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Do you think America is about to start world war 3
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Here is a summary of where the world stands: -
- Unable to reach a compromise over the weekend, South Africa is now in an all out labor strike, with the police again firing rubber bullets at miners with lethal escalation guaranteed
- Back from vacation, the once again penniless citizens of Spain, Greece, and Portugal have resumed protesting austerity
- US embassies attacked, in many cases with num
erous casualties, in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Sudan, Lebanon, India, Balgadesh, Indonesia, and others.
- Japan “appropriating” China-contested islands provoking a firestorm of retaliation including demands for “war with Japan”
- The Japanese ambassador to China dying mysteriously
- Netanyahu telling Meet the Press Iran will have a nuke in six-seven months and must be stopped beforehand
- Warships from more than 25 countries, including the United States, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, launching a military exercise in the Straits of Hormuz
- A third US aircraft – the CVN-74 Stennis – carrier is en route to Iran with an ETA of about 10 days
- And finally, a potential catalyst to light this whole mess on fire, Iran’s Revolutionary Guard announcing that its troops are now on the ground in Syria.
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China and Russia, have already made it quite clear that any intervention by the US in regions they themselves consider strategic, such as the Senkaku Islands, Syria and/or Iran, will result in retaliation.
And retaliation by one or more rising superpowers to another fading superpower, will inevitably lead to yet another World War.
Needless to say, nobody could possibly foresee war as the outcome to the global depression
credit too - infowars .com

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For me personally it scares the heck out of me I truly think that some bad stuff is about to happen and it effect everyone we all live in this world together and it is driven by petroleum, I'm a mineral resources On-site Geologist this is my job monitoring how much fossil fuel we have left.
if you look at it like this the earth as a hole has ten apples left in different areas of the world their are no more and can never be anymore how much do you think someone is willing to pay for them apples?  
Spoiler:
 I tell you this it is a lot more then money.
Here is a summary of where the world stands: -
- Unable to reach a compromise over the weekend, South Africa is now in an all out labor strike, with the police again firing rubber bullets at miners with lethal escalation guaranteed
- Back from vacation, the once again penniless citizens of Spain, Greece, and Portugal have resumed protesting austerity
- US embassies attacked, in many cases with num
erous casualties, in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco, Sudan, Lebanon, India, Balgadesh, Indonesia, and others.
- Japan “appropriating” China-contested islands provoking a firestorm of retaliation including demands for “war with Japan”
- The Japanese ambassador to China dying mysteriously
- Netanyahu telling Meet the Press Iran will have a nuke in six-seven months and must be stopped beforehand
- Warships from more than 25 countries, including the United States, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia and the UAE, launching a military exercise in the Straits of Hormuz
- A third US aircraft – the CVN-74 Stennis – carrier is en route to Iran with an ETA of about 10 days
- And finally, a potential catalyst to light this whole mess on fire, Iran’s Revolutionary Guard announcing that its troops are now on the ground in Syria.
****
China and Russia, have already made it quite clear that any intervention by the US in regions they themselves consider strategic, such as the Senkaku Islands, Syria and/or Iran, will result in retaliation.
And retaliation by one or more rising superpowers to another fading superpower, will inevitably lead to yet another World War.
Needless to say, nobody could possibly foresee war as the outcome to the global depression
credit too - infowars .com

**********************************************************************************************

For me personally it scares the heck out of me I truly think that some bad stuff is about to happen and it effect everyone we all live in this world together and it is driven by petroleum, I'm a mineral resources On-site Geologist this is my job monitoring how much fossil fuel we have left.
if you look at it like this the earth as a hole has ten apples left in different areas of the world their are no more and can never be anymore how much do you think someone is willing to pay for them apples?  
Spoiler:
 I tell you this it is a lot more then money.
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there are some things that need to be put in context here.
1.South africa
There is no country interested in invading s.africa, its one of the most stable african countrys, upseting that balance could have massive consequences across the entire continent. This is a matter of UNION versus state and hopefully this will result in changes of the law. They have already backed down many times due to international protest, it wont go as far as war.
2.Spain and portugal arent peniless, you shouldnt believe everything you hear in the news, spain havent even taken a european bailout.
Greece is the worst off, that isnt a matter of war. Itsa 2 way battle.
P1.They stay in the e.u, keep the euro, and pay there debts or
P2.they refuse to pay. Are forced to change currency, and hope somepeople will trade with them.
The majority want to keep the euro so they have little room to manouver.

