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04-02-13 08:56 PM
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Video Games Keep Getting Flack.
Why?

In recent events there was a prominate Critic that Bashed video games again and Claimed that they were the source of humanity destroying itself once again.
Normally I find these people very laughable.
I pay no mind to them.
BUT.
When people actually "Donate" over $100,000.00 in Cash. To fund this persons bills???
I have to give a little pause.
My faith in humanity slips just a little more.
My hand slaps the top of my head (Why did I not try this?).

And eventually there is at least one person who Creates a wonderful counter argument to bring my sanity back.

Three cheers to youtube poster "Thunderf00t".
Thank you dude.
Here's a link to explain my pain. And his wonderful Video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJeX6F-Q63I

Remember folks. For all the people wanting to complain about video games creating social problems?
Remind them that games are products that have to be purchased.
Don't like em? Don't buy em.
I have a similar argument for people who do not like particular programs on T.V. and Radio.
"Change the Channel."

Good Luck To All.
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Video Games Keep Getting Flack.
Why?

In recent events there was a prominate Critic that Bashed video games again and Claimed that they were the source of humanity destroying itself once again.
Normally I find these people very laughable.
I pay no mind to them.
BUT.
When people actually "Donate" over $100,000.00 in Cash. To fund this persons bills???
I have to give a little pause.
My faith in humanity slips just a little more.
My hand slaps the top of my head (Why did I not try this?).

And eventually there is at least one person who Creates a wonderful counter argument to bring my sanity back.

Three cheers to youtube poster "Thunderf00t".
Thank you dude.
Here's a link to explain my pain. And his wonderful Video.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJeX6F-Q63I

Remember folks. For all the people wanting to complain about video games creating social problems?
Remind them that games are products that have to be purchased.
Don't like em? Don't buy em.
I have a similar argument for people who do not like particular programs on T.V. and Radio.
"Change the Channel."

Good Luck To All.
Peace.


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if game mess up society they why do people yet there childern buy they why do you have to complain about it for hour till someone finally makes you wish why dont you stop being so over protective and let the facts be this if you think a game is to violent than don't let  your children play them than don't mess it up for us older people 
if game mess up society they why do people yet there childern buy they why do you have to complain about it for hour till someone finally makes you wish why dont you stop being so over protective and let the facts be this if you think a game is to violent than don't let  your children play them than don't mess it up for us older people 
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All they do is think of the next "big thing" which just turns out to be a carbon copy of the game before it with a few new weapons...
Indie developers are some of the only people coming up with fresh new ideas.
All they do is think of the next "big thing" which just turns out to be a carbon copy of the game before it with a few new weapons...
Indie developers are some of the only people coming up with fresh new ideas.
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Well games just suggest violent acts, but children actually commit them and use games as there excuse to atone for what they did, but the blame should not just be on the gaming industry alone, there are plenty of violent songs, movies and shows that suggest violence and killing.
Well games just suggest violent acts, but children actually commit them and use games as there excuse to atone for what they did, but the blame should not just be on the gaming industry alone, there are plenty of violent songs, movies and shows that suggest violence and killing.
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I completely agree with everything Marcus just said, the gaming industry cant be held to fault over this.
If they are then other industry's must be taken in to consideration also.
Movies can be violent and suggest things to kids, cartoons/anime can do exactly the same thing.
Not to mention music, with some of the rap music out today, some kids take that to seriously and act out this stuff.

There is also the matter of, if you don't want children subjected to the kind of things shown on games, then you as the parent should say no. If you aren't a parent and are drumming up noise about it anyway, then I personally say what is the point?
You have no say over how other people raise their children, so making a fuss about it wont get you anywhere.

If anything I think the people that bash games like this, do more harm to the world then game companies bring these games out.
 
I completely agree with everything Marcus just said, the gaming industry cant be held to fault over this.
If they are then other industry's must be taken in to consideration also.
Movies can be violent and suggest things to kids, cartoons/anime can do exactly the same thing.
Not to mention music, with some of the rap music out today, some kids take that to seriously and act out this stuff.

There is also the matter of, if you don't want children subjected to the kind of things shown on games, then you as the parent should say no. If you aren't a parent and are drumming up noise about it anyway, then I personally say what is the point?
You have no say over how other people raise their children, so making a fuss about it wont get you anywhere.

If anything I think the people that bash games like this, do more harm to the world then game companies bring these games out.
 
