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07-04-13 02:30 PM
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I would cover world news but "thenumberone", "Pray75", and countless others are doing great jobs.
Check out their threads for good news updates it is getting very interesting in this end of the forum.

Back to Nerd News..

"Atlus" may be in trouble according to another "nerd news reporter" you can find on youtube.
He says that They are about 250 million in debt and apparently going bankrupt.
They have made many great games.
Titles include...
-"Guilty Gear"-
-"Catherine"-
-"Persona"-
-"Dark Souls"-
-"Desgea"-
-"Shin Megami Tensei"-
And Countless others.
They could get bought-out like "Lucas Arts" or "Edios" did by another company but nothing is certain yet.
Their titles could get bought-out like "T.H.Q." did with various other companies.

Yet still, this could be the end for another great giant in the game world.
Hopefully not.

Respond if you want. Pop up another thread if you wish to "take the story by the horns" yourself. I care not. It is up to you guys on this.
Just decided to cover a story that may not be depressing compared to the real news in the world today.
Good Luck To All.
I'm done. Stick a fork in me.
Peace.

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I would cover world news but "thenumberone", "Pray75", and countless others are doing great jobs.
Check out their threads for good news updates it is getting very interesting in this end of the forum.

Back to Nerd News..

"Atlus" may be in trouble according to another "nerd news reporter" you can find on youtube.
He says that They are about 250 million in debt and apparently going bankrupt.
They have made many great games.
Titles include...
-"Guilty Gear"-
-"Catherine"-
-"Persona"-
-"Dark Souls"-
-"Desgea"-
-"Shin Megami Tensei"-
And Countless others.
They could get bought-out like "Lucas Arts" or "Edios" did by another company but nothing is certain yet.
Their titles could get bought-out like "T.H.Q." did with various other companies.

Yet still, this could be the end for another great giant in the game world.
Hopefully not.

Respond if you want. Pop up another thread if you wish to "take the story by the horns" yourself. I care not. It is up to you guys on this.
Just decided to cover a story that may not be depressing compared to the real news in the world today.
Good Luck To All.
I'm done. Stick a fork in me.
Peace.

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Uh, you do know that any company could get bought out at any time, right? How is this one any more special than others like maybe SEGA or Capcom? (No, I don't want you listing games) Is there an actual competitor saying they're ready to buy them or something, or is it paranoia claims?

Listing out ALL the information would be appreciated for future threads.

PS : Can't watch the link, bad connection currently.
Uh, you do know that any company could get bought out at any time, right? How is this one any more special than others like maybe SEGA or Capcom? (No, I don't want you listing games) Is there an actual competitor saying they're ready to buy them or something, or is it paranoia claims?

Listing out ALL the information would be appreciated for future threads.

PS : Can't watch the link, bad connection currently.
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That doesn't really affect me, the only games that I have played of theirs are Persona, and the only one of those I really enjoyed was Persona 3 FES.

That doesn't really affect me, the only games that I have played of theirs are Persona, and the only one of those I really enjoyed was Persona 3 FES.

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ender44 :
You might be right about Atlus not affecting the current game market.
...........
(Thought a bout it.) No, you couldn't be more wrong.

The current trend with developers is providing less game and asking for more money.
You might be Okay with paying $60.00 dollars for a 4 hour adventure, But many of us still like to get at least 20 to 60 hours out of that price.

If there is no competition? Then the current developers will do what ever they want.
If there is Monopoly to be had it will be had with an iron fist. (Mark my words on that.)

We already have F.P.S. games that barely clear the 4 to 6 hour mark (Like "Homefront").
And
We already have Fighting games that barely give you 2 hours of experience (Like "Soul Calibur 5").
If you want to give up your rent money for less then go ahead and give it up.
But please do not tell people that less competition could ever be a good thing for consumers ever again.
"Atlus" at least gave a good Ten hours of fun bare minimum. At max? 1000 hours.
I like for my games to last a week at least. A good company that did that at the bare minimum going under can never be a good sign for the rest of us consumers.
Try to keep that in mind.
I wish you luck on your journey. Thank you for the feedback. It was nice to respond to another on this matter.
Good Luck To All.
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ender44 :
You might be right about Atlus not affecting the current game market.
...........
(Thought a bout it.) No, you couldn't be more wrong.

The current trend with developers is providing less game and asking for more money.
You might be Okay with paying $60.00 dollars for a 4 hour adventure, But many of us still like to get at least 20 to 60 hours out of that price.

If there is no competition? Then the current developers will do what ever they want.
If there is Monopoly to be had it will be had with an iron fist. (Mark my words on that.)

