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I'm going to admit something. I was an awful teenager, I never even graduated high school. Let's be fair, I had an excuse, my Father had died pretty near when I was supposed to be graduating. However, I doubt it would have made a difference, I simply wasn't interested. My teachers always told me that a high school degree is useless essentially. That I may as well just get a GED.

Well I haven't gotten either, and I'm significantly older now. But I do self study almost every single day. I discover new experiences, and meet new people, all of whom teach me something. I think I obtain more worldly knowledge that way. However, school is considered very important in most cultures. Do you find it to be a necessity?
I'm going to admit something. I was an awful teenager, I never even graduated high school. Let's be fair, I had an excuse, my Father had died pretty near when I was supposed to be graduating. However, I doubt it would have made a difference, I simply wasn't interested. My teachers always told me that a high school degree is useless essentially. That I may as well just get a GED.

Well I haven't gotten either, and I'm significantly older now. But I do self study almost every single day. I discover new experiences, and meet new people, all of whom teach me something. I think I obtain more worldly knowledge that way. However, school is considered very important in most cultures. Do you find it to be a necessity?
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pennylessz : I think to a point. There is plenty you can learn without having the means to go to college but I think to truly have a grasp on the basics you need a GED or a high school diploma. I know plenty of smart folks who didn't go to college but not that many who never finished high school or gotten a GED.
pennylessz : I think to a point. There is plenty you can learn without having the means to go to college but I think to truly have a grasp on the basics you need a GED or a high school diploma. I know plenty of smart folks who didn't go to college but not that many who never finished high school or gotten a GED.
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Yes and no. For regular people, school can be useful. I'm going to be referring to our school system in Belgium, which is slightly different, and I will hope that our goal here is the same as in other places.

I will look at middleschool (age 12-17 assuming you never fail or skip a class and start preschool on the correct age). Here, what school is important for is that we learn about ourselves. After the second year, we enter the "highschool", where we have choices between four things:
BSO - you learn about work and you should choose this if you want to go work after middle school, or if you're just much handier.
TSO - you learn about work, too, but you have a lot more of the more difficult stuff such as math, history, sciences, et cetera. This prepares you both for work and to study further, so this is the best option if you don't know what to do.
KSO - This is a lot like TSO, but it has a much more artistic approach. Not many schools offer this, though, like mine.
ASO - this is all about the theory and is the most difficult setting. This prepares you purely for studying after and your diploma for ASO is insufficient for work.

Why am I saying this? Well, the fact that it has choices. Under these four main categories there are many more choices: BSO has electricity, bakery, barber, etc., TSO has uhm ... our school has "Social & Technic Sciences" and "Commerces", KSO has for example acting or painting or whatever (I'm not sure lol) and ASO for example has Sciences, "Human Sciences", Latin, et cetera.

Each provides a different set of lessons, obviously, which also means a different approach to intelligency. The main reason that I have noticed that school is important is that it simply helps you get prepared. You will probably work with people you hate. You will have to do things you don't like. History can be neat so that you at least have some insight on your own folk and the surroundings (Fun fact: if this certain woman (forgot her name) had a child, Belgium & Dutch would been one whole country!). However, more importantly, the big thing with history is to learn to work with sources. Will it be useful in life, later? Maybe, I don't know. The most important part about history here is to be able to work with sources and find information about it, and link information from today with the past. And honestly, it is quite hard, sometimes. This, in my opinion, is a form of intelligence.

What I am trying to say is that, at least here, the lessons give you insight. You will have to go through obstacles that you go through in school.

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But... is it NECESSARY? That in itself is a tricky question. The matter of fact is is that a lot of important, influencial people today (Bill Gates, for example), quit school. They never graduated. Bill Gates quit school so he could work on computers and stuff full-time, something like that. A bunch of singers and artists. The whole text above about our school system is moreso about that it helps with intelligence. I would not recommend dropping out of school unless you have a good reason, at least not here in Belgium.

As a fun fact, school was originally intended to prepare people to work. To be the slaves of the governments, to put it simply. Technically, that is still the primary purpose of school now, it's just a lot softer (and thus better) now. There was a video I saw a few weeks ago that I do want to recommend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLSv17iE_4Q

Not sure what else to write. This post is probably a mess but I don't feel like getting rid of everything because I spent way too much time on it lol. Tata!
Yes and no. For regular people, school can be useful. I'm going to be referring to our school system in Belgium, which is slightly different, and I will hope that our goal here is the same as in other places.

