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A christian, Possessed by demons
06-22-10 01:37 PM
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So tell me, can demons dwell in Christians as the Holy spirit does? I personally don't think so, but how about you guy's? Opinions or references anyone? |
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06-22-10 01:41 PM
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Just cause your Christian doesn't make you safe from being possessed. Thats up to the demons to decide not you or god or your religion. They will take anyone they want as victim |
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06-22-10 01:43 PM
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06-22-10 01:48 PM
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There's always darkness in you. This thread proves it, by thinking of demons you have let darkness take control even though there is "light" in you. It doesn't matter how much light you have within yourself, once you realize darkness it will take control. |
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06-22-10 02:01 PM
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JigSaw : But wouldn't that just mean I am influenced by the darkness? As an honest born again follower I would have been made alive anew in Christ and become a new creature inhabited by The Holy Spirit. Do you believe that even then that I am no exception to what the devil can do through me? |
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06-22-10 02:22 PM
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There are no exceptions when it comes to darkness. As I've said I don't care whether your christian or not everyone has it in them. Let's look at it from a non-religious point of view. When you think about dark things such as your ex girlfriend leaving you for another guy, or how your job sucks so bad, or how your mom or dad just died you will see darkness in there. Once you realize it is there its a lot harder to ignore it. Sure light can ignore some darkness but not all. Some people result to drugs or religion to cure their darkness, well the key is not necessary "light" its actually just plain and simply ignoring the darkness altogether no matter what religion or how much light you have in you.
But yea I do believe that anyone can be possessed just like anyone can commit sins. Just because your christian does not make you holy, untouchable, and completely safe from darkness. Just recently there was an article talking about how a pot head christian with a police record went out to kill Osama Bin Laden. There is definitely darkness in everyone even if they are christian. But yea I do believe that anyone can be possessed just like anyone can commit sins. Just because your christian does not make you holy, untouchable, and completely safe from darkness. Just recently there was an article talking about how a pot head christian with a police record went out to kill Osama Bin Laden. There is definitely darkness in everyone even if they are christian. |
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06-22-10 05:58 PM
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Colossians 1:13 reads "He has rescued us from the from the power of darkness." Though demons can enter and possess any unbeliever, they cannot enter into the body of those who belong to the Lord. There are a number of reasons why this is so. 1 John 4:4- Greater is He that is in you than he that is in the world, 2 Corinthians 6:14&15- What fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? The Bible says that such evil powers cannot separate the believer from the love of God: Romans 8:38&39- "For I am persuaded that angels nor principalities nor powers shall be able to to separate us from the love of God." The Christian, who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, cannot be demon possessed. However, demons do attack believers in various ways so it would be wrong to say they cannot have any affect on them. James 4:7- Submit to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you. |
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06-22-10 06:49 PM
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JigSaw : You obviously don't understand a thing about the subject, because your argument makes no sense. Demons are forced to flee from the presence of God. Yeah, God's everywhere, but His true presence, His glorified spirit, in other words His full power, is not in non-believers because they have not allowed Him in, so they can be possessed. However, because Christians have allowed His true strength to enter their hearts, the demons cannot exist within a Christian. It's not a simple "demons can ignore the fact that you're a Christian" thing, they can't reside in you due to the Holy Spirit's presence. |
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06-22-10 07:51 PM
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Just because someone said it can't happen in bible doesn't make it true. I think the concept is pure balogni. Even if you have the "holy spirit" in you it will not save you from demons outside of your body or within for that matter. There are demons in all of us though they might not have full control of you they do exist and to deny that would be really stupid. If that were not the case Christians would never sin period so yeah there is darkness within the light I assure you