3.terorism. This isnt state orchastrated. You cant invade a nation because they are unable to contain the extremists.
And many of the deaths were due to things like smoke inhalation.
4.its not just china claiming them but they are the main contestors. Its highly ironic because china claims many islands very close to indonesia,thailand, vietnam etc, but japan owns ones close to china and they whine like little babys. China is an agresive dictatorship so thats always a danger but despite people urging war it almosty certainly wont happen.
China is the source of the wests cheap labour, japan is the source of much tech. Those 2 economys are so tied war would cripple them.
Both are vital to the west so a war likely wouldnt be tolerated.
The us has multiple bases in japan too so that would complicate things.
Equaly countrys like thailand, vietnam and indonesia who have been bulied repeatedly by china would likely jump on the bandwagon while china was weakened and attack.
And china is heavily in debt. Its sudden economic growth has been funded by loans. Which it cant access if it then goes to war.
Its unlikely to happen.
And japan bought them because the tokyo governor was trying to, and planned to develop them, the national government bought them to avoid provocation.
5.thats a new one to me.
6.yeh, thats the one to worry about. They are essentialy religious extremists in control of a nation.
There are 2 reasons we havent yet attacked.
1.we dont know if they have weaponised it, and dont want to risk it.(much like hitler, the longer we wait, the harder it gets).
2.the war in iraq. We claimed there were nukes. We found none. If that happens again, then it will make it seem we are just invading countrys that dont play ball with the west, adding to extremism.
Israel and iran are in a dangerous faceoff.

6/7 yeh, thats unsurprising given iran threatining to block oil, but neither will attack for that i think.
8. Iran want to show off there strength and defiance to the west. Whats new there. It will at least alieanate them to many arab neighbours.
8. Russia also claimed theyd retaliate with misile strikes if the usa built a missile shield in europe, but they didnt, so...
Yh, most of that wont cause a massive war
there are some things that need to be put in context here.
1.South africa
There is no country interested in invading s.africa, its one of the most stable african countrys, upseting that balance could have massive consequences across the entire continent. This is a matter of UNION versus state and hopefully this will result in changes of the law. They have already backed down many times due to international protest, it wont go as far as war.
2.Spain and portugal arent peniless, you shouldnt believe everything you hear in the news, spain havent even taken a european bailout.
Greece is the worst off, that isnt a matter of war. Itsa 2 way battle.
P1.They stay in the e.u, keep the euro, and pay there debts or
P2.they refuse to pay. Are forced to change currency, and hope somepeople will trade with them.
The majority want to keep the euro so they have little room to manouver.

3.terorism. This isnt state orchastrated. You cant invade a nation because they are unable to contain the extremists.
And many of the deaths were due to things like smoke inhalation.
4.its not just china claiming them but they are the main contestors. Its highly ironic because china claims many islands very close to indonesia,thailand, vietnam etc, but japan owns ones close to china and they whine like little babys. China is an agresive dictatorship so thats always a danger but despite people urging war it almosty certainly wont happen.
China is the source of the wests cheap labour, japan is the source of much tech. Those 2 economys are so tied war would cripple them.
Both are vital to the west so a war likely wouldnt be tolerated.
The us has multiple bases in japan too so that would complicate things.
Equaly countrys like thailand, vietnam and indonesia who have been bulied repeatedly by china would likely jump on the bandwagon while china was weakened and attack.
And china is heavily in debt. Its sudden economic growth has been funded by loans. Which it cant access if it then goes to war.
Its unlikely to happen.
And japan bought them because the tokyo governor was trying to, and planned to develop them, the national government bought them to avoid provocation.
5.thats a new one to me.
6.yeh, thats the one to worry about. They are essentialy religious extremists in control of a nation.
There are 2 reasons we havent yet attacked.
1.we dont know if they have weaponised it, and dont want to risk it.(much like hitler, the longer we wait, the harder it gets).
2.the war in iraq. We claimed there were nukes. We found none. If that happens again, then it will make it seem we are just invading countrys that dont play ball with the west, adding to extremism.
Israel and iran are in a dangerous faceoff.

6/7 yeh, thats unsurprising given iran threatining to block oil, but neither will attack for that i think.
8. Iran want to show off there strength and defiance to the west. Whats new there. It will at least alieanate them to many arab neighbours.
8. Russia also claimed theyd retaliate with misile strikes if the usa built a missile shield in europe, but they didnt, so...
Yh, most of that wont cause a massive war
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Only chance WW3 starts is if the United States goes to war with China or China goes to war with the United States. That said I doubt that as well, since China will never attack the United States since they make millions of dollars exporting their goods into the United States and going to war would cause their economy to suffer. Plus the United States economy would also suffer if they go to war with China since China would issue an embargo on all American goods and refuse to ship their goods to the United States. If that happens then the United States would see massive inflation on goods not made in China (simply supply and demand). So you can sleep soundly that WW3 won't happen anytime soon.
Only chance WW3 starts is if the United States goes to war with China or China goes to war with the United States. That said I doubt that as well, since China will never attack the United States since they make millions of dollars exporting their goods into the United States and going to war would cause their economy to suffer. Plus the United States economy would also suffer if they go to war with China since China would issue an embargo on all American goods and refuse to ship their goods to the United States. If that happens then the United States would see massive inflation on goods not made in China (simply supply and demand). So you can sleep soundly that WW3 won't happen anytime soon.
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Funny, the vacation joke with the Spanish and Greeks.

