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what do you think is better cd's or cartridges?

 

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what do you think is better cd's or cartridges?

i think that cartridges are better because they dont get dirty as easy.

unlike cartridges cd's can get scratched up very easily
what do you think is better cd's or cartridges?

i think that cartridges are better because they dont get dirty as easy.

unlike cartridges cd's can get scratched up very easily
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I'll do pro's and con's

Cartridge
Pros+
- Wont get Scratched
- Data is loaded quicker off them
- Not easy to pirate (developers POV)

Cons-
- Does not hold as much data as Disc (as far as I know)
- More expensive to produce
- Not easy to pirate (Pirates POV)
- After time, needs a wedging device to position itself in the console

Discs
Pros+
- Holds large amounts of data
- Easy to pirate (Pirates POV)
- In most cases can be ran on PC disc drive through an emulator
- The average computer an replicate the disc (Pirates POV)
- Cheaper to produce
Cons-
- Can get scratched easily
- Takes longer to load data onto console HD

Overall the Disc scored better on my pro's and con's.

I'll do pro's and con's

Cartridge
Pros+
- Wont get Scratched
- Data is loaded quicker off them
- Not easy to pirate (developers POV)

Cons-
- Does not hold as much data as Disc (as far as I know)
- More expensive to produce
- Not easy to pirate (Pirates POV)
- After time, needs a wedging device to position itself in the console

Discs
Pros+
- Holds large amounts of data
- Easy to pirate (Pirates POV)
- In most cases can be ran on PC disc drive through an emulator
- The average computer an replicate the disc (Pirates POV)
- Cheaper to produce
Cons-
- Can get scratched easily
- Takes longer to load data onto console HD

Overall the Disc scored better on my pro's and con's.

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I honestly prefer cartridges. I'm not a big fan of disks. I think that in the future, they'll stop using disks. Why? Let's just think about it. The DS cartridge can hold 1gig of data. That's more than a CD can hold! Not to mention that cartridges load faster, and they're smaller(new ones like DS carts).

I think that cartridges will eventually replace disks. Well, except for UMDs, but that's because UMDs are awesome.
I honestly prefer cartridges. I'm not a big fan of disks. I think that in the future, they'll stop using disks. Why? Let's just think about it. The DS cartridge can hold 1gig of data. That's more than a CD can hold! Not to mention that cartridges load faster, and they're smaller(new ones like DS carts).

I think that cartridges will eventually replace disks. Well, except for UMDs, but that's because UMDs are awesome.
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Originally posted by Rasenganfan2
The DS cartridge can hold 1gig of data. That's more than a CD can hold!


CD's haven't been in used by the gaming industry for years. Your point is moot.

Besides, a Blu-Ray can hold 50 Gigs of data, as much as 50 DS cartridges.

Disc is here to stay, it's far superior.
Originally posted by Rasenganfan2
The DS cartridge can hold 1gig of data. That's more than a CD can hold!


CD's haven't been in used by the gaming industry for years. Your point is moot.

Besides, a Blu-Ray can hold 50 Gigs of data, as much as 50 DS cartridges.

Disc is here to stay, it's far superior.
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DM is right, there's no way you're gonna top of 50 GB which is what Blu-Ray can hold.

I can't believe this is even an argument, Discs are way better because they hold far more and cost far less.

gtwalq summed it up quite well.
DM is right, there's no way you're gonna top of 50 GB which is what Blu-Ray can hold.

I can't believe this is even an argument, Discs are way better because they hold far more and cost far less.

gtwalq summed it up quite well.
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I don't like CDs, sure they hold a lot but they are very fragile, one little scratch and the whole disc doesn't work.
I don't like CDs, sure they hold a lot but they are very fragile, one little scratch and the whole disc doesn't work.
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You know, I've never had a problem with CD's, mostly because I take good care of them.

Shouldn't be you know, that hard to do.
You know, I've never had a problem with CD's, mostly because I take good care of them.

Shouldn't be you know, that hard to do.
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You drop a cartridge on to hard surface, the outside and/or something on the inside will break. You drop CD, it probably wont break. Cartridges have so many parts inside of them too so more things to come lose when you drop it.