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Thanks guys for being in agreement with me.
I do have to pose the question again and make it clear.

$100,000.00 Dollars was given in exchange for a person to complain.

Why would anyone fund a project to Bash an item that can be or not be purchased?
"To be or not to be."

But trading cash for the act of complaining that anyone can do?

I have to ask why people are dumb enough to give money to such a project and not donate cash to a worthy cause like feeding the poor, or feeing people from tyrants, or even curing cancer?

This fact, that did happen, sends chills down my very core.
I am well aware that many people are spiteful of gainful enterprize. "The old Rich Vs Poor Thing."
But
There are times that I have to pause and wonder where we (as a people) are headed.
Where are we headed?

Is the common person so blinded by hate that they can not understand that they are funding people to suggest control and mayhap even slavish obedience?

Or Are they dumb enough to not realize that they bought some fool a house just to create an argument that supports a hateful agenda?

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Good Luck Indeed To Us All.
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Thanks guys for being in agreement with me.
I do have to pose the question again and make it clear.

$100,000.00 Dollars was given in exchange for a person to complain.

Why would anyone fund a project to Bash an item that can be or not be purchased?
"To be or not to be."

But trading cash for the act of complaining that anyone can do?

I have to ask why people are dumb enough to give money to such a project and not donate cash to a worthy cause like feeding the poor, or feeing people from tyrants, or even curing cancer?

This fact, that did happen, sends chills down my very core.
I am well aware that many people are spiteful of gainful enterprize. "The old Rich Vs Poor Thing."
But
There are times that I have to pause and wonder where we (as a people) are headed.
Where are we headed?

Is the common person so blinded by hate that they can not understand that they are funding people to suggest control and mayhap even slavish obedience?

Or Are they dumb enough to not realize that they bought some fool a house just to create an argument that supports a hateful agenda?

Good Luck To All.
Good Luck Indeed To Us All.
Peace.
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The original question is: Why do video games get complaints?

1.  Video games introduce the idea of violence and aggression to children.  Do games like Grand Theft Auto teach kids to rob hookers and beat people up and commit crimes?  No.  But they do teach physical violence as an outlet for energy.  This is a violent world and humans are naturally aggressive.  Video games opens the idea of violence as acceptable, at least as acceptable as violent movies.

If you disagree, then you have no problem letting a 7 year old play Manhunt.

2.  Video games also teach kids to sit inside on a couch and stare at a tv for hours on end.  They teach kids to be fat and disgusting instead of going outside and playing sports, using their imagination, or creating on their own.  Video games teach kids they need more stimulation than their own minds to have fun.

If you disagree, stop playing games for a week and see what happens.  Suddenly, ideas spring to life and you get more creative once you get past the withdrawl.

3.  Video games give instant rewards.  There aren't games nowadays where you have to grind levels to advance and get better.  Playing Dragon Warrior II and leveling to increase your abilities to win isn't something that kids nowadays have to deal with.  There are cheat codes, FAQs online, easy levels, and skipping important elements to the story.  Kids just blast through games without actually working for them.  Video games teach kids ME NOW! and don't allow them to deal with frustration.


Yes, video games aren't to blame.  parents need to take control of their kids and teach them actions have consequences.  But video games can certainly derail efforts.  Watch videos of kids screaming because their parents tell them to eat dinner instead of finishing Pokemon.  Tell me that kid doesn't deserve a punch to the face.
The original question is: Why do video games get complaints?

1.  Video games introduce the idea of violence and aggression to children.  Do games like Grand Theft Auto teach kids to rob hookers and beat people up and commit crimes?  No.  But they do teach physical violence as an outlet for energy.  This is a violent world and humans are naturally aggressive.  Video games opens the idea of violence as acceptable, at least as acceptable as violent movies.

If you disagree, then you have no problem letting a 7 year old play Manhunt.

2.  Video games also teach kids to sit inside on a couch and stare at a tv for hours on end.  They teach kids to be fat and disgusting instead of going outside and playing sports, using their imagination, or creating on their own.  Video games teach kids they need more stimulation than their own minds to have fun.

If you disagree, stop playing games for a week and see what happens.  Suddenly, ideas spring to life and you get more creative once you get past the withdrawl.

3.  Video games give instant rewards.  There aren't games nowadays where you have to grind levels to advance and get better.  Playing Dragon Warrior II and leveling to increase your abilities to win isn't something that kids nowadays have to deal with.  There are cheat codes, FAQs online, easy levels, and skipping important elements to the story.  Kids just blast through games without actually working for them.  Video games teach kids ME NOW! and don't allow them to deal with frustration.


