As it stands, there are 9 votes for no-kill, which is well over majority, even if the rest voted for the same person.

Because of the incredibly fast activity, I'll end the day round tonight, at around midnight EST, to give everyone else a chance to post their opinion.

It's good to see that the Doctor helped avoid a Town casualty. At least we can confirm that Mrfe isn't Mafia. Since there's going to be a no kill today, it's kind of like we're staring anew. Hopefully we can find the Mafia soon so that we can get out of here and get that cure.

Vote: No Kill

While it's most likely that mrfe isn't mafia, it's not 100% either. Some of the mafia members didn't know who the others were in the last gmae. It would be just like Leggy to pull something sneaky like that again.

Surgiac :

Even if we assume he isn't mafia, which is a decently safe assumption, there's no way to know that he's townsided still right? He could be a leggyist or some other thrid party, could he not?

The gang gathered around in the main hall, concerned about the lack of death last night.

"Don't get me wrong..." one such person stated, "I think we should definitely try to avoid casualties. But we're not going to find out anything on Day 1."

The rest of the group nodded, some more hesitantly than others.

The only way to advance is to leave yourselves wide open, and thus, the weapon of the town, the loudspeaker, was no more (for today).

The group assented to just let by gones be by gones, and retired to their rooms, confident they had made progress.

Maybe... maybe no one would need to die this time.

pokemon x :
megamanmaniac :
Surgiac :
yoshirulez! :
pacman1755 :
alexanyways :
patar4097 :
A user of this :
mrfe :
soxfan849 :
EideticMemory :
KG :
mlb789 :
supernerd117 :

It is now a night round, get your night actions in ASAP!

And in case it wasn't clear, you all chose to no kill.

It appears to be pretty quiet in the town tonight. It's definitely showing that the game that's restricted to Trusted+ cuts the unnecessary posts down tenfold. I wonder if that'll be good or bad for us in the long run.

The night came... the many stuck in Innocent Town protested, but the march of time swallows all of us.

And time demanded it was finally time for someone to die.

As the night drove on, all that could be heard was one man's shriek of terror. No one would leave their room to investigate though, fearing they may be next.

When day broke, the first thing on everyone's mind was who made that shriek last night. Counting heads, everyone was appalled to find the one person missing was a veteran. And not just any veteran, the veteran who has the most mafia experience of everyone else playing this round.

pacman1755 was missing. They went to his room.

And there, they found him. He was killed dead in the night. Preparing his body to be buried, they decided to turn out his pockets.

It was in those pockets that they found a card.

He was the Doctor.

What a blow.

Even with his death though, the game must go on.

And maybe this time, there won't be a no-kill.

pokemon x :
megamanmaniac :
Surgiac :
yoshirulez! :
alexanyways :
patar4097 :
A user of this :
mrfe :
soxfan849 :
EideticMemory :
KG :
mlb789 :
supernerd117 :

It is a day round. You have 48 hours to make your vote!

WHAT.

In retrospect, I love the self-praise in his no-kill post. RIP.

I still feel like I know absolutely nothing. Anyone want to take a leap of faith?

For the time being, No Kill. Who would want to kill two veteran members and those two, specifically?

I'm unsure how to vote so, for the time being, I'm not voting.


FoS: EideticMemory


You're only slightly on my radar. You haven't really done much, but you have me watching you.

This game is much harder than all before. No one has hinted much even the much they did I couldn't figure out anything.

Vote: No Kill
But pac why you die as a doctor. Let us hope we have another doctor to last.

For now, my vote is No-Kill.  We just have so little to go on, but we have to be more careful from now on.  Pacman's self-praise likely revealed his identity and got him killed.  We need to go back over the remaining players' statements, see if we missed anything.  If Pacman slipped up, it's likely the mafia will, or has already.

Everyone else seems to have the right idea

No-Kill

If we just no kill every day without even talking, we'll never have anything to go on. We need to at least talk. How many mafia members do we think there are? I'd guess at leas 4, since we started with 14 people. I think 5 might be a little high.

FoS: yoshirulez!


