Have you ever had a friend who committed suicide? or knew someone who did.

In the past 3 weeks, 2 guys I knew from outside, killed themselves.
And if you look at them, you would never guess they would do such a thing.

Makes me wonder HOW different people are, OK I've always wondered about that,
I just can't get my head around it.
Something that seems as a great life to us, might not seem so to the person living it,
because they value something totally different.
And you never can tell for sure with people.
It's frustrating.
In how much agony you have to be to kill yourself?

And then I get really annoyed when some people say  those who committ suicide are egoists.
No, an egoist is someone who kills somebody else.
Yes, you know that people will miss you (or maybe you don't???????), but there is just something so terrible inside you that you can't talk about it and can't handle it.
Killing yourself is not a sign of egoism, it literally says: you're f***ed up.
People who address such act as egoistic, are egoists themselves or have no emphaty.
In my opinion.

Your thoughts on suicide and life values???

Suicide is never never NEVER the right way out of a situation. No matter how bad things get, once you end it, it's over. You only get one life on this Earth; no amount of coins, bananas, or mushrooms will give you another.

It really is interesting but sad to see that some people don't value their own lives as much as others do. Taking your own life affects those around you, not only yourself. Someone out there will always miss you, no matter how it may seem.

who says what is wrong and what is right?
who says we only get one life on "this earth?"
nothing and noone can give answers to those questions as "no amount of coins, bananans or mushrooms."

it IS sad, no doubt about that, BUT what is with people and judgement?
how can they NOT understand that those who kill themselves are not "fit" to think about what will happen later?

people will always miss someone.
it's the same with breaking up with someone who madly loves you. it is the same. .. following my drift?

It isn't egotistical in the way that the term is normally used, but it is selfish. Most people who commit suicide don't really care about the effect that it will have on those close to them, they just want out of whatever situation they are in. For some reason, they cannot cope with their own life, and so they choose to just end it. I don't like to call it the cowards way out, because it actually takes a lot of guts to override your instinctual survival instincts and kill yourself. There is always a better way though, some people are just too blind to see it.

And before you jump on my comments... I've been on that edge, and I backed down because I didn't have the guts to do it. I can tell you, from experience, that it was a really selfish thing I was considering, and I am glad I didn't do it.

I know I bring up working for a mental health center where I live a bit, but it once again relates to a topic thread. Among the type of kids I work with, those who have attempted suicide are among them. In a lot of situations, it really isn't necessarily selfish. When they attempted it, at that point, they truly believed that there was no point in living because their life was meaningless. They not only had no love for themselves, but they truly believed that nobody really cared about them. It wasn't that they didn't consider how it would affect those around them. They thought nobody cared enough about them to even really be affected by it, including their family. So their way of thinking that living hurts, and there is no point in continuing because it isn't like their death would hurt anyone else. That isn't what it is like for everyone, but there are times that is the case.

Blah, they think the people are against them and no one is out there to help them :/ . They got themselves...

I think although unintentional, it is STILL selfish for someone to commit suicide because it's not only affecting them. It affects all those around them. We can debate on this all we want. Anyone who thinks that hurting people by taking their own life isn't selfish, is a little delusional. Again, may not be intended, but it will affect others.

I've never actually known someone who committed suicide, but I've had to talk a few people off a ledge. =/ It's the worst feeling when I think I'm losing the battle because if they do go through with it, I'd feel horrible about not being able to stop them. I know it wouldn't be my fault, but I KNOW I'd wind up blaming myself for it ... I've been lucky so far. 

Suicide is NEVER the answer. It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

I've been on the ledge a few times myself, but what's always stopped me is knowing that things DO get better and you only get one chance at life. Why waste it? And despite what the person may think at the time, someone will miss them. 

I've been through so many situations that actually would have taken my life. And I've gotten through it. Things do get better. You just have to be patient and wait for the storm to pass. I've been through literal hell in life and I would never hurt the ones I love by taking my own life.

 Hey, Devil's advocate here. Perhaps everyone shouldn't consider themselves the victims of another human's suicide. Someone who's going to take their own lives is going to think long and hard about it, they're not just going to get upset and end it right there. I'm sure they have felt justified enough to do it. Isn't it selfish to demand that a miserable person continue his/her earthly toil just so you don't have to feel a little grief? Are your feelings more important than their suffering? As humans, we have choice. And choices should never be chosen for us.

Didowe : "they think the people are against them and no one is out there to help them" means they think that their lives are meaningless and that no one needs them so even if they die they think that no one would care. 

 "Life doesn't have to have a meaning" So therefore I completely disagree with this statement. Because even not technically, you implied that people who commit suicide think their lives are meaningless, therefore in order to stop suicide attempts, people's lives have to be meaningful.

I am completely against suicide and think it is one of the biggest mistakes one can make if they are depressed.

I think that the train of thought should be that today is bad, but tomorrow may be better.

Saying that you know the feeling of being on the edge and you've overcome it and therefore all those who kill themselves could do the same - no, they couldn't. Saying so means you believe that people are all the same, the strenght and mental state, etc.

edit. which obviously isn't so.

I don't like suicide. Sure, everyone has a choice, however, I just think that's the worst choice possible for anything. I can't even imagine how tiny the probability is to have life right now in this day and age. We have so much to live for. Even if we ourselves have no family or any personal ties, we should at the very least do our part to help our fellow man. It's that kindness that really brings out true happiness. To me, suicide is often the epitome of selfishness. 



septembern : I agree. It's always darkest before dawn, regression to the mean, etc. It's all in the outlook for the most part. 

Edit: After some thought, I've decided that I don't know what it feels like to get to such an extreme state of mind that I would even consider such a thing. As a result, I can't really criticize.

When someone considers suicide it's typically because there are things in their life that are hurting them so badly that it completely outweighs the good things.

I know of someone who committed suicide. A student of a friend of my karate instructor ended his own life. His instructor thought the student was comfortable telling him anything, so that was a huge shock to him. That's one example of someone with a "good life" who was actually suffering.

I haven't known a friend who has committed suicide. But it would be very unfortunate if I did. I did find a suicide note in the school bathroom though. I took it straight to the teacher.

I Think Suicide Runs In My Mum's Side Of The Family... I Have No Idea Why Though. Most Of Them Actually Had Good Lives.

Suicide Is NEVER The Good Thing To Do. No Matter How Bad Things Get You Should Never Do It. Other People You Knew May Feel Bad And Then Kill Themselves Too!