I will look at middleschool (age 12-17 assuming you never fail or skip a class and start preschool on the correct age). Here, what school is important for is that we learn about ourselves. After the second year, we enter the "highschool", where we have choices between four things:
BSO - you learn about work and you should choose this if you want to go work after middle school, or if you're just much handier.
TSO - you learn about work, too, but you have a lot more of the more difficult stuff such as math, history, sciences, et cetera. This prepares you both for work and to study further, so this is the best option if you don't know what to do.
KSO - This is a lot like TSO, but it has a much more artistic approach. Not many schools offer this, though, like mine.
ASO - this is all about the theory and is the most difficult setting. This prepares you purely for studying after and your diploma for ASO is insufficient for work.

Why am I saying this? Well, the fact that it has choices. Under these four main categories there are many more choices: BSO has electricity, bakery, barber, etc., TSO has uhm ... our school has "Social & Technic Sciences" and "Commerces", KSO has for example acting or painting or whatever (I'm not sure lol) and ASO for example has Sciences, "Human Sciences", Latin, et cetera.

Each provides a different set of lessons, obviously, which also means a different approach to intelligency. The main reason that I have noticed that school is important is that it simply helps you get prepared. You will probably work with people you hate. You will have to do things you don't like. History can be neat so that you at least have some insight on your own folk and the surroundings (Fun fact: if this certain woman (forgot her name) had a child, Belgium & Dutch would been one whole country!). However, more importantly, the big thing with history is to learn to work with sources. Will it be useful in life, later? Maybe, I don't know. The most important part about history here is to be able to work with sources and find information about it, and link information from today with the past. And honestly, it is quite hard, sometimes. This, in my opinion, is a form of intelligence.

What I am trying to say is that, at least here, the lessons give you insight. You will have to go through obstacles that you go through in school.

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But... is it NECESSARY? That in itself is a tricky question. The matter of fact is is that a lot of important, influencial people today (Bill Gates, for example), quit school. They never graduated. Bill Gates quit school so he could work on computers and stuff full-time, something like that. A bunch of singers and artists. The whole text above about our school system is moreso about that it helps with intelligence. I would not recommend dropping out of school unless you have a good reason, at least not here in Belgium.

As a fun fact, school was originally intended to prepare people to work. To be the slaves of the governments, to put it simply. Technically, that is still the primary purpose of school now, it's just a lot softer (and thus better) now. There was a video I saw a few weeks ago that I do want to recommend: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLSv17iE_4Q

Not sure what else to write. This post is probably a mess but I don't feel like getting rid of everything because I spent way too much time on it lol. Tata!
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Honestly as a high school student with no interest in what I'm learning I will say no not really, I may not be interested in what I'm learning in the slightest but I almost always ace important tests with no real knowledge of what I'm doing tho I guess that's not really intelligence and more so just my ultimate luck. That being said if I go search for knowledge when it comes to something I am interested in I can become extremely intelligent at it, so while I don't really know how to put into words what I'm thinking I think if you have interest in something you can go out and find knowledge and become intelligent at it anyway without any school work.
Honestly as a high school student with no interest in what I'm learning I will say no not really, I may not be interested in what I'm learning in the slightest but I almost always ace important tests with no real knowledge of what I'm doing tho I guess that's not really intelligence and more so just my ultimate luck. That being said if I go search for knowledge when it comes to something I am interested in I can become extremely intelligent at it, so while I don't really know how to put into words what I'm thinking I think if you have interest in something you can go out and find knowledge and become intelligent at it anyway without any school work.
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My initial thought is that no you don't need schooling in order to be intelligent or gain knowledge or experience in something.

However, the real world doesn't view it that way in a lot of cases. Most "real jobs" require you to have a college diploma or degree in something in order to get that job or progress in some way. There are also a LOT of jobs that you couldn't get anywhere near if you didn't have the right credentials.

That's not to say you need a college/university education in order to be successful. There are plenty of people who go to a trade school or start their own business and do just fine for themselves. It very much depends on what you want to do.

I've met people who are highly "educated" who have absolutely no problem solving skills. If the answer isn't obvious in front of them they quite often don't know what to do. It was kind of shocking to watch. I've gotten used to solving a lot of my own problems in school and work situations that when people lack that skill set I'm surprised.
My initial thought is that no you don't need schooling in order to be intelligent or gain knowledge or experience in something.

