DM: How am I being ignorant and dissrespectful against science?

geeo: that's not what im saying, I'm saying that most scientists do not have the intention of proving some theory but of disproving the Bible.
You've never said that you hide your religion?
"And I know you're having trouble figuring out what religion I follow. It's more fun that way."
Not telling me what religion you are even though I ask is pretty much hiding it from me. And you not respecting religions although you know you should shows me what to expect of you in the future.

Neyro: Well I believe that the devil created evolution as a machine to drive people away from God, and it seems to me, and almost everyone I know, that people trying to prove the big bang and thories like that do it just to disprove the existence of a God or gods.
And about God and the Big Bang going together: NO
It doesn't work, they can't go together. They contradict each other. If you really want to get me started on why they don't go together then get ready for a lecture.
Also, God created the universe mature, how else would stars so many light years away be visible right when He created the earth. Evidence that He created the earth mature is that He created Adam as a man, and not as a baby or child. He made animals fully grown and such.
And as for your final note, if the Bible is just a record of what people knew and/or thought at the time, then how does it still apply? Everything that is said in the Bible applies. It says that without love and discipline, your children will rebel. So many facts are stated in the Bible, to say it is coincidence is not logical. It can be hard to believe it for some people, though, because it contains psuedoscience, which is, as said before, things illogical to the human mind, for the human mind cannot comprehend it.

Originally posted by Neyro

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Trying to disprove the Bible? That's news to me. I, personally, thought they were trying to prove the theory they were trying to prove. I.E. the Big Bang.
And who says it can't follow the Bible?
For example:
Perhaps God was the one who created that tiny spec of immense concentrated energy, or it was there, and he caused it to go bang. Maybe he was the one that formed everything. Who knows?

On the subject of one's religion... Knowledge is a blessing, and a curse. Knowledge is power, and power corrupts.
When one states something about him/herself, with it comes stereotypes that instantly come to the hearer's mind. These may or may not stay. Geeogree is not hiding anything, he simply does not see the need (I hope I'm interpreting this right) to say it out loud, and rather have you figure it out.

Final note:
It may or may not be true that the Bible does contain the science of God.
But maybe all this is just what the people knew/though at the time, during the writing?

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You never asked me what religion I follow.... you simply stated that you are having trouble figuring out what religion I follow. No asking there. If you had asked I would have told you. I'm not hiding anything. And when did I disrespect a religion? You are accusing me of a whole lot without a whole lot to back it up that I can see.

Take away religion and throw away science... then and only then is when you will find out who god really is. God does not have boundries, religion and science do, that is why space and god are such a mystery. Until you break down the gates blocking you from venturing further you will never find truth.

Here's what I'm saying. You can sit here on earth wondering what the moon is made of. Some might say it's made of cheese. The only real way to find out is escape the boundries and find out for yourself.

Science is knowledge to mankind while religion is belief, if you mix the two together they go in opposite directions. While some things might match hand in hand, the supernatural sure wont match up and that is why there is no real way to prove Gods existence until you toss what is holding you back. Religion is used to fill the gap in science vise versa. I guess some people can use science and religion to lead them to God.

But when both science and religion meet at the end of the road, you can toss them both out the trash because you will lay before God making both religion and science useless. There is no way for science nor religion to actually meet at the end of the line because if they did, both would be useless and that is why many can dispute that God doesn't exist. That is also why I believe many can view themselves as God because technically they are. They have the ability to create & kill, produce lies or project truth.

People can believe what they want about you they can also provide scientific facts about you but only you truely know who you really are. When you know everything you become a god. But here's the catch, since we do not know everything scientifically about ourselves and our surroundings we are not god. God doesn't need creation, he is creation. Coming full circle, when you die the creations called science and religion no longer exist as you are in gods realm where there are no rules, no science, no religion, your his creation.

Originally posted by 2dnoodleman

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Neyro: Well I believe that the devil created evolution as a machine to drive people away from God....He created Adam as a man, and not as a baby or child. He made animals fully grown and such.

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Okay, I've been meaning to ask this of a priest, or someone, because quite frankly, it makes no sense to me.

God says Incest is bad.
God created Adam and Eve.
They gave birth.
Then how do you continue the line without incest?

Originally posted by 2dnoodleman

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DM: How am I being ignorant and dissrespectful against science?

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Originally posted by 2dnoodleman

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I'm saying that most scientists do not have the intention of proving some theory but of disproving the Bible.

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That's where you're being ignorant and disrespectful of science.

Most scientist is out to learn more about the world, not disprove the bible. That is merely an effect of the research, not the main intended result.

Neyro: could you point out somewhere in the Bible where it says incest is bad?

ok sorry i haven't been on in a while... been playing alot of frisbee and i am usually too tired to get on. anyway... btw not trying to sound mean or anything to anyone, nor am I trying to offend anyone.

geeo:
"You never asked me what religion I follow.... you simply stated that you are having trouble figuring out what religion I follow. No asking there. If you had asked I would have told you. I'm not hiding anything. And when did I disrespect a religion? You are accusing me of a whole lot without a whole lot to back it up that I can see."