We already have F.P.S. games that barely clear the 4 to 6 hour mark (Like "Homefront").
And
We already have Fighting games that barely give you 2 hours of experience (Like "Soul Calibur 5").
If you want to give up your rent money for less then go ahead and give it up.
But please do not tell people that less competition could ever be a good thing for consumers ever again.
"Atlus" at least gave a good Ten hours of fun bare minimum. At max? 1000 hours.
I like for my games to last a week at least. A good company that did that at the bare minimum going under can never be a good sign for the rest of us consumers.
Try to keep that in mind.
I wish you luck on your journey. Thank you for the feedback. It was nice to respond to another on this matter.
Good Luck To All.
Peace.
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orionfoxgibson : Not once did I say that it would be a good thing. I said that their games didn't leave an impact on me, and I didn't really care for them.

I also never said that it wouldn't affect the game market, you must be reading some other response.

Even with Atlus gone, its not like there is no more competition in gaming, there always will be.
orionfoxgibson : Not once did I say that it would be a good thing. I said that their games didn't leave an impact on me, and I didn't really care for them.

I also never said that it wouldn't affect the game market, you must be reading some other response.

Even with Atlus gone, its not like there is no more competition in gaming, there always will be.
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ender44 :
"There Will Always be Competition"???
That is a bold statement to make.
Remember "Rare"???
Good talk.
Good Luck.
Peace.
ender44 :
"There Will Always be Competition"???
That is a bold statement to make.
Remember "Rare"???
Good talk.
Good Luck.
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orionfoxgibson : Um... Rare is still going. As a clear mistreated slave to Microsoft. However, they are making little to no impact to the point where they don't matter any more.
orionfoxgibson : Um... Rare is still going. As a clear mistreated slave to Microsoft. However, they are making little to no impact to the point where they don't matter any more.
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orionfoxgibson : I have a question concerning this thread.What is Atlus?.I ask this because I sort of think this is spam.If you do soemthing like this again, can you please define Atlus?
orionfoxgibson : I have a question concerning this thread.What is Atlus?.I ask this because I sort of think this is spam.If you do soemthing like this again, can you please define Atlus?
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dennyjr22 : They make games. This is news that they might be gone from now on.
Try reading the posts before you react.
dennyjr22 : They make games. This is news that they might be gone from now on.
Try reading the posts before you react.
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Tails the Fox : Can you please change the text of your post?It is hard to read, no offense, but can you please can your text?It may also be hard to read to some other users, too.
Tails the Fox : Can you please change the text of your post?It is hard to read, no offense, but can you please can your text?It may also be hard to read to some other users, too.
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Pretty much unless you're not big on games being made by Atlus, that can mark a big issue with gamers that plays games that Atlus made.
For me, I don't play much of any Atlus games so it won't affect me at any way.

dennyjr22 : I don't have a problem reading Tail's text, it's clear to my point of view.
Pretty much unless you're not big on games being made by Atlus, that can mark a big issue with gamers that plays games that Atlus made.
For me, I don't play much of any Atlus games so it won't affect me at any way.

dennyjr22 : I don't have a problem reading Tail's text, it's clear to my point of view.
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"Tails"??
Rare is practically gone.
"Igor"??
Trust me when I say that the price of modern games did not hike until the playstation 3 and the x-box 360 came out. Yes there where a few changes in price in the previous console generations.
But now?
There are so few developers that the price oddly went up. Instead of down due to customer base increase.
What that means is the fewer the competitors? The greater the price regardless of how many people buy.
That said?
It Means that any company can get money back even if the game is crap.
It is called monopoly.
And I do not like the current practices and trends.
They are working to death outside developers and firing the crew.
Then turnaround and make a profit off of other peoples work.
What they are doing is cornering the Market on credits that are due with quality. Avoiding the complaints. Then pointing the finger to others.
It is not hard to see.
Take "Devil May Cry 5" for example.
I did.
The results are plain as day.
Good Luck.
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"Tails"??
Rare is practically gone.
"Igor"??
Trust me when I say that the price of modern games did not hike until the playstation 3 and the x-box 360 came out. Yes there where a few changes in price in the previous console generations.
But now?
There are so few developers that the price oddly went up. Instead of down due to customer base increase.
What that means is the fewer the competitors? The greater the price regardless of how many people buy.
That said?
It Means that any company can get money back even if the game is crap.
It is called monopoly.
And I do not like the current practices and trends.
They are working to death outside developers and firing the crew.
Then turnaround and make a profit off of other peoples work.
What they are doing is cornering the Market on credits that are due with quality. Avoiding the complaints. Then pointing the finger to others.
It is not hard to see.
Take "Devil May Cry 5" for example.
I did.
The results are plain as day.
Good Luck.
Peace.
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Tails the Fox :
IgorBird122 : Since Orion apparently didn't want to properly address either of you...