However, the real world doesn't view it that way in a lot of cases. Most "real jobs" require you to have a college diploma or degree in something in order to get that job or progress in some way. There are also a LOT of jobs that you couldn't get anywhere near if you didn't have the right credentials.

That's not to say you need a college/university education in order to be successful. There are plenty of people who go to a trade school or start their own business and do just fine for themselves. It very much depends on what you want to do.

I've met people who are highly "educated" who have absolutely no problem solving skills. If the answer isn't obvious in front of them they quite often don't know what to do. It was kind of shocking to watch. I've gotten used to solving a lot of my own problems in school and work situations that when people lack that skill set I'm surprised.
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I think that it's important to have a good balance between knowledge learned in class and wisdom learned from experiences outside of class. I consider school to be necessary for intelligence for a lot of practical skills such as math skills for doing taxes. However, I don't think that a lot of things I learned in high school have been crucial for me in college. Then again, I go to a private college and I went to a public high school, so I don't know how that usually goes.

I know I learned a decent amount of things from high school I still use, but most of the things that come to mind quickly are from my elective (optional) classes. I learned best from getting creative and being inspired. For example, my creative writing class in my junior year of high school really helped me to expand my imagination. It inspired me to become a better writer, and I still write short stories and poems today!

My most powerful learning has been from the experiences I've had outside of class. In college I've had plenty of field trips, service opportunities, and extracurricular activities. I feel that I am more intelligent than I was before college because of the lessons I learned from working with other people. Mentoring a high school student taught me of how much weight my words and actions hold in my relationships with others. I've been blessed to have many other transformative experiences with my college outside of class such as a mission trip to help with hurricane relief and a field trip to a youth center.
I think that it's important to have a good balance between knowledge learned in class and wisdom learned from experiences outside of class. I consider school to be necessary for intelligence for a lot of practical skills such as math skills for doing taxes. However, I don't think that a lot of things I learned in high school have been crucial for me in college. Then again, I go to a private college and I went to a public high school, so I don't know how that usually goes.

I know I learned a decent amount of things from high school I still use, but most of the things that come to mind quickly are from my elective (optional) classes. I learned best from getting creative and being inspired. For example, my creative writing class in my junior year of high school really helped me to expand my imagination. It inspired me to become a better writer, and I still write short stories and poems today!

My most powerful learning has been from the experiences I've had outside of class. In college I've had plenty of field trips, service opportunities, and extracurricular activities. I feel that I am more intelligent than I was before college because of the lessons I learned from working with other people. Mentoring a high school student taught me of how much weight my words and actions hold in my relationships with others. I've been blessed to have many other transformative experiences with my college outside of class such as a mission trip to help with hurricane relief and a field trip to a youth center.
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geeogree spot on said what my thoughts are as well.

On an abstract level, absolutely not. Intelligence is *at least* partly learned by life experience, so unless you don't go to school AND you just sit in your room all day with zero internet access or anything, you at least have SOME intelligence. Self-learning is a lot more potent than people give it credit for. I believe a lot of my writing and general English skills came from experience in forum posting.

I don't think the job market DISAGREES - but you do need some sort of way to prove your intelligence rather than just "trust me bro". Right now, schooling experience and degrees are most valued. I do think we need more ways to prove this, however, as schooling is definitely not an option for those less fortunate who cannot afford post-secondary education. STEM careers are generally open to having certificates in some software (like Microsoft Word, etc), but since STEM is so full of aspiring young people, there will always be those who have BOTH a degree and said certificates. This doesn't prove one is more intelligent than the other, however.

Honestly I don't really have a solution after thinking it over briefly so I can't just say "abolish xyz!", but I can recognize the problem at least *exists*. Those who became successful without education either invented something life-changing or just got insanely lucky - definitely not something other people can replicate.

Pacman+Mariofan : Yup, 100% agree on HS being practically useless for college. My own HS was an absolute cakewalk compared to college, and it didn't prepare me at all. I also believe that HS should be teaching more practical skills, such as how to do your taxes, as that is a huge factor in modern "intelligence".
geeogree spot on said what my thoughts are as well.

On an abstract level, absolutely not. Intelligence is *at least* partly learned by life experience, so unless you don't go to school AND you just sit in your room all day with zero internet access or anything, you at least have SOME intelligence. Self-learning is a lot more potent than people give it credit for. I believe a lot of my writing and general English skills came from experience in forum posting.

