If God forgives, then why are their 10 commandments?

When Adam ate the forbidden fruit why did God not forgive him?

Is Adam suppose to be the devil?

If thou shall not steal is correct, does that mean all Americans are going to hell for stealing other peoples land?

If the world was made in 6 days and the 7th day is used for rest, why is there 1 extra day off known as saturday?

Why does the second commandment state laws? This makes me think it's government related.

Why would God punish? Isn't he nice?

The ten commandments come off rude and make god sound mean as hell. I think god is two faced just like every other human. We have the abulity to love and to hate, so that would make heaven and hell, god & the devil the same entity.

It says if I misuse Gods name I will be punished for it. I say godammit a lot in my life so am I gonna go to hell for this?

If one cannot desire to have anothers wife or belongings, does that make ebay or escort services the devils work?

If one gets married and they get divorced, do they both go to hell cause it clearly states TILL DEATH DUE US PART?

How was god born? Why didn't he explain anything about him or how he made us.

To me heaven simply means life, hell means death. Those too words are referring to reality not life after death. The creator of all life is a god, which is two faced, half portraying lightness and the other half being darkness. Ever heard the term living hell? That just proves the thought of heaven and hell is mearly talking about life and death (just a theory).

To me... it seems like the government itself is the devil. Lieing, cheating, stealing, killing, and creating laws...

And what the heck is up with money... That saying In God We Trust! For some reason that phrase is very fishy. They believe in God yet disobey every commandment and create their own. They could have put in God we believe but no they put Trust! This makes me think religion is a scam cooked up by the elite who want to control this world. Government wants our trust not god.

Government is God, wants to be God, or is the devil itself. Government controls your fate if any laws or commandments are broken you will be punished. They want you to trust in them by using misleading media and imaginary god like entities. When I say imaginary I don't mean they don't exist, they just don't exist in physical form making them not visible.

Please be open-minded about this... (love hate, heaven hell, god devil are all 2 sided by the way).

To end this off I think aliens are either decendents of the god or devil since they have far more knowledge then anyone on earth has. They come from the clouds and have way more advanced knowledge about life, death, and everything inbetween better then us.

Blah blah blah... I could continue but I'm sure you don't wanna hear about more conspiracies.

Oh and one more thing, who wrote the bible? God didn't write it himself so I can't believe or trust anything in that book and you shouldn't either (don't always believe everything you read especially when its talking about a subject matter such as this and GOD himself).

P.S. I'm not saying this is all right, this is my opinion and I'm entitled to one so please don't start bashing me for different point of views Just confused here and stuff needs answering lol.

I had started to try to reply to this post, I even did to about the first 10 lines or so, until I replied and saw the rest of your post.

Now I just don't feel like you deserve an attempted answer.

Your "questions" are so full of assumptions that to answer them would first require me to argue about your assumptions and then answer the questions. I don't really want to take the time.

You have a lot of assumptions about what God is (to Christians). It seems like you need to not ask these questions on a forum but actually speak to a Christian about some of these questions to get a better understanding of what Christians believe about God, death, hell, salvation, forgiveness and the like. I don't think an open forum is the place to do it.

So your telling me you don't have the time to answer a measly 1 page of questions yet your able to create an ask georgee thread that contains 20 of pages with 393 replies... I asked for open-minded people and if your not that then so be it. I said these are my opinions and you don't have to agree.

Of course they are assumptions cause they have not been answered yet and I've always wondered.

The last time I checked this was a christian forum that's why I posted in here.

The questions are easy to answer, the rest is my sole opinion. It appears you don't take lightly to imagination, well neither do I thats why I started this thread in the first place.

God can't really be described thats why I made assumptions about him. All I can say is he is probably 4th dimension like ghosts. I like to think outside of the box it's what separates one religion from another.

Oh boy, I don’t know where to start and this is going to take me a while lol…





If God forgives, then why are their 10 commandments?
The commandments are there for us to follow as a guideline. Just because he’s forgiving, doesn’t mean he’s ok with sinning, and when you Sin, you have to go to god for forgiveness by just simply asking him (thru jesus) forgive you.

