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04-20-14 11:57 AM
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So Abortion, do you think it's just legalized murder of babies? Do you think the fetus should have rights considering it is a human being?

Well in my opinion abortion is legalized murder,and the fetus is a person and not just a "lump of cells" that many people perceive it to be. The fetus can feel pain, it has limbs, and a head.During a(n) abortion the fetus (baby) is forcibly removed, its limbs cut off, neck snapped and then reassembled on the operation table to ensue all of the "fetus" (baby) is removed.

Now considering the fetus can feel pain, it has limbs and a brain and it's a developing  living person, I feel it should have rights and it shouldn't be perceived as just a "lump of cells" and you shouldn't be allowed to just flat out kill the fetus. I say your killing the fetus (baby) because that so called "Lump of Cells" was living and developing and you ended the growth and development of a living human being air go killing it, another human being which is murder. 
So Abortion, do you think it's just legalized murder of babies? Do you think the fetus should have rights considering it is a human being?

Well in my opinion abortion is legalized murder,and the fetus is a person and not just a "lump of cells" that many people perceive it to be. The fetus can feel pain, it has limbs, and a head.During a(n) abortion the fetus (baby) is forcibly removed, its limbs cut off, neck snapped and then reassembled on the operation table to ensue all of the "fetus" (baby) is removed.

Now considering the fetus can feel pain, it has limbs and a brain and it's a developing  living person, I feel it should have rights and it shouldn't be perceived as just a "lump of cells" and you shouldn't be allowed to just flat out kill the fetus. I say your killing the fetus (baby) because that so called "Lump of Cells" was living and developing and you ended the growth and development of a living human being air go killing it, another human being which is murder. 
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I half-agree with you. Once it has a brain and a heartbeat, it is a living human. But that doesn't happen until a little ways into the pregnancy. Abortion should be allowed, but not once it has a brain and a heartbeat. Because that's when it stops being a lump of cells and becomes a human.
I half-agree with you. Once it has a brain and a heartbeat, it is a living human. But that doesn't happen until a little ways into the pregnancy. Abortion should be allowed, but not once it has a brain and a heartbeat. Because that's when it stops being a lump of cells and becomes a human.
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Yes abortion is legalized murder. In my opinion and based on my Christian beliefs. Life begins at conception. A fetus is a  person it is a living being. Fetuses's can feel pain they have nerve connections, a brain and limbs. Doctors can say fetuses can't feel pain until 24 weeks. My argument how come some fetuses at 20 weeks have been reported to survive outside of the womb with proper care. At 16 weeks the fetus has a heartbeat. I agree that abortion is murder and it should be banned. 
Yes abortion is legalized murder. In my opinion and based on my Christian beliefs. Life begins at conception. A fetus is a  person it is a living being. Fetuses's can feel pain they have nerve connections, a brain and limbs. Doctors can say fetuses can't feel pain until 24 weeks. My argument how come some fetuses at 20 weeks have been reported to survive outside of the womb with proper care. At 16 weeks the fetus has a heartbeat. I agree that abortion is murder and it should be banned. 
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If you get pregnant by accident and you have a feeling you just can take care of that baby or you have lot of other things messed in your life and all this was not really planned, I don't see anything wrong about in abortion.. There are already too many people in this world and if one chooses to abort his pregnancy why would you call it a legalized murder? It's still just a small little organ inside you, so you can't really call it a human being just yet. I know this might sound harsh, but in my opinion it is not a legalized murder, but I wont judge those who thinks it is. Peace.
If you get pregnant by accident and you have a feeling you just can take care of that baby or you have lot of other things messed in your life and all this was not really planned, I don't see anything wrong about in abortion.. There are already too many people in this world and if one chooses to abort his pregnancy why would you call it a legalized murder? It's still just a small little organ inside you, so you can't really call it a human being just yet. I know this might sound harsh, but in my opinion it is not a legalized murder, but I wont judge those who thinks it is. Peace.
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Neo Arcadia :

First, why are you preaching things if they're just opinions? You're totally right, but state it as fact, not opinion.

What do we have to be moral toward? As a rational, social animal, we need to be moral towards that which we should feel empathy toward, predominately the same species but also, to a lesser extent, other more intelligent or more emotionally relating animals.

Is the zygote/fetus capable of relating to us emotionally? Nope. Is it intelligent? Nope. However, it is the same species, and is a unique individual. Not because of the second reason (which applies to dogs and whales and whatnot), but because of it's individuality and humanness, must we treat the zygote/fetus the same as every other human. The only difference between the zygote/fetus and myself is size.
Neo Arcadia :

First, why are you preaching things if they're just opinions? You're totally right, but state it as fact, not opinion.