I don't think the job market DISAGREES - but you do need some sort of way to prove your intelligence rather than just "trust me bro". Right now, schooling experience and degrees are most valued. I do think we need more ways to prove this, however, as schooling is definitely not an option for those less fortunate who cannot afford post-secondary education. STEM careers are generally open to having certificates in some software (like Microsoft Word, etc), but since STEM is so full of aspiring young people, there will always be those who have BOTH a degree and said certificates. This doesn't prove one is more intelligent than the other, however.

Honestly I don't really have a solution after thinking it over briefly so I can't just say "abolish xyz!", but I can recognize the problem at least *exists*. Those who became successful without education either invented something life-changing or just got insanely lucky - definitely not something other people can replicate.

Pacman+Mariofan : Yup, 100% agree on HS being practically useless for college. My own HS was an absolute cakewalk compared to college, and it didn't prepare me at all. I also believe that HS should be teaching more practical skills, such as how to do your taxes, as that is a huge factor in modern "intelligence".
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Yes, but the way it is done is annoying and not going to help in the long term. The way I experienced it made it so I didn't have to try to get an A, which while the stress "Getting ready for college", doesn't do it at all, cause with College, you need to work for an A.
Yes, but the way it is done is annoying and not going to help in the long term. The way I experienced it made it so I didn't have to try to get an A, which while the stress "Getting ready for college", doesn't do it at all, cause with College, you need to work for an A.
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Minuano : I've noticed that school experience seems to be the most valuable for a lot of jobs. There really doesn't seem to be a way for people to get far without having post-secondary education.

Funny thing about high school preparing me for college: a lot of the harder things I had to do in high school, I haven't had to worry much about in college. XD I think those projects/assignments were more focused on expanding my knowledge of what I already learned.

I also believe there should be more practical skills we learn in high school. My more practical classes were mostly squeezed into my senior year, and that was a lot at once. I think we should learn practical skills all throughout high school. Maybe we could have some smaller classes that focus on certain skills we need to develop. That way, people could get help in those skills that they might not be able to get from other people in their lives.
Minuano : I've noticed that school experience seems to be the most valuable for a lot of jobs. There really doesn't seem to be a way for people to get far without having post-secondary education.

Funny thing about high school preparing me for college: a lot of the harder things I had to do in high school, I haven't had to worry much about in college. XD I think those projects/assignments were more focused on expanding my knowledge of what I already learned.

I also believe there should be more practical skills we learn in high school. My more practical classes were mostly squeezed into my senior year, and that was a lot at once. I think we should learn practical skills all throughout high school. Maybe we could have some smaller classes that focus on certain skills we need to develop. That way, people could get help in those skills that they might not be able to get from other people in their lives.
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I'd say it is necessary to a certain degree. Lets put it this way, without the school system your likes and dislikes would vary massively. People forget how often a continuous mixing pot of social interactions will meld people into what they are in the future.

SO yes i do think school is needed on that front alone. However i'd like to point out that a lot of people that do end up in powerful roles whether that be through smarts or skills are usually people that go to private schooling and usually get focused teaching in their respective areas.

e.g think of it like learning multiple languages. If you live in a household that speaks more than one tongue that's a skill for life that you learn naturally due to being young and adaptable.. try doing that in 20 years and you'll suffer etc.

So is school important yes. Is it flawed.. massively..

Do your parents basically force you on the path to greatness if you're well off or can afford private schooling,... mostly...

Also using bill gates as an example is great and all.. but that was like what 40 years ago or something?... also didn't he get a massive ass loan from his parents or something... lol
I'd say it is necessary to a certain degree. Lets put it this way, without the school system your likes and dislikes would vary massively. People forget how often a continuous mixing pot of social interactions will meld people into what they are in the future.

SO yes i do think school is needed on that front alone. However i'd like to point out that a lot of people that do end up in powerful roles whether that be through smarts or skills are usually people that go to private schooling and usually get focused teaching in their respective areas.

e.g think of it like learning multiple languages. If you live in a household that speaks more than one tongue that's a skill for life that you learn naturally due to being young and adaptable.. try doing that in 20 years and you'll suffer etc.

So is school important yes. Is it flawed.. massively..

Do your parents basically force you on the path to greatness if you're well off or can afford private schooling,... mostly...

Also using bill gates as an example is great and all.. but that was like what 40 years ago or something?... also didn't he get a massive ass loan from his parents or something... lol
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