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Is science compatible with religion (at all)?

 

04-30-14 06:11 PM
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MagneCross :
He was sent to a religious school by his father and hated it.
What does that have to do with the question though? Darwin is not science. He contributed toward it but that doesn't make him some kind of atheistic Messiah.

Txgangsta :
"the bible is absurdly accurate"
That swings in roundabouts.
The Bible says god created 2 lights (sun and the Moon) despite the Moon emitting no light.
Equally it said the sun was created on the 4th day, despite the absence of the sun meaning there was as yet no division of night and day. Which coincidentally links to the science comparison.
I could go on but I think you get the gist.
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He was sent to a religious school by his father and hated it.
What does that have to do with the question though? Darwin is not science. He contributed toward it but that doesn't make him some kind of atheistic Messiah.

Txgangsta :
"the bible is absurdly accurate"
That swings in roundabouts.
The Bible says god created 2 lights (sun and the Moon) despite the Moon emitting no light.
Equally it said the sun was created on the 4th day, despite the absence of the sun meaning there was as yet no division of night and day. Which coincidentally links to the science comparison.
I could go on but I think you get the gist.

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thenumberone :

The bible is also not a history or science text book =)

Genesis 1 is about how God created. It's a slap in the face to other religions. You worship the sun? Our God created that. Sucks to be you.

Taken as a whole, it's about order. God is in charge, God is orderly. Especially compared to Babylonian creation stories, which revolve around chaos, our God made things intentionally and "saw it was good". If you read it as a science text book of the 21st century, the whole thing is awful. If you read it as a Semitic text from ~1000-400 BC, it's a beautiful piece of work.
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The bible is also not a history or science text book =)

Genesis 1 is about how God created. It's a slap in the face to other religions. You worship the sun? Our God created that. Sucks to be you.

Taken as a whole, it's about order. God is in charge, God is orderly. Especially compared to Babylonian creation stories, which revolve around chaos, our God made things intentionally and "saw it was good". If you read it as a science text book of the 21st century, the whole thing is awful. If you read it as a Semitic text from ~1000-400 BC, it's a beautiful piece of work.

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As many have already said- it depends on the religion in question. 
But in order to answer the question, it's necessary to step back and look at how we define religion. As a baseline, religion is an inherent belief on a particular event or series of events that are of great significance, i.e. the creation of the world. It also encompasses the causes and effects of these events- i.e. God is responsible for the creation of the world. It seems like a reasonable outline, but then you could go on to say that Atheists are religious, in the sense that they believe that Earth was created without God- as is the literal meaning of the word "Atheist". Atheist literally means, 'without god'. Christians, or people of similar faith, are Theists, meaning 'with god'. So it's not really correct to say that Atheists lack religion, per se, they just don't believe in God, or the concept of a God. 
There are plenty of religions that don't involve God, gods, or a believe in some grand higher power. For example, Wiccanism is a religion centered around meditation and keeping the body in tune with the Elements and astral influences to further its ability to use supernatural power. There's no God in that equation, yet Wiccanism is still very much a religion. To a Wiccan, there is no "supernatural". There is Magic, though. Or, stepping it up a notch, Satanism- which is pretty much the same as Wiccanism, except including the belief of the existence of Demons and Satan, the one big difference being that Satanists claim that everything in the religion can be explained with science. 
I've often said that the only difference between Magic and Science is being able to explain why a certain thing happens. And that's the reason that religion is largely being debunked in our modern time. Back when we couldn't explain why things worked the way they did, we had no choice to attribute it to some all-powerful being, like God. But now, as technology progresses and we are gradually gaining the ability to explain how stuff works, people are less inclined to turn to a higher supernatural being when the scientific evidence is right in front of them. But, this is just an observation, not a blanket statement- as it is obvious religion is still largely existent today. 
It's all a matter of perspective, really. More often than not, you can either pick science or religion- unless your religion is science. 
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As many have already said- it depends on the religion in question. 
But in order to answer the question, it's necessary to step back and look at how we define religion. As a baseline, religion is an inherent belief on a particular event or series of events that are of great significance, i.e. the creation of the world. It also encompasses the causes and effects of these events- i.e. God is responsible for the creation of the world. It seems like a reasonable outline, but then you could go on to say that Atheists are religious, in the sense that they believe that Earth was created without God- as is the literal meaning of the word "Atheist". Atheist literally means, 'without god'. Christians, or people of similar faith, are Theists, meaning 'with god'. So it's not really correct to say that Atheists lack religion, per se, they just don't believe in God, or the concept of a God. 
There are plenty of religions that don't involve God, gods, or a believe in some grand higher power. For example, Wiccanism is a religion centered around meditation and keeping the body in tune with the Elements and astral influences to further its ability to use supernatural power. There's no God in that equation, yet Wiccanism is still very much a religion. To a Wiccan, there is no "supernatural". There is Magic, though. Or, stepping it up a notch, Satanism- which is pretty much the same as Wiccanism, except including the belief of the existence of Demons and Satan, the one big difference being that Satanists claim that everything in the religion can be explained with science. 
I've often said that the only difference between Magic and Science is being able to explain why a certain thing happens. And that's the reason that religion is largely being debunked in our modern time. Back when we couldn't explain why things worked the way they did, we had no choice to attribute it to some all-powerful being, like God. But now, as technology progresses and we are gradually gaining the ability to explain how stuff works, people are less inclined to turn to a higher supernatural being when the scientific evidence is right in front of them. But, this is just an observation, not a blanket statement- as it is obvious religion is still largely existent today. 
It's all a matter of perspective, really. More often than not, you can either pick science or religion- unless your religion is science. 


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Imo science in most cases proves religion wrong. Fear is a very power full thing that makes people hold on to bronze aged myths.
Imo science in most cases proves religion wrong. Fear is a very power full thing that makes people hold on to bronze aged myths.

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In my mess of a mind, they could be. I am not a person swayed either way on the "god exists" or "no he doesn't." I'm agnostic, which means that I acknowledge the fact that there is no real way to know whether or not God exists, and until there is, we humans have no actual way of knowing. Anyway, maybe God started the Big Bang himself. Maybe God is the creator of science. Maybe science and religion were intertwined since the beginning, and maybe one is completely wrong.
In my mess of a mind, they could be. I am not a person swayed either way on the "god exists" or "no he doesn't." I'm agnostic, which means that I acknowledge the fact that there is no real way to know whether or not God exists, and until there is, we humans have no actual way of knowing. Anyway, maybe God started the Big Bang himself. Maybe God is the creator of science. Maybe science and religion were intertwined since the beginning, and maybe one is completely wrong.

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Technically god could have set off the big bang.
Technically god could have set off the big bang.

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4cars2 : That made me laugh a little, but I'm sure you were serious and that is a very legitimate point, but still haha.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution theist evolution followers can and do exist :3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_interpretations_of_the_Big_Bang_theory like what 4cars2 said

so yeah, they can be compatible and some theists are very smart.
4cars2 : That made me laugh a little, but I'm sure you were serious and that is a very legitimate point, but still haha.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolution theist evolution followers can and do exist :3
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_interpretations_of_the_Big_Bang_theory like what 4cars2 said

so yeah, they can be compatible and some theists are very smart.

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