Yes, video games aren't to blame.  parents need to take control of their kids and teach them actions have consequences.  But video games can certainly derail efforts.  Watch videos of kids screaming because their parents tell them to eat dinner instead of finishing Pokemon.  Tell me that kid doesn't deserve a punch to the face.
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warmaker :
I think that kids are lazy too. Particularly Modern ones. Plus I do think that Parents are apart of the trend.
So in many ways I agree with allot that you have stated.

But using the logic you have with your first "Point"?
You might say the Michealangelo's statue of David and other works of art by a specific creators can encourage homosexual behavior. That is Bull and we all know it.

Does a painting beg to be viewed?
Yes.
Just the same as a game beckons to be played.

What is lacking is Dicipline, Common sense, And General Health. (As you are alluding to.)
BUT
You can not expect a work of art to teach everything a person needs.
Same goes for Music and Video games.
And
You don't.(As your own post states.)

Try to keep in mind that Art, Music, Books, and even Video Games are Not Evil. People are.

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I think that kids are lazy too. Particularly Modern ones. Plus I do think that Parents are apart of the trend.
So in many ways I agree with allot that you have stated.

But using the logic you have with your first "Point"?
You might say the Michealangelo's statue of David and other works of art by a specific creators can encourage homosexual behavior. That is Bull and we all know it.

Does a painting beg to be viewed?
Yes.
Just the same as a game beckons to be played.

What is lacking is Dicipline, Common sense, And General Health. (As you are alluding to.)
BUT
You can not expect a work of art to teach everything a person needs.
Same goes for Music and Video games.
And
You don't.(As your own post states.)

Try to keep in mind that Art, Music, Books, and even Video Games are Not Evil. People are.

Good Luck To All.
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I really loved that video you posted in the first post. It was amusing but all very true.

I'm not saying the "damsel in distress" is completely without repercussions, but it's not turning girls into weaklings and guys into chauvinists. So many games now features closeable gender and portray woman as very strong (I'm playing Mass Effect 3 now, there are many, if not more, female characters in this game than male, and they are all smart and powerful), and there ARE many games where the protagonist is a female. Yes there is still the "rescue the princess" theme in a lot of games, and yes there are still more male in protagonist roles... but who is the main target audience of most VGs? Isn't males? And on top of that, is it really ruining our children?

I see the feminists' point, and it's not completely dismissible, but come on, it's time to accept that not EVERYTHING is against female empowerment.
I really loved that video you posted in the first post. It was amusing but all very true.

I'm not saying the "damsel in distress" is completely without repercussions, but it's not turning girls into weaklings and guys into chauvinists. So many games now features closeable gender and portray woman as very strong (I'm playing Mass Effect 3 now, there are many, if not more, female characters in this game than male, and they are all smart and powerful), and there ARE many games where the protagonist is a female. Yes there is still the "rescue the princess" theme in a lot of games, and yes there are still more male in protagonist roles... but who is the main target audience of most VGs? Isn't males? And on top of that, is it really ruining our children?

I see the feminists' point, and it's not completely dismissible, but come on, it's time to accept that not EVERYTHING is against female empowerment.
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Light Knight :
I am not upset that a feminist has an opinion that is wrong.
Funny it may be.
But still wrong. It is called "Selective Evidence".
(Had a sibling that was a feminist. She grew out of it eventually.)

We see it all the time.

The part that disturbs me is the fact that people gave her money for it.
1)They paid her to do the job right.
She didn't.
2) With all of the other problems in the world?
They gave this chick money for this?

Absurd behavior is common.
Paying for it is a new world altogether. I can not fathom such a place and here we are living in it.

I have to know why someone would pay for a list of things to complain about.
You go to a diner and don't like the soup you wave to the waiter and be done with it.
You do not pay someone to rant about it.
Let me rephrase....
I hardly think it is a matter that needs $100,000.00 of cash (and then some) to "find the words".

That's What I got for today.

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I am not upset that a feminist has an opinion that is wrong.
Funny it may be.
But still wrong. It is called "Selective Evidence".
(Had a sibling that was a feminist. She grew out of it eventually.)

We see it all the time.

The part that disturbs me is the fact that people gave her money for it.
1)They paid her to do the job right.
She didn't.
2) With all of the other problems in the world?
They gave this chick money for this?