When Adam ate the forbidden fruit why did God not forgive him?
Adam didn’t ask to be forgiven, you can’t really forgive someone if they don’t want to be forgiven. An apology has to be acknowledged before forgiveness can be made, this basically applies for almost any situation. And just because God punished Adam it doesn’t mean he didn’t forgive him. When a parent disciplines their child for inappropriate behavior, that is usually followed by forgiveness after the child has learned the lesson and/or has apologized.

Is Adam suppose to be the devil?
Adam is not the devil. Eve was seduced by the devil and she was the one who told Adam it was ok to eat the fruit. Adam was told by God not to touch the fruit and this was basically a test to see how obedient Adam was. Eve isn’t the devil either but the serpent was (the serpent in the garden was the devil).

If thou shall not steal is correct, does that mean all Americans are going to hell for stealing other peoples land?
Technically this is nobodies land, it is God’s. If you mean we took the land from the Indians, well technically it wasn’t their land, they were here first but doesn’t mean they own all of it. Now we have to purchase land from the government in order to properly divide the land among ourselves, and when we cannot pay for it, we get it taken away from us since it is no longer ours by law. Additionally, if a grandparent stole something from someone, that is his sin and not mine. Sinning wont send you to hell as long as you repent of your sins and truly mean it when you ask for forgiveness. Jesus said you could repent many times in a single day, just as long as you truly mean it each time.

If the world was made in 6 days and the 7th day is used for rest, why is there 1 extra day off known as saturday?
We don’t have to follow that pattern today. In the old times people were not allowed to work on Sunday but that has all changed after Jesus came. So if I wanted to rest on Mondays, that is fine, it’s not sinful.

Why does the second commandment state laws? This makes me think it's government related.
I’m not sure what you mean by this, but a law is basically just a rule which needs to be followed, doesn’t have to be government related. Ever heard of the “Laws of Physics”?

Why would God punish? Isn't he nice?
God is very nice, he’s willing to forgive us of any sin. But he’ll also judge a person if they die a sinner and give them the punishment they deserve. Just because someone punishes, doesn’t mean they aren’t nice. Parents punish their kids but they usually do it out of love because they care and want their kids to learn from their mistakes and to turn out good.

The ten commandments come off rude and make god sound mean as hell. I think god is two faced just like every other human. We have the abulity to love and to hate, so that would make heaven and hell, god & the devil the same entity.
The only thing God hates is sin, he doesn’t hate anyone, he in fact loves every person, no matter what they’ve done or who they are. I’m not sure which of the ten commandments makes God sound rude but he definitely isn’t two faced.

It says if I misuse Gods name I will be punished for it. I say godammit a lot in my life so am I gonna go to hell for this?
As long as you apologize to god for using his name in vain, you’ll be fine. If you do it again after repenting, simply just repent again, it doesn’t have to be immediately afterward but just hope it’s before you die.

If one cannot desire to have anothers wife or belongings, does that make ebay or escort services the devils work?
That’s actually kinda funny. If someone is selling something to you, by buying it doesn’t make you a sinner unless the item which you are buying is something which can cause sin. If I see that someone has something nice, it doesn’t make me a sinner if I’m like “that’s pretty cool, I’ll have to get me one of those” but it would make me a sinner if I said “I am so jealous of you, I wish I had that, I wish I were you”.

If one gets married and they get divorced, do they both go to hell cause it clearly states TILL DEATH DUE US PART?
God does not like divorce, but some circumstances he says it’s ok. However, it is not good to get remarried after divorce and if it does happen, those people better do some repenting.

How was god born? Why didn't he explain anything about him or how he made us.
Since God is outside of time, the rules that apply to our world and existence do not apply to him. He is not part of this universe which he created so therefore our time doesn’t apply to him. It is hard for us and our brains to comprehend a world without time since we live in a world which does have time; you cannot comprehend something which you are not made to comprehend. If I made a video game, the time of the video game do not apply to me, I am not bound to the rules or laws which apply to the video game which I have created, this is similar concept for God. He did explain a little bit about how he made us and about himself but there’s so much God didn’t tell us and imagine if he did tell us everything there is to know, the Bible would probably be 100,000’s of pages long and it’s already long enough





I really do hope I helped you out here, took about 45 minutes. I'm not equiped with all the answers but I have studied enough to answer atleast 75% of questions people have regarding the bible. I also am at work and didn't spend as much time as I could on asnwering those questions. Your other statements I'll get to but this post of mine is just meant for answering your questions.

