I have begun to notice something throughout Mario that has made me ditch the series, for the most part. (I did start playing Mario's journey through time and space, as it was a completely different hack) From the beginning, it seems that nintendo was fixated on throwing magic into this guys games. What I cannot understand is...Why? He is a super-acrobatic plumber for crying out loud! If you do not agree with me on this point of the magic...just go back to the first three super Mario Bros. series. 1. Enemy Bowser uses powerful black magic to take over the mushroom kingdom. Why is that necessary? He is one of the toughest reptiles around! 2. Use magic potions to enter secret areas...Did it really need to be magic potions? Couldn't it be secret keys? 3. They turned the king into a three-headed serpent. you have to fetch the magic wand. Really? Could it not been a scientific serum, and you have to fetch the antidote? From that point on, the magic element seems non-stop to me. Just look at Magikoopa Kameks elevated status! I can't get a Mario Game without seeing his ugly mug. I could be wrong, but it seems to me that the makers of mario have lazy story writers that just explain everything that happens as magic. I am pretty sure a lot of you all are not going to like this post, but I hope that someone will see and appreciate my view on this, even besides the fact that I just do not want magic in the games that I play. 

FaithFighter : Welcome to the realm of fantasy. Writers create and write what they want, some of it will not make sense and they won't worry about it as long as they find a big enough target audience to please, especially for the kiddie games. You should not worry about this so much. 

MysteryMan007 : It's not that I am worried about it, it's more that I dislike the whole bit.

The thing about the Mario series is that the entire series is based around magic with each game. Bowser had black magic in the first game. The second game had magical dream fairies.. (I forget the exact names) The third game had magic wands, Super Mario World had the magical Star Road, and so on. It all comes down to the Mario series being a heavily magical world, where the magic is used to increase the creativity you can put into the game. The Mario world without magic would be without power ups, some types of enemies, and other things. Even if magic can be kinda lazy sometimes. The plot of the original game was that Bowser had conquered the kingdom with magic, and only Princess Toadstool's magic can undo the curse he had placed. So from the beginning, the series was pretty much founded off using magic as a story device.

name543 : A lack of magic in a game would not necessarily necessitate the deletion of various power-ups. The fact is, I already know that Mario is based off all that. What I am saying is, it did not need to be. I mean, it could be sci-fi that mario eats a certain kind of flower or mushroom, and they give him a special ability. And really, most enemies would need need to disappear, as far as I know, only the kameks. I am sure that, it may seem like I am complaining about something that is nothing, but I just feel that the whole thing could have been written differently...On the other hand, I do see your point. Pretty much everything in the mario series revolves around some sort of magic.

Oh I know you meant that the series could be re-written with the sci-fi elements in place and it'd still work. But it seems like it's personal preference on if you prefer magic being there or not. Some people prefer the magical element in the series. I have to say I like the inclusion of the magical elements. But if you'd prefer a sci-fi approach that's your right. If anything, a version of Mario with those elements would be pretty interesting, just wouldn't fit the series as it is currently.

name543 : True, the the magic elements in mario is a sore spot for me, and it is not my wish for them there. I do recognize that many people enjoy it, and that's why they put it there in the first place. I just wanted to see what kind of thoughts and replies I would get from a thread like this.

name543 :  Oh good grief, not another double post! Truly, this was an accident!

Double posts happen sometimes. You don't need to worry about it. Anyway, I kinda thought that was the point of this thread, seeing what discussions both sides could make. I see how the magic might be against what some people want, but the Mario series has always been one that focused on not really caring for the plot details. Magic normally is just a way to explain things. Though, for technology.. Suppose Professor E. Gadd is the closest the series comes to sci fi, seeing he makes all those inventions.. Though, if you want a pure sci fi Mario, the Super Mario Bros movie is the closest the series ever comes. And that movie really took that concept and dropped the ball, so guess that wouldn't be a great place to check.