I thought that it was self explainitory to say what your religion is after I said that. Over the internet, things get interpreted wrong sometimes.
You said you should respect religions but you don't have to.
Before you say I don't have anything to back my statements up you whould wait until I respond.

Neyro:
"Okay, I've been meaning to ask this of a priest, or someone, because quite frankly, it makes no sense to me.

God says Incest is bad.
God created Adam and Eve.
They gave birth.
Then how do you continue the line without incest?"

At first it wasn't bad, then it became bad later on. It is bad to have sex within your family but now everyone else isn't considered your family.

DM:
"That's where you're being ignorant and disrespectful of science.

Most scientist is out to learn more about the world, not disprove the bible. That is merely an effect of the research, not the main intended result."

There are some scientists out there just trying to disprove God with theories and such. Whether most scientists have that intention or most don't doesn't matter quite as much, as long as there are many out there who do have that intention.

JS: Nicely said.

2d: don't assume.... we know what that makes you And you still haven't asked me so I'm not going to answer. When you actually get around to asking me I'll tell you.

I already said.... people should be respectful of religion.... it should happen, but it doesn't. That's all I'm saying.

People are assuming i can't disprove their arguement, which is most likely a false assumption. Now for the moment of truth:

Geeo, what is your religion?

lol

wow, you finally asked! That's so awesome of you.

I'm a Mormon.

I'm sorry geeogree, but the moment you said that, I flashed back to a sketch by Eddie Izzard and one of the Biritsh Kings.
"What are you, a bloody mormon?!"

Anyways,

Noodledude. I have a quick question first.
What is the meaning of the following phrase: "It's easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to gain entrance into Heaven. Not sure were, but that's a quote from the Bible.
You also didn't quite answer my question.
Okay, so it's bad to have sex with your family.
I.E. We're all the damned offspring of Adam and Eve.
And yes, if Adam and Eve were real, we ARE all family. If not distant. So, brother, we are all the creations of Incest.
Fun thought.

Final Thing:
Now I mean nothing by this. Just a mere question. Take nothing of it, and don't flame me for it.

Do you believe that Slavery is a good thing?

Geeo: I thought you were, hence your thread about mormons, lol.

Neyro: That is a common reference from the Bible. It can be hard to understand sometimes. Jesus said, “It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God” (Matthew 19:24. Similar verses are in Mark 10:25 and Luke 18:25). The Bible talks about giving up materialistic things all the time. Therefore, if you are rich, you probably don't want to give up materials, and if you do want to, then you probably will. If a man goes through his whole life with greed, he probably will not gain entrance to Heaven.

Yes we are all family, but I'm talking about your inner family, like your brother, your mother, your great grandfather, etc. Having sex with your inner family is wrong.

Mark: Here is where it is most clearly stated.
Leviticus 18:6 (New International Version)
6 " 'No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD.' "

Alright. However, this still means that Adam and Eve have damned us all.

For how do you continue the line after Adam And Eve, as said before?

Sure they had 50+ children, but any relations between any of them is still incest.

Thus, I reiterate.
We are the products of incest.

Also, you didn't answer my last question.

Neyro: the best explanation I've heard is that the genetic code was better 6000 years ago. There were fewer mutations and changes back then compared to now. Over time that has changed and now to reproduce with a close family member causes problems.

I don't know of any other explanation. But yes, the Christian world view (and any others with an Adam and Eve type story) starts with incest.

Neyro: Back when the world was created, incest was not bad, up until after people began starting their own families was it bad.(not sure exactly when it became bad but it did after people began their own families) Yes we are all family but notice that is says CLOSE relative, as in inner family:

Leviticus 18:6 (New International Version)
6 " 'No one is to approach any close relative to have sexual relations. I am the LORD.' "

That is how I would explain it.

Adam and Eve were a family.
How is Cain, excuse the phrasing, bumping uglies with Eve not considered Incest?
And doesn't the Bible outline Creation-Now?
Thus all of it's laws applies for all-time.
Am I wrong?

And you STILL have yet to answer my question, Noodle.
Do you think Slavery is a good thing?

I think he means incest among siblings, cousins... not parent, child.... although there is that in the bible too. 2 daughters of some guy had sex with him on succesive nights in order to get pregnant and continue the family line.

Slavery is bad...

anyway, Incest isn't considered bad if it is neccessary to continue the human race, is it?

that is arguable.... just like killing someone is justifiable if it is the only way to protect your life or the life of someone else... it's not likely that it would come to that but you could make that argument

Originally posted by 2dnoodleman

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Slavery is bad...

anyway, Incest isn't considered bad if it is neccessary to continue the human race, is it?

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It's bad?
But the Bible disagrees, specifically in Exodus and Leviticus, describes and tells you how to properly take care of your slave. it doesn't condone it at all. I'd even go out on a limb to say it supports it.

It even tells you about the practice of sex slavery and selling your daughter.

So, incest is okay then.
Because it doesn't matter how far out you go, we're all still born from the same 2 parents: Adam and Eve.
So any sexual relationship between anyone is still incest-orientated.
Thus, we're just continuing the race.