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SHOULD POKEMON BE LISTED AS AN RPG!?
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I swear If it wasn't against forum policy I would flame so hard at this. Why is Pokémon even listed under "rpg" when the most if not ALL games lack story telling elements? It's all I get when I click on the RPG section of any site ever. Even so I love the games, but it seriously annoys me. On this site it's not as bad as others but when searching up games in the RPG category it is SATURATED with Pokémon. _-_ How does vizzed feel about this?
I swear If it wasn't against forum policy I would flame so hard at this. Why is Pokémon even listed under "rpg" when the most if not ALL games lack story telling elements? It's all I get when I click on the RPG section of any site ever. Even so I love the games, but it seriously annoys me. On this site it's not as bad as others but when searching up games in the RPG category it is SATURATED with Pokémon. _-_ How does vizzed feel about this?

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Pokemon does have a story, but the problem is that it's the same story in every single game, I'm sure if there was a brand new story in each one then it would be taken differently but if that happened then people wouldn't be as interested in it. Besides, what else could it even be listed as? Its not like there's something else that it could fall under.
Pokemon does have a story, but the problem is that it's the same story in every single game, I'm sure if there was a brand new story in each one then it would be taken differently but if that happened then people wouldn't be as interested in it. Besides, what else could it even be listed as? Its not like there's something else that it could fall under.

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This is pretty silly. Even though the story-telling elements aren't all there from a traditional RPG, there are many other elements of an RPG present, such as turn-based attacking, random number generators dictating a number of things out of your control (paralysis, accuracy, critical hits, status effect chances, etc.), and the ability to heavily customize yourself with "equipment" (six pokemon team) that you've "collected" (caught). Each "equipment" even has one slot for an extra item to use naturally in battle, and is used separately throughout a match, and yet is complete.

No, you can't customize yourself as a character, but that also doesn't keep it from being an RPG.
This is pretty silly. Even though the story-telling elements aren't all there from a traditional RPG, there are many other elements of an RPG present, such as turn-based attacking, random number generators dictating a number of things out of your control (paralysis, accuracy, critical hits, status effect chances, etc.), and the ability to heavily customize yourself with "equipment" (six pokemon team) that you've "collected" (caught). Each "equipment" even has one slot for an extra item to use naturally in battle, and is used separately throughout a match, and yet is complete.

No, you can't customize yourself as a character, but that also doesn't keep it from being an RPG.

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RPG stands for roll playing game.  EVERY game is an rpg because you are assuming the roll of someone or something and playing out their lives...maybe not games like tetris, or games that have no playable characters such as marble madness because it is based on a skill you, yourself has, but every game that has a playable character is,  and should be considered, an rpg.  Those are my thoughts on that one right there meow!
RPG stands for roll playing game.  EVERY game is an rpg because you are assuming the roll of someone or something and playing out their lives...maybe not games like tetris, or games that have no playable characters such as marble madness because it is based on a skill you, yourself has, but every game that has a playable character is,  and should be considered, an rpg.  Those are my thoughts on that one right there meow!

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I don't believe the "rpg stands for role playing game" applies here anymore. RPG's have become distinguishable by leveling up, skills, stats, character growth and development (in other words progressing up to something greater), and exploring a world. When people say a game has rpg elements they usually refer to leveling up, so I believe rpg's have gone from the base root term to their own unique kind of playstyle. I think that makes pokemon an rpg of modern times. Perhaps it was it's own unique genre, but now it falls in with the other turn based move selecting games like final fantasy and such.
I don't believe the "rpg stands for role playing game" applies here anymore. RPG's have become distinguishable by leveling up, skills, stats, character growth and development (in other words progressing up to something greater), and exploring a world. When people say a game has rpg elements they usually refer to leveling up, so I believe rpg's have gone from the base root term to their own unique kind of playstyle. I think that makes pokemon an rpg of modern times. Perhaps it was it's own unique genre, but now it falls in with the other turn based move selecting games like final fantasy and such.

