deg2000 : It's not bad to do a bit funny here, but it won't help a lot if you're not voting seriously. So as long as you're still reasonable about things then it's okay, but if you don't see the point of acting logical then I have to say it's very strange. 

juuldude : Eh well sorry for that misunderstanding but now is the time that I will show some facts that might be useful. 

A user of this : Hahaha I would like to see that. 

okay I feel mlb might be Framer because of these things i'm about to state. There is a small chance he might be the Loose Cannon as well.

Framer : The framer is a mafia based character that every night chooses a person to frame every day round but on conditions. They cannot switch people to frame in the day round they have to keep framing that one person. Because they cannot go against the god father cause when the Gf accepts that frame it is un-changeable. So they have to keep framing that person or go against the Gf's will and break the rules. And he has been showing signs he might be a Framer and they can't go against their own mafia members. These are all things I know for a fact as I have played lot's of mafia games. 

I might have some more info but it will come later just think about what I said here as it is pretty good stuff.

deg2000 :  But the framer isn't in the sign-up thread, which means it isn't a role that can be had .
Explain your LC read for me as well, because I find it quite humorous.  If I was LC you would've died last night because I'm heavily suspicious of you.
Any other theories deg?
Also, GET ACTIVE PEOPLE.  THERE ARE 20 OF US IN HERE DANGIT.

mlb789 : I said it before and I'll say it again, it would seem somewhat likely that the majority of mafia aren't very active if at all besides voting during the day so I think that's something everybody should keep in mind.

My vote is undecided for now.

I agree with
mlb789 : Even if you make just one post here, it's better than nothing. How are we supposed to suspect people based on their posts when they don't even post here?

deg2000 : Well I'm not sure if he can be that as it's not one of the roles here. I don't think he's a Loose Cannon, they get rid of people quickly when they think they're dangerous. I think he is a town sided person like border patrol or doctor maybe, not sure why but I get that feeling. 

Anyways,

FoS: deg2000

Your reasoning is a bit odd, but I don't see it as a reason to vote for you.

mlb789 : What is LC? cause whenever I look this stuff up nothing on what you guys say it is comes up you can't expect everyone to know the same stuff you know. 

juuldude : Actually our doctor died a while ago it Mvp. I'm trying to be logical it's just that i'm somewhat being falsely accusated 

deg2000 : LC is the loose cannon, and you know he is right about that... Remember at least two people have guns, which means that they eliminated threats/ suspicions... I just hope that this will be a lesson to all of us, not to just feel something, but rather know. (Or at least act like it.) 

deg2000 : Isn't it possible there are more than one then? On the other side, we have a lot of rules and many players so maybe you're right. And LC is indeed Loose Cannon like darthyoda said.

Popeye116 : I think it would seem more likely that 1 or 2 mafia members would be active and try to steer away people from voting for mafia members and the rest would be fairly inactive aside from voting during the day not really posting too much. And I don't really think that you posting that would make it any less likely that you'd be mafia compared to others (not neccesairly thinking that you are) you could just as easily say that to try and make people less suspicious of you.

Popeye116 : Just following up on what Zlinqx said. A mafia member most likely wouldn't be completely inactive like you said which increases my suspicion on the inactive ones being trees. However a mafia member could post that and get away with it easily. Someone saying "I'm mafia" could easily be double bluffing which is what a lot of people do. That's basically why if anyone wants to play that game I'll vote for them instantly. I really hate going through all the nonsense like "is he bluffing or telling the truth????".

In my opinion I feel like the Gun Launderers are more of a threat to us then mafia at this point -.-.

You guys are right. I guess anybody could say what I said and then say they aren't mafia :/.
I'm seriously surprised at the lack of activity. We got like what, ten votes?? Come on guys . Since the end of the day is coming, I'm going to vote now. 
Vote: deg2000
I admit I am deliberately bandwagonning here.. I am still rather suspicious of juuldude and supernerd, but I don't have enough of a reason to vote them off. I think deg is playing badly, and I think keeping him alive would make things worse than better, I guess. Also, other people have good reasons. Deg, if you end up being townie sided, I'm sorry.

Actually, I went to the trouble of counting official votes.

With 30 hours to go, all I have are 4 votes for deg2000.

Popeye116, mlb789, Blubcreator, and darthyoda are the only votes I can see so far.

Also...

juuldude :

You probably mean the Forger, rather than Framer. Framer isn't a role.

The Forger also operates a little differently from how you explained it here. The Forger frames people at night, but their role is only revealed if they die THAT night round.

Popeye116 : Eh well maybe someone should at least explain it too me i'm trying my best here and I can't exactly do that can I? If I have no idea how to even defend myself against a bad accusation. I'm trying like I said we just don't have enough facts or evidence to actually suspect someone right now that's why everyone is going left and right making dumb guesses. Your basically letting the Mafia win by not even trying yourselves 

deg2000 : Actually, it is tarter late in the game considering that roughly 10 people are dead. This is the time for action, because if we wait too long, there will only be the Anarchists and the Mafia. The Anarchist leader is still out there, and we don't know much about his actions, but I know that it won't take him too long to take over the town.

darthyoda :  "The Anarchist leader is still out there, and we don't know much about his actions, but I know that it won't take him too long to take over the town."
Who said there was an anarchist leader.  We haven't even seen an anarchist die.
If an anarchist dies at all, heavy FOS on darthyoda for anarchist.  Just saying, we don't even know if there's an anarchist yet (but if we do, please tell me, as I read through all of the dead roles and found zero anarchist roles, and thus this FOS is null/void).
Still on deg2000.  He's still being a detriment and won't fight for himself.  And bad accusation HA.  If you weren't a detriment to the town and being stupid you wouldn't have been accused.

legacyme3 : Actually, I wasn't the one who said that, but
deg2000 : said that. See Leggy his post telling about the role of the Forger instead of the Framer you've been talking about.

Also,
Popeye116 :
Zlinqx :
Blubcreator :

I have to agree with all three of you. It is of course logical that the mafia read through our posts to see who are dangerous towards them or tend to know more than they think, so they would get those members out, and would try to confuse other members. They don't want too much suspicion, so they will try to post only when they have valid points and don't want to go into discussion. However, if every mafia member would do that, then it would be clear who the mafia are, so there sure are some more active ones as well. And yeah, double bluffing is irritating if it goes on for a long time, although it hasn't happened here so far. 

Am I going to vote for somebody? I can't think of good reasons and although deg is suspicious, I don't see him as a potential danger, so that's why he still is my FoS. I still have no vote. I would choose somebody maybe if more people were active with their posts, but of the roughly 20 people only about 6-8 are actively posting, and some of the active ones are already killed, which is a shame.

mlb789 : I think saying stupid is going a little too far and is just plain rude thank you. I'm not exactly a detriment at all your just saying that you have no proof. Just cause i'm not playing the game like you doesn't mean i'm not trying to get information about everyone here. Your technically being useless. I'm helping my own way just stay off my case and being rude

juuldude : I guess it's called Forger in this version.





So I vote for people like this I guess
JK Vote Mlb cause hes a big dummy head. 

deg2000 :  Or maybe I'm just trying to read you.
Also, *you're.

I have a nagging feeling in the back of my head that deg is actually a fool or a tree :/. "vote mlb because he's a big dummy head." Really? I may change my vote to no kill. Maybe a random death would be good for us. I'm keeping it on deg for now, though