My friend told me that in the bible, Jesus used weed (herb) to speak to the Muslims and they got high.  Does this mean that using weed is an okay thing or what?  I need to know.

***It wasn't his exact words, but it was something close to that saying.

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there was no such thing as a muslim when Jesus was alive. I don't see how this could possibly be true.

geeogree : I think it was when Jesus was dead, my bad.

so, Muslims got high to speak to Jesus? is that what you mean?

If that is the case then people have been doing that in different cultures for a long time. It's actually a fairly common practice of using drugs to have spiritual experiences.

No, the Bible doesn't say that Jesus smoked weed... I don't know which Bible your friend was referring to. In fact, the Bible makes no mention of drugs, but it does allude to the prohibition of drug use if you study the original Greek script of the Bible.

The Greek word pharmakeia literally means "to administer drugs." As with our English word "drugs," (or pharmaceutic) the context must be considered to determine the meaning. In biblical times, pagans incorporated the use of drugs to induce altered states of consciousness, during which they supposedly communed with their gods. This would be similar to the modern-day practice of voodoo. The apostles strongly condemned the use of such drugs to produce altered mind states because they lowered inhibitions and self-control.

The English equivalent of pharmakeia would be sorcery, or witchcraft; and is found in the Bible here (Galatians 5:19-21):

Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

tRIUNE :
gee0gree : Ok, I looked it up online and I found out that God put it in the world for us to use.  I have a link to the website that will show the people about this.  I do not get how it is illegal if God put it in the world. I'm not trying to make it legal, I am trying to find the truth and clues about this.  Marijuana or Cannabis as what they called it.

Here's the link of the site that I found that was really interesting:

http://www.equalrights4all.org/religious/bible.htm

Even though I'm not Christian I'm positive that there is no mention of Jesus using cannabis in the Bible. If anyone says that Jesus used cannabis it would be purely speculation. There is no way to actually know.

For so the Lord said unto me, I will take my rest, and I will consider in my dwelling place like a clear heat upon herbs, and like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest.
Isaiah 18:4

The God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you."
Genesis 1:29

Give him strong drink unto him that is ready to perish, and wine unto those that be heavy of hearts. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more.
Proverbs 31:6-7

hee hee,sorry,the idea of jesus being a stoner is funny.
Christianity pretty much is against intoxication(through alcohol and drugs)so i dont think the bible would condone weed.

Before I discuss about whether Jesus used weed or not I want to talk about hemp and cannabis in ancient times.

The earliest record of hemp use is from china around 10 000 BC, as scientists have dated hemp fabric to that date. The earliest record of medical cannabis is also found in China and is dated to 2,800 BC  , but it could be earlier as this is just when an emperor compiled a doctrine of medical plants and their uses.

Now that is in China and not Israel , and those two countries are worlds away from each other. There is evidence of cannabis use in ancient Israel, but it is much easier to find sources from neighbouring countries such as Egypt or Assyria and other parts of Mesopotamia. Egypt for instance was a much bigger civilization and there are more archaeological records from there in every area.

There have been many Egyptian papyrus scrolls found that mention medicinal cannabis dating as far back as the 1,800 BC. Here are a couple links to some
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ramesseum_medical_papyri     Ramesseum III Papyrus (1700 BC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebers_Papyrus     Ebers Papyrus  (1500 BC)

I could link sources all day but here is one that has a pretty decent summary on the history of cannabis use in the area http://www.ukcia.org/culture/history/index.php

Here is a link of ancient hash found in Israel http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/history/1600BC.htm
That one is dated to 400 AD so it is definetly after Jesus time. My point is that cannabis was widely used in Israel both before and after Jesus.
Actualy some scholars believe the word cannabis has a Semitic or Sumerian origin coming from the Hebrew קַנַּבּוֹס (qannabbôs)kaneh bosm: (make note of this as I will reference it to a passage in the bible) .  This is similar to how we use the word paper today but it originally comes from the Egyptian papyr or papyri which comes from the Egyptian papyrus plant. For more on the etymology (word history) of cannabis check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis_(etymology). There is quite a bit of information regarding the bible in that link. Some of which I will get to in a moment.


Now I know you are all thinking, "This topic is specifically about Jesus using marijuana and you haven't said anything about that" .  I must first mention that there are no direct references to Jesus using cannabis. It's not as cut and dry as Jesus saying " Let there be doobies", but it is implied if he is the Messiah or the Christ.

You see, in order for Jesus or any one to become a Messiah , they fist must be anointed or christened. What this means is they must be covered and rubbed with a special oil that has a specific mixture of ingredients. Exodus 30:22-25 says exactly what this special mixture is.