Excellent job on answering the questions!!!! This is exactly what I was looking for. All of them are well answered and make more sense then before.

But what happens if you die all the sudden and wanted to ask for forgiveness before you die? There's probably 1 more chance for forgiveness when entering the afterlife maybe?

I think when I'm on my death bed I will start asking for forgiveness just to be safe as I like to keep an open mind about everything.

Besides space, the bible has the most unanswered questions in my opinion and thanks for clarifying some of the missed goodies lol

Well the bible does answer almost every possible question, the problem is most christians have just never read any of it so therefore they don't have the answers which the bible provides.

If you died as a sinner, there is no more chances to repent, that is why it's good to repent daily or atleast once every night before going to bed (by praying).


It's important for me to give these answers, it's important for all christians who know these answers to provide answers to those who are lost. Afterall, we are god's hands and feet, god saves people thru his own people.

Your that worried about dying in your sleep??

How much of the bible do you think most christians do read? Just the key parts?

I heard something on the radio, which might also be the same in America, alot of atheists repent on there death bed, but sometimes even the strongest of christians forget to turn to God and are more worried about how they can save themselves..

Originally posted by JigSaw

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So your telling me you don't have the time to answer a measly 1 page of questions yet your able to create an ask georgee thread that contains 20 of pages with 393 replies... I asked for open-minded people and if your not that then so be it.

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Firstly, insolence, Geeogres thread was created "01-31-05", over 3 years ago. So in 3 years if he STILL hasnt answered then you have a right to be upset. Until then, you should really be careful what you say.

YOu asked for open-minded people, that means you cant argue his belief even if it argues yours, because you have stated your opinion - thats your argument. Dont get upset if someone contests what you say, you dont have to believe it, you do have to respect it.

Oddly, i see no question "What is the meaning of life? Why do we need one, he created us?!"

JigSaw, dude, we can fill you with all the hope, answers and speculation of 100 religions, they will most likely all be wrong. Im Atheist, so believing that there is a divine plan seems a little far fetched for me. But that doesnt mean you shouldnt believe in it. That doesnt mean you can take the answers of these questions from other people and assimilate them to your own. As then it isnt your faith, your belief. You have to ponder these questions, and believe what ever you want to believe. If there truely is a god, and a Heaven and Hell. I think he would prefer that you lived your life without being confined to the thoughts and beliefs of others. That you took it upon yourself to believe the world works how you believe it works. (Though im sure he wont be impressed if you belive all memebers of politics are actually.. spawn of satan or something... :| anyway.)

That about sums of the response ill be donating to this thread.

Ill answer what I can, but its all personal opinion.

If God forgives, then why are their 10 commandments?
Just because he forgives, dosnt mean there shouldnt be rules. If there where no rules, people would do whatever they want, and just say "oh yeah God, im sorry for that" when there not. You only get forgiven if you are truley sorry for what you do.

When Adam ate the forbidden fruit why did God not forgive him?
As punisment. Just because he forgives, dosnt mean he cant punish. Also, I think he did forgive him, he was just disapointed in Adam and Eve, so he banahsed them from the garden, have to work for food, women get pain during pregnacy.. you know how it all goes..


Is Adam suppose to be the devil?
Not that I know of. Infact, The deseptacon despetive serpant was (right??).

If thou shall not steal is correct, does that mean all Americans are going to hell for stealing other peoples land?
No, thats differnt. If you steal bread, and give it to me, am I going to goto hell? That'd mean basicly everyone in the world goes to hell..

If the world was made in 6 days and the 7th day is used for rest, why is there 1 extra day off known as saturday?
Ahh.. The 7th day is sunday. Where we all shall worship God while he rests.

Why does the second commandment state laws? This makes me think it's government related.
Laws/rules, there all the same. Govermnet is alot more than laws.

Why would God punish? Isn't he nice?
Why would you do something to make him punish, you know the rules of whats right and whats wrong, so if you purposly break them, your not doing what you should be doing, thus getting punished. But I dont think God is a vengfull God..

The ten commandments come off rude and make god sound mean as hell. I think god is two faced just like every other human. We have the abulity to love and to hate, so that would make heaven and hell, god & the devil the same entity.
The rules you read are proably not fully of what they were in the original state. If I say "Thou shalt not spam or thou shalt recive vengfull banings" i'd look like an idiot. Its because thats not how we know english today (because that stuff wasnt originaly in english).

