we as a world are becoming more aware that religion is just crazy. It contradicts itself. I understand the general message of it though, and that is fine. But everything else is just crazy. Numbers don't lie, and the bible and all other like religions tell of many crazy things. But yes, the message, just live peacefully. Help those that are truly in need. Be kind and respectful to your fellow human brothers and sisters. We all came from one place, we all started from the same somewhere. We all have loved ones and friends. We all know pain and sadness.  We all struggle and strive. So we should all just be good in general towards one another. And so on and so forth. I could go all day but wont. That's just a part of my two cents in my unlimited piggy bank of wisdom and wisdom to come. Love you all, sometimes. Ha ha.
Blah, religion is really unnecessary in my opinion. It just creates hate and intolerance in society since it came to be. And, slowly but surely, we as a world are becoming more aware that religion is just crazy. It contradicts itself. I understand the general message of it though, and that is fine. But everything else is just crazy. Numbers don't lie, and the bible and all other like religions tell of many crazy things. But yes, the message, just live peacefully. Help those that are truly in need. Be kind and respectful to your fellow human brothers and sisters. We all came from one place, we all started from the same somewhere. We all have loved ones and friends. We all know pain and sadness.  We all struggle and strive. So we should all just be good in general towards one another. And so on and so forth. I could go all day but wont. That's just a part of my two cents in my unlimited piggy bank of wisdom and wisdom to come. Love you all, sometimes. Ha ha.
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