No kill is the right idea? While I believe we shouldn't be hasty & we should discuss things, I don't think no kill is the "right idea".

Surgiac :

I think you're right. Assuming there are 4 mafia members, it's currently 9-4. So there are a few things that could happen. Pretty much worst case scenario, it would look like this:

• Now, 9-4
  
• We miskill, 8-4
  
• They kill, 7-4
  
• We miskill, 6-4
  
• They kill, 5-4
  
• It's lynch or you lose (lylo), we have to kill
  -----------------------------------------------------
  
• Kills by the town before reaching lylo = 2
  
• Kills by the mafia before reaching lylo = 2
  

If we choose not to lynch, then it looks more like this:

• Now, 9-4
  
• We no kill, 9-4
  
• They kill, 8-4
  
• We miskill, 7-4
  
• They kill, 6-4
  
• It's mislynch and you lose, we're better off no killing, 6-4
  
• They kill, 5-4
  
• It's lynch or you lose (lylo), we have to kill
  -----------------------------------------------------
  
• Kills by the town before reaching lylo = 1
  
• Kills by the mafia before reaching lylo = 3
  

So if we think that the mafia has 4 members, then I think now is the best time to kill. That way we end up in a lylo after having two chances to kill a mafia instead of just one. Of course, you might question how safe it is to assume that there are only 4 members. And it's a fair point. Maybe there are 5, so I'll look at that, too. I don't expect to see 6 or more members in the mafia in such a small game, so I won't bother with those.

Worst case scenario for 5 members of the mafia, and a kill today:

• Now, 8-5
  
• We miskill, 7-5
  
• They kill, 6-5
  
• It's lynch or you lose (lylo), we have to kill
  -----------------------------------------------------
  
• Kills by the town before reaching lylo = 1
  
• Kills by the mafia before reaching lylo = 1
  

So both end up in lynch or you lose, without ever being in a mislynch and you lose. Not killing in this situation looks like this:

• Now, 8-5
  
• We no kill, 8-5
  
• They kill, 7-5
  
• It's mislynch and you lose, we're better off no killing, 7-5
  
• They kill, 6-5
  
• It's lynch or you lose (lylo), we have to kill
  -----------------------------------------------------
  
• Kills by the town before reaching lylo = 0
  
• Kills by the mafia before reaching lylo = 2
  

We need to lynch, despite the fact that it's dangerous. If we wait and let the mafia thin us out before taking a chance on a lynch, then there's no chance a member of the mafia dies. Yes we might lynch a town member, and that sucks, but at least there's a chance that we hit scum. We can sit here and not lynch because "we don't want to act on little information," but unless we start to do something that information isn't just going to come to us. We'll just die one by one until it's too late.

sox849: Impressive post, and you make some very good points.  But I'm still not completely convinced we need to lynch someone this round.  I'm leaning towards yoshirulez for a throwaway post, but that's still very little to go on.

I'll change my vote to yoshirulez for now.

edit: It would make quite a bit of sense if yoshirulez is the fool.  But I'm willing to take a chance.  My understanding is that the fools' votes don't count, right?

I'm still not 100% on how to vote yet. While yoshi is presenting himself to be a good candidate, there is the possibility that he could be a Fool. I'll wait until he responds before I cast any votes.

soxfan849 :  I wouldn't rule out 3 mafia members.  It's usually about 25% mafia and that's 3.5 mafia members for the 14 person game, so depending on how sadistic leggy is to either side I imagine 3-4 instead of 4-5.

mlb789 :

Got it, thanks for the input. I can do 3 members:

• Now, 10-3
  
• We miskill, 9-3
  
• They kill, 8-3
  
• We miskill, 7-3
  
• They kill, 6-3
  
• We miskill, 5-3
  
• They kill, 4-3
  
• It's lynch or you lose, we need to kill
  

Ultimately, with the numbers we have now, it's best to kill someone. Of course, if there are only 3 members of the mafia, then we have quite a while before we run into lylo/mylo problems. We'd just have to determine if it's better to start trying to take out members of the mafia, or try to keep as many power roles alive to let them try to get some more information.