Actually Cartridges are more fragile. You just gotta be careful how you handle CDs, I've only got a scratch on like 2 CDs in my entire life and newer discs I've noticed seem to be tougher and you can also buy stuff to put on them which prevents all scratches. Also there's CD buffers that get those scratches right out.
You drop a cartridge on to hard surface, the outside and/or something on the inside will break. You drop CD, it probably wont break. Cartridges have so many parts inside of them too so more things to come lose when you drop it.

Actually Cartridges are more fragile. You just gotta be careful how you handle CDs, I've only got a scratch on like 2 CDs in my entire life and newer discs I've noticed seem to be tougher and you can also buy stuff to put on them which prevents all scratches. Also there's CD buffers that get those scratches right out.
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Actually, theres no reason at all cartridges cant top the size of any disk.
HDMicro SDs for example are up to 32-63 GB already, and from use in a DS slot 1 flash I know they game be used for gaming, so I can see that they could make a cartridge based game that would be bigger then any BluRay game.
and unfortunatly no matter how careful you are with a disk, it will get scratched from use, simple as that.
I'm talking surface marks here, there is no way you can use a disk alot of times and not get one small surface mark.
I dont know of this scratch proofing for disks, but if its anything like the scratch proofing for glasses, it doesnt work
Actually, theres no reason at all cartridges cant top the size of any disk.
HDMicro SDs for example are up to 32-63 GB already, and from use in a DS slot 1 flash I know they game be used for gaming, so I can see that they could make a cartridge based game that would be bigger then any BluRay game.
and unfortunatly no matter how careful you are with a disk, it will get scratched from use, simple as that.
I'm talking surface marks here, there is no way you can use a disk alot of times and not get one small surface mark.
I dont know of this scratch proofing for disks, but if its anything like the scratch proofing for glasses, it doesnt work
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Geeze Dark Hyren, you have any idea how expensive games would be than? A 16GB MicroSD is $50. I just don't think it'd be worth using cartridges if it jacked up the price of games to $100+. 32 GB SDHC Cards are $100. I've never heard of a 64 GB but I'd assume it'd cost $200.

Discs are always gonna be cheaper to develop. Unless you use your discs as frisbees or unless you have Parkinsons, there's no reason why you'd be getting scratches that'd make the games unplayable.
Geeze Dark Hyren, you have any idea how expensive games would be than? A 16GB MicroSD is $50. I just don't think it'd be worth using cartridges if it jacked up the price of games to $100+. 32 GB SDHC Cards are $100. I've never heard of a 64 GB but I'd assume it'd cost $200.

Discs are always gonna be cheaper to develop. Unless you use your discs as frisbees or unless you have Parkinsons, there's no reason why you'd be getting scratches that'd make the games unplayable.
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LOL David... that last comment was funny. I never thought about those cartraiges those are pretty good. Only issue I have is the possibility of destroying the disc with scratches... I like how mini discs have a protective plastic thing over it. Most of my scratches though come from the device I put it in, whether its a CD player, DVD player, or computer it always seems to get scratched that way.
LOL David... that last comment was funny. I never thought about those cartraiges those are pretty good. Only issue I have is the possibility of destroying the disc with scratches... I like how mini discs have a protective plastic thing over it. Most of my scratches though come from the device I put it in, whether its a CD player, DVD player, or computer it always seems to get scratched that way.
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Modern discs are less likely to scratch due to having stronger surfaces. Additionally, Modern devices are also less likely to scratch discs.

Also like to point out again that there are disc buffers that completely get rid of scratches. I used one that I bought at Walmart for $20, made a music CD I had play perfectly again (before it didn't work). As I said, I've only had 2 discs ever scratch bad enough to not play and they were a music cd and a psx game, nothing modern since modern stuff is harder to get scratches that make the game unplayable.
Modern discs are less likely to scratch due to having stronger surfaces. Additionally, Modern devices are also less likely to scratch discs.

Also like to point out again that there are disc buffers that completely get rid of scratches. I used one that I bought at Walmart for $20, made a music CD I had play perfectly again (before it didn't work). As I said, I've only had 2 discs ever scratch bad enough to not play and they were a music cd and a psx game, nothing modern since modern stuff is harder to get scratches that make the game unplayable.
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Originally posted by Davideo7
Unless you use your discs as frisbees or unless you have Parkinsons, there's no reason why you'd be getting scratches that'd make the games unplayable.
ROFL!

I think that carts will continue to rule the handheld world. I also think that one day, carts will be the normal data storage. Until that day, discs are the optimal storage device.