It says if I misuse Gods name I will be punished for it. I say godammit a lot in my life so am I gonna go to hell for this?
Do you plan on repenting? Dont leave it till your deathbed. There is no deathbed if you get hit by a bus.
I tend to say DamnIt.

If one cannot desire to have anothers wife or belongings, does that make ebay or escort services the devils work?
Possibly. But we were given free will, this means just because God didnt make it happen, dosnt mean the devil did. (The Devils powers are << Godz Powerz).

If one gets married and they get divorced, do they both go to hell cause it clearly states TILL DEATH DUE US PART?
I dont think 'till death due us part' is from the bible. I think it just means 'I want to be together until the day we die'.

How was god born? Why didn't he explain anything about him or how he made us.
He dosnt have to. Did you belive in water before you seen the molecturlar structure we know as H2O?

To me heaven simply means life, hell means death. Those too words are referring to reality not life after death. The creator of all life is a god, which is two faced, half portraying lightness and the other half being darkness. Ever heard the term living hell? That just proves the thought of heaven and hell is mearly talking about life and death (just a theory).
No. The term living hell, refers to something you dislike ALOT, such as that as burning in the sulpha pits of H-E-Double-Hockey-Sticks!! Ever heard of heaven on earth?
Maybe heaven is earth, where we are free to do what we want, and live prosporus and free. And death is hell, meaning we can no longer live free (cos were dead.. flat line.. no more). But no one knows.

To me... it seems like the government itself is the devil. Lieing, cheating, stealing, killing, and creating laws...
Goverments kill?? Glad I live in Aus then.. Goverment is just a bunch of suits all competeing for the top job, because they belive that there way to run the country is the best way.
Recently (last year) we just got a new priminster, Kevin Rudd. Hes a heavy christian (divine intevention he got the top job??), not sure what this has got to do with anything, but yeah..

And what the heck is up with money... That saying In God We Trust! For some reason that phrase is very fishy. They believe in God yet disobey every commandment and create their own. They could have put in God we believe but no they put Trust! This makes me think religion is a scam cooked up by the elite who want to control this world. Government wants our trust not god.
If we all lived in the garden of eden, we wouldnt have money. Everyone could be trusted. But this is earth, where people are people, and have free minds. So there are misleading people around. Example, simpsons "What trillion dollar bill?".


Government is God, wants to be God, or is the devil itself. Government controls your fate if any laws or commandments are broken you will be punished. They want you to trust in them by using misleading media and imaginary god like entities. When I say imaginary I don't mean they don't exist, they just don't exist in physical form making them not visible.
Confusing. Laws are rules, and when you break rules you get punished. Else, everyone would do whatever the heck they want. Course they want you to trust in the, but thats not to do with God at all. If you trust them, you'll vote for them, voting for them gets them into the top job, where they think they can fix the country (and get a massive salary). Simple as that.

To end this off I think aliens are either decendents of the god or devil since they have far more knowledge then anyone on earth has. They come from the clouds and have way more advanced knowledge about life, death, and everything inbetween better then us.
I belive in aliens, I've seen things and cant explain them (spacey things, not miricle things). My friends say "If aliens are real, then why didnt God write about them in the bible.". Well, maybe he did, and they removed it to prevent us thinking 'they' exist.
Maybe he felt we didnt need to know.

Oh and one more thing, who wrote the bible? God didn't write it himself so I can't believe or trust anything in that book and you shouldn't either (don't always believe everything you read especially when its talking about a subject matter such as this and GOD himself).
The bible isnt 1 book, its 66 smaller books (66 sound right to everyone?), and they were written by different people who wernt God, but shown by God what to write.. Inspired.. The new testamite was written by the disciples (i think), and in an awful twist of fate, they all died horribly, BUT all of them during there deaths were not blaming God for any of this. Thats why they all went to heaven. Twas just a final test.
Im not sure who wrote the old testimate, but it was different people inspired by God to write.


Hope that answers some questions.

Thanks for your contributions everyone

The whole point in this thread was to see if christians could fill in questions with reasonable answers and so far they have done awesome but does that mean I believe it all, not necessarily. I can believe what I want and you can believe what you want. I'm trying to get a better understanding of what everyone thinks of the questions which seemed out in the open to me.

