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04-15-13 11:28 PM
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Shogun Gamer : Well said.

rcarter2 : I have an example of where a 100 word review would be fine. If someone was to review a hack but simply just wanted to let others know what was different, that review might only be around 100 words.

Lets say you have a graphic and level hack of Super Mario Bros. Basically you'd just talk about what graphics are different, how challenging the new layout is and that's basically all you can really say. A review like that I think would be fine because users might just want to know what's different and don't need to hear the things about Super Mario Bros that everyone already knows. If someone is looking to play a hack of Super Mario Bros, they probably already have played the original and know what it's about so they don't need to know what it's about, all they'd need to know is what's different.

MoblinGardens : They don't get Viz or CP for making reviews under 250 words so they're not benefiting at all from making a short review.
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I'm of the following opinion.

The words itself don't matter. It can be 50, 100, 500, or 3000 words. Length =/= quality.

What DOES matter is the quality of the reviews made. I think there needs to be some sort of review police that removes the bad reviews from the site, so as to not clog up the site's good ones.
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legacyme3 : I do have 2 staff members who I have recently appointed to looking through all new reviews and rating them. If we can get most of the reviews rated, than all of the bad reviews will be hidden and out of the way while the good reviews are at the top for everyone to see. That solves this problem.

These 2 staff members will also help get the plagiarized reviews trashed.
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Davideo7 :

Then the problem is as solved as it is going to get

I'd reccommend having others added onto the role as well though, especially because there is a large backlog of reviews to rate.
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Davideo7 : Has it been changed recently? It was allowing 99 words and under to be submitted last I checked, but as I said, that isn't an issue as far as I'm concerned. It wasn't hurting the forum any, and the mods just close or trash them anyway.
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Davideo7 : Would that not be like pretending the problem isnt there?
Eirinn : As far as I know, it has never limited anyone with that. By all means it should, even with the limit it has now.
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Eirinn : Maybe it's not automated, I thought it was.

tails the fox : What do you mean?
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Davideo7 : What if someone searches through the list? They will find the bad ones.
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tails the fox : That's fine because even the bad reviews offer something useful, they offer scores. Overall score, graphic score, story score, difficulty score, etc. What I could do though is maybe make it so reviews that have too bad of a rating don't get displayed on the game's page.
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Davideo7 : That is a good idea. Though do you think you could impliment a thing that wont let the reviews under 100 word get published?
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tails the fox : You mean automate it? Yeah I can do that. Actually it's probably already in the code but it probably just got disabled somehow because that's the way it's suppose to be.
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Davideo7 : If you do, we would be grateful. I can imagine there is a lot of code though. I hope you know what to do if instead of it being disabled but instead deleted.
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Since I didn't get the chance to voice my opinion on this thread yet, I'll just give my views on all of this.

Force people to beat video games before reviewing them? What if they're not good enough at the game to beat it entirely? Or what if they've already beaten it on different software? The site couldn't just detect that, you know. By the way, there's also games that are terrible, or impossible to beat? Like, say Fighting Hero? Slaughter Sport? Pac-Man or some other game that goes on indefinitely? THIS IS STUPID! WHERE DID YOU COME UP WITH THIS IDEA!?

...Alright, just had to get that off my chest. Anyway, the 100 word minimum sounds like a good idea, considering it's already in the rule list for reviews despite having no enforcement besides moderation.
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I don't necessarily think word count is the issue here. I think it's more of a misunderstanding as to what a review is. I've read a couple that are within the 100 word count, but what they wrote was not even a review, but more like a comment. There is a difference between a good, detailed review and an elongated comment. Saying that the game is fun, looks cool, "I like it" "I don't like it", are basically comments, but they don't analyze the game and they don't make a case as to why the game ITSELF is good or bad on its own. A review should be something that attempts to convince others to play this game or to stay away from it. Instead of saying broad, general descriptions of the game, the opinion should be supported either through experience and research, and the opinion needs to be in a persuasive nature. A good review is when I have never played this game before, and in reading the review, it draws me or pushes me away from the game. A bad review is when the review doesn't make me consider about siding either way for a game that I have never played (or worse, not even care about the game itself).

You also don't have to beat the whole game before reviewing the game. Sure, getting the whole game down would provide you a whole and better picture of what the game is like, but it is not necessary, especially for games that tend to be doing the same thing level after level. You know what the games is like by playing it.

I think for newer (and probably younger users), we need to explain to them what a review is. I think this is probably the best way to avoid producing bad reviews.

David, Tails, thoughts?
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The problem is that I am not sure how we can burn it into the newer users minds what they have to abide by. I have talked with David and he said he would make it so that the minimum must be reached, but it's the other rules that I am not sure on. Any ideas on how to enforce them?

Davideo7 : I thought I might summon you since the topic is moving on. Any thoughts on the above post by play4fun?
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tails the fox :
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I just think that we need a clear definition of what a review is and you want to get it in new users' minds to understand the difference between a comment and a review. We need to be somewhat strict about this. I've seen some members who comment on a review made by someone who doesn't get what a review is, and some of the things that they say are like "oh, you didn't write enough" or "just add more detail, and it will be a review" when the main problem that I tend to see is that these new reviewers don't understand that a review is a detailed, persuasive writing to provide support on WHY this game is good or bad, and some members might be too nice to tell them directly (but kindly) "This is not a review." It doesn't matter if someone is new or not in order to write a review. Obviously you get better when you write more and more, but if someone isn't writing what is considered to be a review in the first place, we need to straight up tell them that.
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play4fun : You seem to know what makes a good review so maybe you could make a thread title "Review Advice" or "Review Tips" or something similar and make a detailed thread explaining what you basically explained here and I can stick it in the Reviews forum. Since you can't make threads directly in that forum, you can make that thread in this forum and than let me know of the thread and I can move it.
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Davideo7 : I might just do that, though I think the better reviewers of this site should throw in their takes in that thread as well, since I know that trying to say makes a review a good review can be subjective to some people. Also the fact that I'm not a staff member on this forum (planning to be soon) and have only done two game reviews on this site so far. I have done other reviews on my own in my blog and other places, but I might not have that high of a credibility here other than the fact that I've been here for a while) I think it is more agreeable among the more experienced reviewers what is considered a bad review...we just need to express it out so that more people can understand it.

I'll work on it soon.
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Davideo7 : Well I think I will be reaching the 750 CP by the end of this month, so I can wait till then...although I am seeing some more bad reviews, so I am probably going to start brainstorming how I'm gonna write this.

Also, is there a way to have the ratings of the review be in the review thread as well, since it can be a hassle to go all the way to the RGR to rate a review that you saw in the Review forums.
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