Also, damn! Bluray discs can hold 50gigs of info!? Holy s***, that's a load of info!
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Unless you use your discs as frisbees or unless you have Parkinsons, there's no reason why you'd be getting scratches that'd make the games unplayable.
ROFL!

I think that carts will continue to rule the handheld world. I also think that one day, carts will be the normal data storage. Until that day, discs are the optimal storage device.

Also, damn! Bluray discs can hold 50gigs of info!? Holy s***, that's a load of info!
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Well if cartridges ever replace discs (which replaced them), it'd be many years from now when the technology is dirt cheap and we're talking like $2 per a 64 GB SD memory card but they're currently at $200 so they've got a looong way to go.

Sure, you guys may prefer cartridges but you gotta think realistically.
Well if cartridges ever replace discs (which replaced them), it'd be many years from now when the technology is dirt cheap and we're talking like $2 per a 64 GB SD memory card but they're currently at $200 so they've got a looong way to go.

Sure, you guys may prefer cartridges but you gotta think realistically.
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Ive got a feeling disc's are here to stay. If a game requires more than 50gb (wow), then there will be two discs per game.

I agree with David, memory cards at the moment are far too expensive to even think about producing them as games. There may be a light at the end of the tunnel but the tunnel is extremely long.
Ive got a feeling disc's are here to stay. If a game requires more than 50gb (wow), then there will be two discs per game.

I agree with David, memory cards at the moment are far too expensive to even think about producing them as games. There may be a light at the end of the tunnel but the tunnel is extremely long.
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Agreed. I still think that, in the end, carts will be the winner. I mean, how much more advanced can games get? Everything looks close to real as is. Next gen'll look real. I think that there will be a limit to how much memory is needed to carry games, therefore carts will be there.

Also, the theoretical limit to Blu-Ray discs are 200gigs, but the highest Blu-Ray disc is 100gigs. Beats the heck out of HD DVD's 60gig theo limit and the 45gig highest. Alas, we're not here to talk about the difference of HD DVD's & Blu-Ray discs...or are we? *SFX: DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN DUN!*
Agreed. I still think that, in the end, carts will be the winner. I mean, how much more advanced can games get? Everything looks close to real as is. Next gen'll look real. I think that there will be a limit to how much memory is needed to carry games, therefore carts will be there.

Also, the theoretical limit to Blu-Ray discs are 200gigs, but the highest Blu-Ray disc is 100gigs. Beats the heck out of HD DVD's 60gig theo limit and the 45gig highest. Alas, we're not here to talk about the difference of HD DVD's & Blu-Ray discs...or are we? *SFX: DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN DUN!*
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Why dont they put CD's in the cartridges.. like PSP does.. o/ WIN!
Why dont they put CD's in the cartridges.. like PSP does.. o/ WIN!
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Well we wernt talking about the cost effectiveness anyways, just which we prefered
I mean yes, granted for now the high end SDs are a tad expensive.
I like the idea of standardising all games to like the PSP disks, you got win right there so long as they can fix the issue with the cases cracking with use.
I'd like to be able to get any game, be it pre-owned or new and not have to worry about marks someone else put on the disk.

Electronics Boutique here in Aust. are infamous for putting marks on "new" games.
I'm fussy about marks on a disk thats supposed to be new and have annoyed more then one sales person by making them swap the disk over.
Well we wernt talking about the cost effectiveness anyways, just which we prefered
I mean yes, granted for now the high end SDs are a tad expensive.
I like the idea of standardising all games to like the PSP disks, you got win right there so long as they can fix the issue with the cases cracking with use.
I'd like to be able to get any game, be it pre-owned or new and not have to worry about marks someone else put on the disk.

Electronics Boutique here in Aust. are infamous for putting marks on "new" games.
I'm fussy about marks on a disk thats supposed to be new and have annoyed more then one sales person by making them swap the disk over.
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Yeah, I hate "New" games too. I've had many cases of that from various places though. The only place I haven't had that issue from is Wal-mart and Gamestop.
Yeah, I hate "New" games too. I've had many cases of that from various places though. The only place I haven't had that issue from is Wal-mart and Gamestop.
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Well Sony is taking a new route with PSP which will eliminate buying physical games all together, instead you'll just download games you buy and not own actual copies of anything you own.
Well Sony is taking a new route with PSP which will eliminate buying physical games all together, instead you'll just download games you buy and not own actual copies of anything you own.
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