Absurd behavior is common.
Paying for it is a new world altogether. I can not fathom such a place and here we are living in it.

I have to know why someone would pay for a list of things to complain about.
You go to a diner and don't like the soup you wave to the waiter and be done with it.
You do not pay someone to rant about it.
Let me rephrase....
I hardly think it is a matter that needs $100,000.00 of cash (and then some) to "find the words".

That's What I got for today.

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orionfoxgibson :

If "David" were a statue of two men engaging in sex, then it would introduce homosexuality, like porn does.  However, it does not.  It is a nude man.  Nudity and sexuality are apart and not always connected.  Is a female driven to homosexuality looking at the statue of David?  No.  Is a girl introduced to violence playing Tekken?  Yes.

I never said video games are evil.  Games like Small World, Wii Sports, even Final Fantasy that inspire imagination, are wonderful.  They can open up worlds of creativity and story-telling.  They can fire up kids about all sorts of great things.

Your original question was: Why do games get criticized?  I responded.  They allow people, kids in particular, to actively perform violence against others.  Watching a war movie is one thing.  Taking control of an avatar, a representation of you, and killing people is another.

Does that make sense?
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If "David" were a statue of two men engaging in sex, then it would introduce homosexuality, like porn does.  However, it does not.  It is a nude man.  Nudity and sexuality are apart and not always connected.  Is a female driven to homosexuality looking at the statue of David?  No.  Is a girl introduced to violence playing Tekken?  Yes.

I never said video games are evil.  Games like Small World, Wii Sports, even Final Fantasy that inspire imagination, are wonderful.  They can open up worlds of creativity and story-telling.  They can fire up kids about all sorts of great things.

Your original question was: Why do games get criticized?  I responded.  They allow people, kids in particular, to actively perform violence against others.  Watching a war movie is one thing.  Taking control of an avatar, a representation of you, and killing people is another.

Does that make sense?
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typically,feminism is a joke. not because they dont deserve equality, not because they have already achieved it, but because they b***h about stupid S like this. I think most women get irked by these people, because they are getting tarred with the same brush.
in capitalism you can make your disproval known by staging a boycott. in the uk, starbucks was boycotted because they hadnt paid tax, ever. this is because of the very technical fact, that theyre greedy douchebags. the lost revenue meant within a week of the papers reporting this, they decided they should probably pay some tax.
if people have a problem with video games, they have that ability too. half the people that think these games are the csuse of all the worlds problems condone much more dangerous things, like certain drugs or guns. they really ought to prioritise.
typically,feminism is a joke. not because they dont deserve equality, not because they have already achieved it, but because they b***h about stupid S like this. I think most women get irked by these people, because they are getting tarred with the same brush.
in capitalism you can make your disproval known by staging a boycott. in the uk, starbucks was boycotted because they hadnt paid tax, ever. this is because of the very technical fact, that theyre greedy douchebags. the lost revenue meant within a week of the papers reporting this, they decided they should probably pay some tax.
if people have a problem with video games, they have that ability too. half the people that think these games are the csuse of all the worlds problems condone much more dangerous things, like certain drugs or guns. they really ought to prioritise.
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How does Video games go from Video games to the David Statue and Feminism... o-o?
How does Video games go from Video games to the David Statue and Feminism... o-o?
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iN008 :
Video Games are art.
They are music, art, story, and puzzle rolled into one.

A person who claimed to be a professional reviewer decided to review the art through "the goggles of a feminist" and asked for donations to do so.

She scored over $140,000.00 to do so.

The video she produced was not accurate and full of "selective evidence".

A ton of wild stuff to rebutle her argument took place.
Allot of it is nonsense.
A few are Brilliant.
One, (The Video I posted at the top is good).

I asked why do video games get Flack. I asked why would anyone pay money to see a list of complaints.

"Warmaker" mayhap did not fully read or ingest the entire information that was presented.
Then decided to go with the idea that video games could "Influence" behaviour.
That is absurd.
I made the comparison to a famous work of art and possible behaviour it could influence using his logic following it up by stating its nonsense... or bull ... or Bull$#!##.

Back to Feminisim.
It exists in the minds of teenage girls who think the world owes them for the most part.( Out here in America.)
The rest are out in the desert countries, or Island countries trying to free or edjucate the opressed.

One here in the U.S. was paid to make a critic video on video games.
I wanted to know.. Why do people pay to see video games bashed?
There are a dozen other "Causes" that need money.