The countries that could afford a war large enough to be called World War 3 are too closely related in economic ties.  China, the U.S., and Russia are making too much with trade to jeopardize their relationships with active military involvement.  There may be limited fighting, like there are in twenty different places around the world right now but I don't foresee a large-scale military campaign with the power players that can afford it in the near future.

Things are tense but money is stronger than bullets or missiles.  Trade will continue and countries will spend money with each other.  India and China may fight each other one day but I expect the U.S. and other countries will barely be involved.  Our trade isn't affected and would go up from that.

Anyway, if the U.S. fought either Russia or China, we'd lose.  We're not strong enough nor do we have the correct government or population to win a war of that magnitude.  Those two countries are completely different cultures that could stay involved long enough to win a war against the U.S.  We all know this so we'll just keep up the trade.  Make that money!
Funny, the vacation joke with the Spanish and Greeks.

The countries that could afford a war large enough to be called World War 3 are too closely related in economic ties.  China, the U.S., and Russia are making too much with trade to jeopardize their relationships with active military involvement.  There may be limited fighting, like there are in twenty different places around the world right now but I don't foresee a large-scale military campaign with the power players that can afford it in the near future.

Things are tense but money is stronger than bullets or missiles.  Trade will continue and countries will spend money with each other.  India and China may fight each other one day but I expect the U.S. and other countries will barely be involved.  Our trade isn't affected and would go up from that.

Anyway, if the U.S. fought either Russia or China, we'd lose.  We're not strong enough nor do we have the correct government or population to win a war of that magnitude.  Those two countries are completely different cultures that could stay involved long enough to win a war against the U.S.  We all know this so we'll just keep up the trade.  Make that money!
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warmaker : the uk alone is richer than russia, i dont think the us would lose that one. They are far weaker now. There are more armies even in the eu than russia. If they cant flog there oil theyre done for
warmaker : the uk alone is richer than russia, i dont think the us would lose that one. They are far weaker now. There are more armies even in the eu than russia. If they cant flog there oil theyre done for
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thenumberone: the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Holds the 5th strongest army america is 4th now this is all talking numbers obviously china is number one they have double the army we have and enough people that if they all die they can replace them in a blink of an eye.

If China And Russia where to act together and go after a country that we are allies with they will want help and you know what we will do ......NOTHING because they have nukes just like we do. if we aid a country that is being attacked by either one of tho's two like in 2008 Russian federation crossed the boarders of Georgia and started rapping and killing their Local nationals after about 2 months and the with draw of the Georgians from Iraq redeployed on the front lines in their own country. america stood by and did nothing they even mocked america on the news and said as we were killing them they ran away they must have learned that from the Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_Armed_Forces

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thenumberone: the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Holds the 5th strongest army america is 4th now this is all talking numbers obviously china is number one they have double the army we have and enough people that if they all die they can replace them in a blink of an eye.

If China And Russia where to act together and go after a country that we are allies with they will want help and you know what we will do ......NOTHING because they have nukes just like we do. if we aid a country that is being attacked by either one of tho's two like in 2008 Russian federation crossed the boarders of Georgia and started rapping and killing their Local nationals after about 2 months and the with draw of the Georgians from Iraq redeployed on the front lines in their own country. america stood by and did nothing they even mocked america on the news and said as we were killing them they ran away they must have learned that from the Americans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgian_Armed_Forces