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lordbelial669 : That's a vast generalization of the RPG genre. While it is, directly, an acronym standing for role playing game, there's more that has always defined the genre of RPG than that.
lordbelial669 : That's a vast generalization of the RPG genre. While it is, directly, an acronym standing for role playing game, there's more that has always defined the genre of RPG than that.

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SWTerra : Of course.  I wouldn't consider anything other than an MMORPG to be anything but an rpg.  Take for instance World of Warcraft.  I have played for over ten years, and I immerse my being into the characters I play.  But roll playing can be taken to the most simplest if games like sonic and mario.  You are playing a roll...that means roll playing.  If I could kick a turtle out of the way that was going to kill me, I would, but no, I have to jump on it, so I have to do what the roll of that character tells me I HAVE to do.  It has nothing to do with leveling stats or traveling worlds.  It simply means that you play a roll of a controllable character
SWTerra : Of course.  I wouldn't consider anything other than an MMORPG to be anything but an rpg.  Take for instance World of Warcraft.  I have played for over ten years, and I immerse my being into the characters I play.  But roll playing can be taken to the most simplest if games like sonic and mario.  You are playing a roll...that means roll playing.  If I could kick a turtle out of the way that was going to kill me, I would, but no, I have to jump on it, so I have to do what the roll of that character tells me I HAVE to do.  It has nothing to do with leveling stats or traveling worlds.  It simply means that you play a roll of a controllable character

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lordbelial669 : Because characters in actual RPGs have no limits?

I'm confused with what you mean.
lordbelial669 : Because characters in actual RPGs have no limits?

I'm confused with what you mean.

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I'm seriously under the opinion that it's not an rpg MAINLY because there's no role to fill in any of the games under the DS releases. An RPG to me is where you come in and the games protagonist and antagonist is predetermined when you start. Yeah I would say it has elements OF an rpg but it doesn't quite fit the status quo. There's also another big difference, In an rpg you usually don't decide the entire roster of your team in battle, however there have been exceptions
I'm seriously under the opinion that it's not an rpg MAINLY because there's no role to fill in any of the games under the DS releases. An RPG to me is where you come in and the games protagonist and antagonist is predetermined when you start. Yeah I would say it has elements OF an rpg but it doesn't quite fit the status quo. There's also another big difference, In an rpg you usually don't decide the entire roster of your team in battle, however there have been exceptions


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Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure the ways games are classified these days are by their gameplay, and not their story.

I consider Pokemon as a RPG because the gameplay, which is turn-based and has RPG-like stuff stats and how the characters (or Pokemon in this case) slowly gain more power and skills as the game goes on by getting exp.

Not all RPG's have a great and detailed story. If a platformer or an FPS had a great story, does that make them an RPG? Not really, since the gameplay for both of the generas I listed is pretty different from RPGs. Do RPG's normally have a good story? Yes, but that's not the determining factor.
Don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure the ways games are classified these days are by their gameplay, and not their story.

I consider Pokemon as a RPG because the gameplay, which is turn-based and has RPG-like stuff stats and how the characters (or Pokemon in this case) slowly gain more power and skills as the game goes on by getting exp.

Not all RPG's have a great and detailed story. If a platformer or an FPS had a great story, does that make them an RPG? Not really, since the gameplay for both of the generas I listed is pretty different from RPGs. Do RPG's normally have a good story? Yes, but that's not the determining factor.

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But I would say for lack of a better word, By design yes in the mechanics of game play it COULD possibly be stated as a part of such genre, but it should have the game mechanics and story elements to be classified that way. It's just my opinion. I mean You can still call a hot dog a hot dog with out the bun and condiments to tie it all together, but not every ones going to want to eat that. Aha
But I would say for lack of a better word, By design yes in the mechanics of game play it COULD possibly be stated as a part of such genre, but it should have the game mechanics and story elements to be classified that way. It's just my opinion. I mean You can still call a hot dog a hot dog with out the bun and condiments to tie it all together, but not every ones going to want to eat that. Aha

