Oldschool41 : I do believe you are right. I love Alfred Hitchcock lol There was also a song by my person favorite band about him (Dead Skin Mask by Slayer)

XxEzraxX : Yeah Hitchcock had some good movies; although the guy was also a little crazy.

Oldschool41 :
XxEzreaxX:


Guys, you two are really beginning to sandwich post pretty badly. Just a friend giving a little precautionary warning. :x

Sairek Ceareste : sorry we got caught up in the conversation lol. I'll stop posting on this thread for the rest of the night.

XxEzraxX :
Oldschool41 :
Sairek Ceareste:
Singelli :

I have a fun little challenge for everyone, including myself. INstead of sandwich posting, why don't we all pick one specific serial killer. Kind of like, doing our homework for the sake of making this thread a little more detailed. And we can find, in our own personal opinion, which serial killer you think it the most disturbed. We can then can discuss reasons we think they ended up becoming a serial killer. You don't HAVE to do this but I thought it would be something fun and interesting for all of us to do.

SunflowerGaming : Hey that is an awesome idea! Can I have Manson?!?! lol

XxEzraxX : Yes you can do research on Manson. I'm going to take Jack the Ripper. So it will be a few days before I post my reply. I want to get as much information as possible.

Anyone else want to have a specific person to research, just let us know who that is so we don't get two people researching the same individual.

While I appreciate the suggestion Sunflower, I'm sorry.. I just don't have the time to do something like that.  Maybe if you remember and ask me in the summer, I can do it. I doubt you will be interested by then though.  LOL

SunflowerGaming : lol sweet thank you, I will take some time on this one as well. I know quite a bit already but I have some refreshing to do and some knowledge to gain that I may not have known before

I'll have to pass on this suggestion...

I literally don't have the power to stomach that kind of behavior. Having to study and take a zero in school on Albert Fish was bad enough...

Okay Charles Manson, I went and skimmed through the book Helter Skelter (all about Manson written by Vincent Bugliosi [the detective of the Manson case] and Curt Gentry [just a writer there is no significance to him in this case]) and here is some information that I have concluded:

Charles Manson (born November 12, 1934 [age 77] Cincinnati, OH [ha I live in Cincinnati]) has to be one of the first of cases where a man was charged with murder, without ever even notably murdering anybody. Manson or Jesus Christ as some people called him, was a cult leader from the 60's called The Family. He tended to pick up mostly girls, and anybody who felt alienated by society like he has been. Manson has a very large criminal record, even before the murder charges. Manson's first charges consisted of:
                           Burglarizing a grocery store (a few of them actually)
                           Escaped from Indianapolis Juvenile center, and was captured soon after
                           Escaped a Boys Town with another boy and committed armed robberies on their way to the boys uncles
                           Escaped in 1951 from Indianapolis Boys School with two other boys
                           The three of them were caught in Utah driving stolen vehicles on their way to California
                           On the way to California they robbed several gas stations

Mansons first imprisonment was in October 1951 and was recommended by a Psychiatrist. He was then transferred to National Bridge Honor Camp (a maximum security institution) where he took a razor blade and held it against another boys throat while sodomizing him, and that was less than a month before his parole hearing (February 1952). But I suppose his early imprisonment is not as important as his later actions with The Family (and believe me there was more than just one imprisonment).

Most of the victims of The Family were rich or in some way a celebrity. The first real slayings were violent, and had strange words like piggies, or healter skealter written on the walls in the victims blood. The list of victims is many and consists of:
1. Gary Allen Hinman (December 24, 1936 - July 31, 1969) a music teacher, paw prints were placed next to the words "political piggies" in the blood of Gary to make it seem like the black panthers had committed the murder. Official cause of death stab wound to the chest.
2. Sharon Marie Tate (January 24, 1943 - August 9. 1969) an actress who at the time of death was pregnant. It was said that the family members intended to cut the baby out from her but was never performed. The words "Healter Skelter" and " Piggies" were written on the door and refrigerator.
3. Abigail Anne Folger (August 11, 1943 - August 9, 1969) Heir to the Folger Coffee company, she was a guest at Sharon Tates home (10050 Cielo Drive) the night of the murders along with a few others.
4. Voytek Frykowski (December 22, 1936 - August 9, 1969) a textile printer who lost his business during the Nazi occupation of Poland during World War II, he was also present at the Tate resident.
5. Steven Earl Parent (February 12, 1951 - August 9, 1969) I couldn't really find much on him, but he was also present at the Tate resident.
6. Thomas J. Kummer aka Jay Sebring (October 10, 1933 - August 9, 1969) he became famous for his hairstyles and would go on to make an amazing career out of it, he was also present at the Tate resident.
7. Paul Richard Polanski (was never born - August 10, 1969) the unborn child of Sharon Tate and director Roman Polanski.
8. Leno LaBianca (August 6, 1925 - August 9, 1969) he had no real role in anything, he was not famous or a celebrity he was chosen for death so that the cops and detectives would be thrown off track. The word "war" was carved in his stomach.
9. Rosemary LaBianca (December 15, 1930 - August 10, 1969) was married to Leno and was killed at the same location as her husband.
10. Ronald Hughes (March 16, 1935 - November 1970) was the attorney for Leslie Van Houten during the murder trails, and when he wouldn't cooperate with the Manson girls and say that they were the ones who were responsible and not Manson disappeared shortly after. His decomposing body was found four months later near the Sespe Hot Springs.
11. George Spahn (February 11, 1889 - September 22, 1974) he was the owner of a place called Spahn Ranch, which was used as a refuge for the Manson family.

The amazing and fascinating part of Manson and his family is that the family themselves treated Manson as if he were God. They often referred to him as Jesus Christ or JC. He managed to brainwash his followers (mostly the girls) with the use of LSD, he got inside of their heads and reprogrammed them to do what he had wanted. It was said that he often controlled when they took a hit of LSD and how many and when they where to have sex even an orgy if he willed it, and he would control the whole thing, telling people who would be in it who would do what with who etc. It amazes me how much control this one man had over this group of people.

There may be more to be added at some point, I just kind of feel like I went a little overboard with this post XP