22 Then the LORD said to Moses, 23 “Take the following fine spices: 500 shekels of liquid myrrh, half as much (that is, 250 shekels) of fragrant cinnamon, 250 shekels of fragrant calamus, 24 500 shekels of cassia—all according to the sanctuary shekel—and a hin of olive oil. 25 Make these into a sacred anointing oil, a fragrant blend, the work of a perfumer. It will be the sacred anointing oil."

This is obviously taken from an English version of the bible, and it doesn't mention cannabis at all. When the Greeks translated the Torah / Pentateuch and made the Septuagint (old testament) they made numerous translation errors including calling khan-bosm calamus. Although both of those plant names mean similar things they are very different plants. Other versions of the bible say it is fragrant cane, or call it  an Indian cane. In my opinion the most reliable and accurate source would have to be the original Hebrew version where they call it kaneh bosm, well actually they call it קַנַּבּוֹס because it is in Hebrew lol. I should also note that cannabis wasn't very common through out Europe until well after Jesus' time. They may not have known exactly what plant the Torah was referring to.

Now in the biblical passage I mentioned, they say 250 shekels which is about 6 1/4 pounds or 2.9 kilograms and the put it in a hin of oil, which is just over a gallon. That is A LOT of cannabis and I dare any of you to rub that mixture over your body and see if you get high.  It would work just like any ointment you would use as medicine and absorb through the skin. The word ointment actually comes from the word anointment, and it is rather obvious.

I could get into even more detail on the topic of cannabis use in religions (most ancient religions used it to some extent) but I have spent enough time for now , its not east finding all those links and sources! I will just summarize for all the people that just scroll to the bottom of the post and are to lazy to read my wall of text.

Did Jesus use Marijuana? He most definitly did , especially if he is considered the Messiah. Did Jesus use marijuana recreationally? Probably not as it was most common for healing and rituals, and was likely an expensive import from India. Who really knows though, I'm sure Jesus wiped his ass and that isn't mentioned in the bible.

I am just a silly atheist so what do I know about religion











 

smotpoker86 : Wow, that is a lot of information about this topic, especially when it comes to an atheist. Your information is getting somewhere.  He must have did, from what you just said.  But...is it wrong to use marijuana nowadays even when Jesus used it?

Marcmoney : "is it wrong to use marijuana nowadays even when Jesus used it?"

Look I don't want to get into a discussion about whether its wrong or not, as this is not the right place to discus that. I also am not sure what the policy of the site is on that topic, and I don't want to get into trouble. So with that being said, I will give you my short answer.

It is legally wrong to use marijuana these days (assuming your country is one that doesn't allow it) but it was acceptable for tens of thousands of years and sometimes encouraged by the state until the 1940's.

Here is a cool picture I found in about 10 seconds on google.

If you can't read it very well, it is basically a government issued Tax Stamp sold to someone who was producing marijuana and it expired in June of 1946. I love history

Look, no where in the Bible does it say that Jesus used weed. Also Muslims did not exist at the time. And saying "Well why did God put it in this world if he didn't want us to use it" is just plain stupid. He gave us a choice to do right and wrong, and getting intoxicated is DEFINITELY A SIN! End of discussion. You can now close this thread.

Jesus certainly never used weed, I've always looked at this argument as another attempt to disprove Jesus' power and identity as son of God.

Hoochman : I must have not typed it in specifically.  I heard my friend say something like when Jesus died and one day he used the herb on the Earth (he didn't smoke it) and burned it to speak to the Muslims or something like that.

Marcmoney : After Jesus died, He did not use herbs to speak to muslims. He rose from his grave 3 days after his death, and stayed on the earth for forty days, witnessing to many people and visiting his disciples. He then ascended into heaven to sit at the right hand of God, leaving us to minister to the lost. Like I said before, Muslims weren't even around then. In fact, Muhammed (the starter of islam) wasnt even born until 570 AD. Jesus lived more than 500 years before that time.

That still doesn't seem right because Jesus spoke to interacted with people with his own power without usage of any such.

yes this may be kinda late to say but, sure god put it in the world but one important factor everyone has left out is that the devil tries to be like god. he wants to imitate him in any way possible and one thing he does is take god's creations and pervert them.

I agree Satan likes to twist Gods creations. He may have made it but His intention didn't have to be for us to smoke or use it to get high. That isn't a great argument. Poison ivy is also put here but that doesn't mean we should smoke it, rub t on us, etc.

Fallman7 : Okay, obviously you did not read the post.  Sounds like you only read the title, which made you think that I said that Jesus smoke pot.  You do not have to get pissed off about this.  If you think it is not true, then just say it, otherwise, do not say anything at all.  Also, you need to read what other people said in the thread.