I
 know this because i was in Iraq at that time serving with them.
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nextbestthing88 :
Youre talking in terms of civilian personel, you need to factor in tanks, missiles, chopers, battleships, destroyers, aircraft carriers,bombers, fighters etc etc.
As it stands america still dominates there.
China can reman, yes, but they cant regain the lost troops experience, and in a combat scenario they wouldnt have long to train them before they needed deployed. China is hard to say, in terms of offensive, the us couldnt win on its own, the alignment of japan and india would be vital, and in terms of bringing more firepower to the table the us would gain much better prospects by getting the eu on its side, since it has the next strongest military after the usa. But the eu only has a protection mandate, whereby any members must defend each other if attacked, so unless china did attack a member then each state would need to agree.
Equaly india is significant, its in the commonwealth of nations, every member is obligated to help any that are attacked in that, so canada, the uk, australia, south africa, basically any former british colony.
This only reinforces the unlikelyhood of hostilitys comencing.
The eu and commonwealth account for about 50% of the world population and theyre tied in many ways.
Russia exports most of its gas to europe, and is weaker than europe, so war from them = unlikely.
The uk alone has more money than russia, more ships, and i think, more aircraft.
And china and russia dont even agree on there border, its unlikely they'll team up.
Georgia was a tactical move by russia.
It feels (maybe rightly) the us is fencing it in, europe is blocked by the eu and nato, and georgia was trying to join nato, so russia invaded under a guise of aiding freedom fighters etc, basicaly to the us to say, we wont be 'contained'.
But georgia was tiny, it cant invade big countrys anymore, unless theyre like, uzbekistan.
nextbestthing88 :
Youre talking in terms of civilian personel, you need to factor in tanks, missiles, chopers, battleships, destroyers, aircraft carriers,bombers, fighters etc etc.
As it stands america still dominates there.
China can reman, yes, but they cant regain the lost troops experience, and in a combat scenario they wouldnt have long to train them before they needed deployed. China is hard to say, in terms of offensive, the us couldnt win on its own, the alignment of japan and india would be vital, and in terms of bringing more firepower to the table the us would gain much better prospects by getting the eu on its side, since it has the next strongest military after the usa. But the eu only has a protection mandate, whereby any members must defend each other if attacked, so unless china did attack a member then each state would need to agree.
Equaly india is significant, its in the commonwealth of nations, every member is obligated to help any that are attacked in that, so canada, the uk, australia, south africa, basically any former british colony.
This only reinforces the unlikelyhood of hostilitys comencing.
The eu and commonwealth account for about 50% of the world population and theyre tied in many ways.
Russia exports most of its gas to europe, and is weaker than europe, so war from them = unlikely.
The uk alone has more money than russia, more ships, and i think, more aircraft.
And china and russia dont even agree on there border, its unlikely they'll team up.
Georgia was a tactical move by russia.
It feels (maybe rightly) the us is fencing it in, europe is blocked by the eu and nato, and georgia was trying to join nato, so russia invaded under a guise of aiding freedom fighters etc, basicaly to the us to say, we wont be 'contained'.
But georgia was tiny, it cant invade big countrys anymore, unless theyre like, uzbekistan.
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thenumberone : The CIA world factbook shows Russia's GDP at $2.223 trillion as of May, 2012 and the United Kingdom at $2.173 trillion.  UK wins the per capita argument but the larger economy is Russia's.

Russia also has 1.52 million armed forces personnel while the U.K. has 212,000.

I don't know about pure numbers of equipment but the Russians have a lot of gear lying around from the Cold War.

And while you discuss equipment, you have to talk government, culture, and the people.  People protest the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan over a few thousand soldiers getting killed in ones, twos, and maybe a dozen for a helicopter crash.  Imagine a company or regiment getting wiped out.  Imagine a task force losing a few destroyers, submarines or an air craft carrier.  Popular opinion would force peace nowadays in the U.S.  Americans don't have the stomach for a long-term, drawn out, total war scenario.  The Chinese government says, "We're fighting, end of story."  The American government faces repercussions in the form of recalls and lost elections.  Our culture is different from other cultures.

And let's throw North Korea in the mix while we're talking China and Russia.

Lastly, Stalin said "In war, quantity is a quality all it's own."  You can have the most experienced gun teams in the world.  If they're outnumbered 22 to 1 and their air support simply can't kill everyone, they lose.  I'd pit the U.S. Army against 2 million Chinese civilians in an open battlefield and I know who I pick.


thenumberone : The CIA world factbook shows Russia's GDP at $2.223 trillion as of May, 2012 and the United Kingdom at $2.173 trillion.  UK wins the per capita argument but the larger economy is Russia's.

Russia also has 1.52 million armed forces personnel while the U.K. has 212,000.

I don't know about pure numbers of equipment but the Russians have a lot of gear lying around from the Cold War.

And while you discuss equipment, you have to talk government, culture, and the people.  People protest the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan over a few thousand soldiers getting killed in ones, twos, and maybe a dozen for a helicopter crash.  Imagine a company or regiment getting wiped out.  Imagine a task force losing a few destroyers, submarines or an air craft carrier.  Popular opinion would force peace nowadays in the U.S.  Americans don't have the stomach for a long-term, drawn out, total war scenario.  The Chinese government says, "We're fighting, end of story."  The American government faces repercussions in the form of recalls and lost elections.  Our culture is different from other cultures.