If demons did not exist in you, you would not have free will period you would be a robotic sheep with no brain following someone elses orders. Well since god gave us free will that means all of us have holy spirit and demons residing in us at all times. God does not save you from free will only you do. Only you have the power to ward off demons not god. And just cause you believe in god in your heart doesn't mean evil does not reside in you cause it does, all christians have evil in them as so does everyone else on earth. If a christian father saw his baby about to be hung and there was a gun beside him what would he do? Would he sit there and think to himself, I'm holy and so is my baby we are safe from the demons? Or would he use the demons to his advantage and kill those about to hang his baby? Hmm... makes you wonder does it, evil does exist in all of us can't deny that whether you have a holy spirit in you or not. Now even though this father would not technically be possessed, if he were to pick the gun up he would have opened a hole for the demons to enter making it a temporary possession. If demons did not exist in you, you would not have free will period you would be a robotic sheep with no brain following someone elses orders. Well since god gave us free will that means all of us have holy spirit and demons residing in us at all times. God does not save you from free will only you do. Only you have the power to ward off demons not god. And just cause you believe in god in your heart doesn't mean evil does not reside in you cause it does, all christians have evil in them as so does everyone else on earth. If a christian father saw his baby about to be hung and there was a gun beside him what would he do? Would he sit there and think to himself, I'm holy and so is my baby we are safe from the demons? Or would he use the demons to his advantage and kill those about to hang his baby? Hmm... makes you wonder does it, evil does exist in all of us can't deny that whether you have a holy spirit in you or not. Now even though this father would not technically be possessed, if he were to pick the gun up he would have opened a hole for the demons to enter making it a temporary possession. |
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06-22-10 08:12 PM
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JigSaw : Your points are not demon-related at all... that's not even temporary possession, that's human instinct, protecting our kids. You don't understand this at all. Demons are not what give us free will, there was free will before demons were even able to come to Earth. No one has said demons don't exist, and nobody's said they can't effect us at all. The difference is, what we are saying is they can't take control of our bodies if we are Christian, because we have Jesus' light in us.
And yes, our faith makes us holy. "And ye shall be holy unto Me, for I the Lord am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be Mine" (Leviticus 20:26). It was spoken to the Israelites, and as Christians are treated as new Israelites in God's eyes, applies to us as well. And yes, our faith makes us holy. "And ye shall be holy unto Me, for I the Lord am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be Mine" (Leviticus 20:26). It was spoken to the Israelites, and as Christians are treated as new Israelites in God's eyes, applies to us as well. |
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06-22-10 08:48 PM
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I never said demons give you free will, I said if you give into evil then evil will be in control, hence demons in control. Human instinct is free will meaning you have a choice of doing good or bad things despite whether you have god in you or not.
You can't commit murder and say its not evil and that its human instinct because obviously something took control of you in order to commit such evil acts. You choose to do something good your in gods hands you choose to do something evil your in the devils hands. At times, you have to do evil things to protect yourself but that does not make it good in anyway whatsoever. I'm not talking about the whole full body exorcist kinda possessions those are less rare, I'm talking about possessions that occur to everyone daily. They are faint, they might not control you 100% but given the right moment in time and it can control you. In the heat of the moment types of possessions, where you don't think before doing and just commit evil. Not going to discuss it further because I'm obviously wrong in everything I say or do because its not in correlation to the bible. I mean if the bibles says its not possible, then why is there a thread debating this subject? You can't commit murder and say its not evil and that its human instinct because obviously something took control of you in order to commit such evil acts. You choose to do something good your in gods hands you choose to do something evil your in the devils hands. At times, you have to do evil things to protect yourself but that does not make it good in anyway whatsoever. I'm not talking about the whole full body exorcist kinda possessions those are less rare, I'm talking about possessions that occur to everyone daily. They are faint, they might not control you 100% but given the right moment in time and it can control you. In the heat of the moment types of possessions, where you don't think before doing and just commit evil. Not going to discuss it further because I'm obviously wrong in everything I say or do because its not in correlation to the bible. I mean if the bibles says its not possible, then why is there a thread debating this subject? |
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JigSaw : That's not possession, that's messing up. Demons don't need to be controlling any part of us for us to sin, we simply do... thanks to Adam's first misstep. There was no internal influence then, God hadn't given the world to the demons yet. There was only external influence. Same here, demons don't actually possess you in the slightest if you're Christian, and they don't simply appear and cause you to sin. You don't seem to understand the concept at all . |
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Well then I guess this thread has been solved? Demons can't possess christians period end of discussion And yeah I understand everything you said I was just showing you another point of view to look at demons is all. But if you don't mind I'll close this thread now cause someone has already provided bible quotes stating its not possible so no need to debate it |
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