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then why even label said, "RPGS" as RPGS? Any common gamer with good sense would know by this point to put storyless games such as Pokemon and others that lack in the theatrics in thier OWN LINE of gaming! And nothing wrong with that, mind you. Being as our kind pokeverse started it, and mind you, I myself am a huge pokemon fanatic, as well as the DIEHARD Final Fantasy player...but should not they be categorized by thier own genre by sheer differentials? MAY MANIC BE THE FIRST TO COIN THE PHRASE...PKRPG, IE:, lacking in detail of story or character mods or such. If you feel it don't add up to the full extent of an RPG, call it a PKRPG? Wynaut?
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then why even label said, "RPGS" as RPGS? Any common gamer with good sense would know by this point to put storyless games such as Pokemon and others that lack in the theatrics in thier OWN LINE of gaming! And nothing wrong with that, mind you. Being as our kind pokeverse started it, and mind you, I myself am a huge pokemon fanatic, as well as the DIEHARD Final Fantasy player...but should not they be categorized by thier own genre by sheer differentials? MAY MANIC BE THE FIRST TO COIN THE PHRASE...PKRPG, IE:, lacking in detail of story or character mods or such. If you feel it don't add up to the full extent of an RPG, call it a PKRPG? Wynaut?

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All of my yes brony. I love Pokémon, but I don't think it's fair to call it an rpg. But I guess in hindsight, it IS an rpg but it probably deserves it's own sub genre
All of my yes brony. I love Pokémon, but I don't think it's fair to call it an rpg. But I guess in hindsight, it IS an rpg but it probably deserves it's own sub genre


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manicman66 : My thing against this is that there aren't as many differences as might be thought of between such games. It'd be best to fit as a sub genre of RPG, as opposed to something seen as a completely different genre.

Hell, games like the Mario & Luigi RPG series have more reason to be seen as not an RPG than Pokémon.
manicman66 : My thing against this is that there aren't as many differences as might be thought of between such games. It'd be best to fit as a sub genre of RPG, as opposed to something seen as a completely different genre.

Hell, games like the Mario & Luigi RPG series have more reason to be seen as not an RPG than Pokémon.

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I don't think storytelling should be a key aspect of RPGs. Games without RPG-elements can focus on storytelling just as much as RPGs do. If an action-oriented game had just as many storytelling elements as an RPG, what aspect would remain to make the RPG genre still relevant?



Also, I think it should be noted that with each generation, Game Freak tries to come up with more compelling storylines for the Pokémon games. It hasn't really worked yet, but at least they're trying now.
I don't think storytelling should be a key aspect of RPGs. Games without RPG-elements can focus on storytelling just as much as RPGs do. If an action-oriented game had just as many storytelling elements as an RPG, what aspect would remain to make the RPG genre still relevant?



Also, I think it should be noted that with each generation, Game Freak tries to come up with more compelling storylines for the Pokémon games. It hasn't really worked yet, but at least they're trying now.

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OrdannonsX : Do the words "role" and "playing" mean nothing to you? The story telling element is a very important element in the entire genre otherwise there'd be no way to separate it from any other genre. rpg and action cross swords very often (see what I did there?) so that's not a very fair comparison. Most games nowadays are multigenre anyways.
OrdannonsX : Do the words "role" and "playing" mean nothing to you? The story telling element is a very important element in the entire genre otherwise there'd be no way to separate it from any other genre. rpg and action cross swords very often (see what I did there?) so that's not a very fair comparison. Most games nowadays are multigenre anyways.

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AppleJohnny : The way I always distinguish an RPG was if it has a level-up system, customizable characters, several options in which to play it, etc. And Pokemon fits that mold nicely.

I never found a vast storyline to be a staple of RPGs, the lore of Gears of War is just as interesting to me as that of Skyrim. And again, Game Freak is making fair attempts at putting more effort into the storylines of the Pokemon games.
AppleJohnny : The way I always distinguish an RPG was if it has a level-up system, customizable characters, several options in which to play it, etc. And Pokemon fits that mold nicely.

I never found a vast storyline to be a staple of RPGs, the lore of Gears of War is just as interesting to me as that of Skyrim. And again, Game Freak is making fair attempts at putting more effort into the storylines of the Pokemon games.

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