Anyways "Rare is practically dead"? Not really. Between the Xbox Original and the 360, they've released 11 games, be it sequels or new IPs. They have also rereleased 3 past titles onto the Xbox Market. Not to mention they announced the fact they will be releasing a new game for the Xbox One as well.

To show you how that means they "aren't dead", let's take a look at the group Naughty Dog, whom happen to be owned by Sony: Between the PS2 and PS3, they have released 7 games (eight if you count the Jak and Daxter HD Collection as separate from the originals) and rereleased 4 onto the PS Network.

Looking at ratios, it's 14:11. The difference all comes to the ratings their games get.

Also, bringing DmC Devil May Cry in as a "bad example"? Really? Have you even PLAYED the game? I have, and just for reference, I have trashed the game BEFORE ITS RELEASE both here and on a different forum. But then I decided to play it to see just how badly they ruined the franchise. And to my surprise, the game was actually MODERATELY GOOD. The actual story, character development, and overall gameplay made it seem so much better than what I thought, I would have gone out of my way to actually APOLOGIZE to Ninja Theory and Capcom for how I pre-judged it.

Also, "so few developers"? No. Not even close. There just seems like there are "so few developers" now because only large franchised titles are advertised while everyone else is left hoping they get even a tiny little corner of something like Game Informer. In fact, if you look at how many developers there are now, compared to some time like the Dreamcast era, you'd be shocked at the increase. But again, their games aren't as advertised because they aren't "main publishers".

The price went up due to a little thing called "Inflation", not "customer based interest". Inflation impacts the price of nearly EVERYTHING, not just Video Games, to come to your surprise. Want proof? World War 2 itself essentially was created due to it (mass inflation occured, Hitler blamed the jews, rest is basic history).

I know you still want to "ignore" me, but on the off chance you do read and respond, what ever I didn't reply to I just simply didn't understand because of your odd wordings.
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IgorBird122 : Since Orion apparently didn't want to properly address either of you...

Anyways "Rare is practically dead"? Not really. Between the Xbox Original and the 360, they've released 11 games, be it sequels or new IPs. They have also rereleased 3 past titles onto the Xbox Market. Not to mention they announced the fact they will be releasing a new game for the Xbox One as well.

To show you how that means they "aren't dead", let's take a look at the group Naughty Dog, whom happen to be owned by Sony: Between the PS2 and PS3, they have released 7 games (eight if you count the Jak and Daxter HD Collection as separate from the originals) and rereleased 4 onto the PS Network.

Looking at ratios, it's 14:11. The difference all comes to the ratings their games get.

Also, bringing DmC Devil May Cry in as a "bad example"? Really? Have you even PLAYED the game? I have, and just for reference, I have trashed the game BEFORE ITS RELEASE both here and on a different forum. But then I decided to play it to see just how badly they ruined the franchise. And to my surprise, the game was actually MODERATELY GOOD. The actual story, character development, and overall gameplay made it seem so much better than what I thought, I would have gone out of my way to actually APOLOGIZE to Ninja Theory and Capcom for how I pre-judged it.

Also, "so few developers"? No. Not even close. There just seems like there are "so few developers" now because only large franchised titles are advertised while everyone else is left hoping they get even a tiny little corner of something like Game Informer. In fact, if you look at how many developers there are now, compared to some time like the Dreamcast era, you'd be shocked at the increase. But again, their games aren't as advertised because they aren't "main publishers".

The price went up due to a little thing called "Inflation", not "customer based interest". Inflation impacts the price of nearly EVERYTHING, not just Video Games, to come to your surprise. Want proof? World War 2 itself essentially was created due to it (mass inflation occured, Hitler blamed the jews, rest is basic history).

I know you still want to "ignore" me, but on the off chance you do read and respond, what ever I didn't reply to I just simply didn't understand because of your odd wordings.
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MegaRevolution1 : I completely agree with (and mostly already knew) your points. I still feel that DmC was a complete flop, but of course someone has to like it. I actually didn't know that rare had made 11 games for the Xbox and 360. The only game I can think of is Conker Live and Reloaded. What are the others?
MegaRevolution1 : I completely agree with (and mostly already knew) your points. I still feel that DmC was a complete flop, but of course someone has to like it. I actually didn't know that rare had made 11 games for the Xbox and 360. The only game I can think of is Conker Live and Reloaded. What are the others?
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