Why are video games so dangerous?

iN008 :
Video Games are art.
They are music, art, story, and puzzle rolled into one.

A person who claimed to be a professional reviewer decided to review the art through "the goggles of a feminist" and asked for donations to do so.

She scored over $140,000.00 to do so.

The video she produced was not accurate and full of "selective evidence".

A ton of wild stuff to rebutle her argument took place.
Allot of it is nonsense.
A few are Brilliant.
One, (The Video I posted at the top is good).

I asked why do video games get Flack. I asked why would anyone pay money to see a list of complaints.

"Warmaker" mayhap did not fully read or ingest the entire information that was presented.
Then decided to go with the idea that video games could "Influence" behaviour.
That is absurd.
I made the comparison to a famous work of art and possible behaviour it could influence using his logic following it up by stating its nonsense... or bull ... or Bull$#!##.

Back to Feminisim.
It exists in the minds of teenage girls who think the world owes them for the most part.( Out here in America.)
The rest are out in the desert countries, or Island countries trying to free or edjucate the opressed.

One here in the U.S. was paid to make a critic video on video games.
I wanted to know.. Why do people pay to see video games bashed?
There are a dozen other "Causes" that need money.

Why are video games so dangerous?

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People will claim or think anything if there is even a small chance of making money, at the moment blaming games for the problems seems to be the trend so it wasman easy target, they will be saying video games cause the growth of unwanted facial hair next
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When she said she had done a lot of research, after watching it I feel that she only chose ones that would help her with her argument. It's like she's never even heard of Metroid, that features a strong women. I've only played a few of the older games, but that was enough for me to get that Samus isn't some helpless person, like she makes out all women in video games are. And I won't go into Portal (I have never played it. I want to though). I believe that, instead of paying a feminist to do it, as they will most likely be one sided (I cannot remember the proper word for it at the moment) and only choose games that will help them make a single point already chosen, instead of looking at the whole market and actually playing the games, someone part of no such group should be the one that is paid to do this. That's one thing that annoys me, with the whole video games cause violence. And person under 15 should not be able to play these games, as if that is when they play it, unless they are depressed or have mental issues, then it should not cause such situations to occur. This being said I live in Australia, and the highest rating for games here is MA 15+. A lot of people don't know this, but, unlike with movies (here you can get into a theater (?) that is playing an MA movie as long as you have an adult with you if you're between 10-14 (I believe that is the system, correct me if I'm wrong with ANYTHING in my post), while with games it is illegal for anyone under 15 to buy or play these games. Not a lot of people know this, and most swear ignorance, but the fact remains, it falls to the parents to make sure that their children are not exposed to this. I'm not saying they do cause this by themselves, and anyone over 15 should be able to determine right from wrong and it is at a young age that these people learn, from video games, that violence is acceptable.

I think that's it. Please accuse me if some of my arguments seem to support feminist. That could not be further from the truth. I've had my rant for today, now what?
When she said she had done a lot of research, after watching it I feel that she only chose ones that would help her with her argument. It's like she's never even heard of Metroid, that features a strong women. I've only played a few of the older games, but that was enough for me to get that Samus isn't some helpless person, like she makes out all women in video games are. And I won't go into Portal (I have never played it. I want to though). I believe that, instead of paying a feminist to do it, as they will most likely be one sided (I cannot remember the proper word for it at the moment) and only choose games that will help them make a single point already chosen, instead of looking at the whole market and actually playing the games, someone part of no such group should be the one that is paid to do this. That's one thing that annoys me, with the whole video games cause violence. And person under 15 should not be able to play these games, as if that is when they play it, unless they are depressed or have mental issues, then it should not cause such situations to occur. This being said I live in Australia, and the highest rating for games here is MA 15+. A lot of people don't know this, but, unlike with movies (here you can get into a theater (?) that is playing an MA movie as long as you have an adult with you if you're between 10-14 (I believe that is the system, correct me if I'm wrong with ANYTHING in my post), while with games it is illegal for anyone under 15 to buy or play these games. Not a lot of people know this, and most swear ignorance, but the fact remains, it falls to the parents to make sure that their children are not exposed to this. I'm not saying they do cause this by themselves, and anyone over 15 should be able to determine right from wrong and it is at a young age that these people learn, from video games, that violence is acceptable.

I think that's it. Please accuse me if some of my arguments seem to support feminist. That could not be further from the truth. I've had my rant for today, now what?
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