So thanks for your help as it has helped fill in the gaps from a christians point of view. I like to hear both sides of the story so I can decide what I truely think is possible, but not necessarily correct.

BTW, Viz will be sent to the people who have put time into their answers. Even though it didn't help them out, it has helped me out so thanks

I was going to wait until I had more time... but I feel inspired. I thought Geo and an excellent answer and you should take it with a grain of salt. He is not young enough to know everything.

First off all there are several things you should know. The bible has an old testament and a new testament. The ten commandments were just ten of many. From not to eat pigs, too stuff about washing your hands. As an aside, when all the other nations were beset by plagues and diseases the Hebrews prospered in part because of their laws, which happened to be good sense.

Now in the new testament Jesus gives us two commandments, that is right two. Love your god with all your mind heart and soul, and love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus said the old covenant had passed away.

Now between all this bible stuff... I must say that you don't have a grasp on the land grabbing situation, perhaps that is for another thread? In short , injustices are done, should we pay the price for the sins of our ancestors?

Now I don't know about God punishing in this life, he lets us live our lives with free will. However I believe God is not an old grandfather figure that says "At the end of the day all I can hope for is people to say a good time was had by all." Nay, God is like a father correcting his Son.

God put us on this earth with beautiful woman, who is to say we can't look at a mountain or sunset and enjoy its beauty. I feel the same way about woman. There is a difference between coveting and enjoying. Do not covet your neighbors wife? that seems like good stuff to me. Is it illogical? The bible also says ask and God will give you your hearts desire, now that sounds like God not looking down on man desiring bettter.

I don't know where you find in the bible you go to hell if you get a divorce, God said he hates divorce but there are biblical grounds for a divorce. All marriage is in the biblical sense is a public commitment to each other. A covenant.

The only other thing I'll pass comment on is gosh darn. Personally to me I find no sense in swearing or being crude. It doesn't help me communicate with others more effectively. There are a couple verses in the bible that say things like... Flee from the appearance of evil, focus on pure upright things and principles. The commandment of which you speak, "Don't take the name of the lord your God in vain" When you say gosh darnit you are telling God to damn something? your saying words that actually mean nothing?


"You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name." - New International Version (NIV)

"You shall not make wrong use of the name of the LORD you God; the LORD will not leave unpunished the man who misuses his name." - The New English Bible

Well, I'm not worried about you going to hell. Maybe after you find out about Christianity and refute the truth ok that was probably a little bit overboard.

God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.
Voltaire

Originally posted by Zylo

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I was going to wait until I had more time... but I feel inspired. I thought Geo and an excellent answer and you should take it with a grain of salt. He is not young enough to know everything.

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Uhm, so was that a compliment or something? I can't really tell.

K, thats alot of questions and im gonna give an over view to em. God is forgiving, but to understand this you have to uderstand sin. Sin is the direct turning away from God, Mortal sin and venial sin etc, etc. The reason God didn't forgive adam was because he didn't sin just by eating of the tree. he tried ti lie/fool god. He then tried to hoist the blame to eve. Second the creation stories are just stories. they are written to explain how powerful God is and to explain how sin spread. I mean if they arent, wat about the dinosaurs and ancient history?? Scond, we americans can't and wont be punished for our ancestors mistakes. Sure we could give it all back but it aint gona happen. The reason we have saturday off is because of the "rest day" In the jewish faith, saturday is te day Godrested, so that is the day they celebrat it. It doesn't matter if you know whats right or wrong, knowing and doing are completely different things. The ten Commandments weren't laws in the sense we view laws. They werent you have to do this, they were, you live like this. God gave them and us a way to stay in his graces. Second ebay is just. Your just bying stuff. escort services, srry. evil. Problem is divorce is wrong unless you have an anullment. If you dont know what that is, don't ask the questions about divorece. God has always and will always been. God jesus, and the holy ghost. problem also is, ppl dont fear hell like they did in the old days. They just go nillywilly. And the commandments are worded in old english cause thats what it would have been translated to and because its what they're supposed to say, nt what the literal traslation is If i missed something, im srry. Hope this helps, and unless your god, you dont undertsnad him. Thats the great myster that isnt answered til heaven. "Life is al we know of heaven and all we need of hell."

nice bump.... this thread is old and really messy....