What do we have to be moral toward? As a rational, social animal, we need to be moral towards that which we should feel empathy toward, predominately the same species but also, to a lesser extent, other more intelligent or more emotionally relating animals.

Is the zygote/fetus capable of relating to us emotionally? Nope. Is it intelligent? Nope. However, it is the same species, and is a unique individual. Not because of the second reason (which applies to dogs and whales and whatnot), but because of it's individuality and humanness, must we treat the zygote/fetus the same as every other human. The only difference between the zygote/fetus and myself is size.
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Txgangsta : I stated it some what as a(n) opinion so that way it would give the post a little bit of emotion and to get people to wake up and see that a fetus is not "just a bunch of cells" as most people have been believing it is and tough that that is what it is. Also I tend to write facts as opinions so that way it doesn't seem like I'm forcing information on you or making you have "tunnel vision" towards a(n) subject.

(I didn't mean to get off topic just felt I should explain my reason for wording the post the way I did)
Txgangsta : I stated it some what as a(n) opinion so that way it would give the post a little bit of emotion and to get people to wake up and see that a fetus is not "just a bunch of cells" as most people have been believing it is and tough that that is what it is. Also I tend to write facts as opinions so that way it doesn't seem like I'm forcing information on you or making you have "tunnel vision" towards a(n) subject.

(I didn't mean to get off topic just felt I should explain my reason for wording the post the way I did)
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Neo Arcadia :

Ok, so long as you think the existence of that person is objective fact. As for the "its just a bunch of cells" argument, everything is "just a bunch of cells", but I can't abort a 20 year old while he's sleeping because he "doesn't act like a human" when in that condition.

I've also heard "its like a parasite". I actually agree. And it remains a parasite until it gets a job and moves out of the house! Still doesn't mean we can kill it.

The most common argument I've heard is that "it isn't a person". They know it's human, but it is either "not an individual" or "isn't a person". They agree we shouldn't kill innocent people, but denying one of these facts makes the fetus no longer a person. I think these two facts are blatantly obvious through the technology we have today, but people seem reluctant to agree...
Neo Arcadia :

Ok, so long as you think the existence of that person is objective fact. As for the "its just a bunch of cells" argument, everything is "just a bunch of cells", but I can't abort a 20 year old while he's sleeping because he "doesn't act like a human" when in that condition.

I've also heard "its like a parasite". I actually agree. And it remains a parasite until it gets a job and moves out of the house! Still doesn't mean we can kill it.

The most common argument I've heard is that "it isn't a person". They know it's human, but it is either "not an individual" or "isn't a person". They agree we shouldn't kill innocent people, but denying one of these facts makes the fetus no longer a person. I think these two facts are blatantly obvious through the technology we have today, but people seem reluctant to agree...
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Txgangsta : I can see how you could compare a fetus to a parasite considering it does feed, and basically survives off it's host (mother). Also I find it horrendous that people this day in age still deny that the fetus isn't a person, after all they know full well that it's a human being, living and developing but as you said this is blatantly obvious but people seem reluctant to agree. Honestly I think the fetus should have the right to life, after all life is one of the rights we have in this country. 
Txgangsta : I can see how you could compare a fetus to a parasite considering it does feed, and basically survives off it's host (mother). Also I find it horrendous that people this day in age still deny that the fetus isn't a person, after all they know full well that it's a human being, living and developing but as you said this is blatantly obvious but people seem reluctant to agree. Honestly I think the fetus should have the right to life, after all life is one of the rights we have in this country. 
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This is just my opinion.
I also sort of agree that fetuses are parasites but it is not right to kill fetuses at all.
They should not be considered just lumps of cells because the parents were lumps of cells once if that is how they perceive it.
When they kill unborn fetuses they take away all the memories that child and the parents could of experienced together.

This is just my opinion.
I also sort of agree that fetuses are parasites but it is not right to kill fetuses at all.
They should not be considered just lumps of cells because the parents were lumps of cells once if that is how they perceive it.
When they kill unborn fetuses they take away all the memories that child and the parents could of experienced together.

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It is kinda murder yes. I was always taught that abortion was wrong. (At first i did not know the difference between abortion and being dead in the mama.... dumb 4 year old me) But anyway: I think it is wrong because you don't know if someone has a second life or not. It just feels wrong and it is hard to explain. The fetus could have been a great scientist or something.


knockout575 : Agreed.
It is kinda murder yes. I was always taught that abortion was wrong. (At first i did not know the difference between abortion and being dead in the mama.... dumb 4 year old me) But anyway: I think it is wrong because you don't know if someone has a second life or not. It just feels wrong and it is hard to explain. The fetus could have been a great scientist or something.


knockout575 : Agreed.
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