And let's throw North Korea in the mix while we're talking China and Russia.

Lastly, Stalin said "In war, quantity is a quality all it's own."  You can have the most experienced gun teams in the world.  If they're outnumbered 22 to 1 and their air support simply can't kill everyone, they lose.  I'd pit the U.S. Army against 2 million Chinese civilians in an open battlefield and I know who I pick.

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warmaker : yeh i know about the soldiers, as for the money, thats new, we used to outright have more.
Either way, thats reliant on oil sales.
They have plenty old gear, but not much groundbreaking. I cant say on the ground but in the air and on the sea the uk alone is more powerfull.
Exactly, i actualy meant to add that in when i was talking about druming up support. Europe has gone through 2 world wars and many feel dragged into the current ones. I think support would be low. China/ russia would need to hit close to home to provoke it id imagine.
A good example you could use of your last point is in korea, the scottish,australian and canadians pushed the chinese out of the hills, they camped there and most notably an english regiment left in charge of one of the hills had to retreat after they ran out of bullets.
There are a few points to consider now.
1. Would chinese troops tolerate such suicidal tactics now?
2. Would a proper supply train stop this occuring. America can produce a lot of munitions.
3. Would modern tech level the odds? Artilery, tanks, bombers, mines, heavy machine gun fortifications?
Obviously this is all hypothetical since war is unlikely but at any rate.
I think with china a strong defensive strategy, isolating them by sea and land could hold the key. I would avoid meeting them on the open battlefield. The hills between india and china, n.korea and south etc would be the ideal ground.
A war of atrition.
They can only go so long like that before the people get angry.
I am optimistic that as chinese people become wealthier they will push for reform. Hong kong with its british past is vehemently oposed to chines policys.
warmaker : yeh i know about the soldiers, as for the money, thats new, we used to outright have more.
Either way, thats reliant on oil sales.
They have plenty old gear, but not much groundbreaking. I cant say on the ground but in the air and on the sea the uk alone is more powerfull.
Exactly, i actualy meant to add that in when i was talking about druming up support. Europe has gone through 2 world wars and many feel dragged into the current ones. I think support would be low. China/ russia would need to hit close to home to provoke it id imagine.
A good example you could use of your last point is in korea, the scottish,australian and canadians pushed the chinese out of the hills, they camped there and most notably an english regiment left in charge of one of the hills had to retreat after they ran out of bullets.
There are a few points to consider now.
1. Would chinese troops tolerate such suicidal tactics now?
2. Would a proper supply train stop this occuring. America can produce a lot of munitions.
3. Would modern tech level the odds? Artilery, tanks, bombers, mines, heavy machine gun fortifications?
Obviously this is all hypothetical since war is unlikely but at any rate.
I think with china a strong defensive strategy, isolating them by sea and land could hold the key. I would avoid meeting them on the open battlefield. The hills between india and china, n.korea and south etc would be the ideal ground.
A war of atrition.
They can only go so long like that before the people get angry.
I am optimistic that as chinese people become wealthier they will push for reform. Hong kong with its british past is vehemently oposed to chines policys.
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if you don't think china has technological advances that are far superior to our owns look at the Iphone in your pocket.
and Russia was the country Teaching the Iraqi brother hood 
(the “Freedom Fighters”) how to create new IED's , EFP's Slingshot IED's they were getting munitions from Russia.
 Follow link
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/07/2381282-2381282.html
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On July 19, after Russia and China vetoed sanctions against the al-Assad regime, the White House called their decision “deplorable and regrettable.” read below IF YOU CLICK ANY CLICK THIS ONE BELOW  **VVVV**
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/04/chinas-navy/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/06/17/russia-and-china-team-up-against-nato-libya-campaign/

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CRS:_AFGHANISTAN:_CONNECTIONS_TO_ISLAMIC_MOVEMENTS_IN_CENTRAL_AND_SOUTH_ASIA_AND_SOUTHERN_RUSSIA,_December_7,_1999

http://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-teaming-up-with-china-on-the-global-stage/

 China warns of 'further actions' in Japan island dispute
http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/china-warns-of-further-actions-in-japan-island-dispute

and to end my little rant of information on how Russia and china are teaming up against US and alies 
 the Soviets were aware of the existence of Uranium reserves in Afghanistan – in Gen. A. Lyakhovsky’s account presented in his Tragedy and Honor in Afghanistan, the threat that the Uranium would be grabbed by Pakistan and Iran to build nuclear weapons was cited as an argument in favor of the future Soviet invasion at a pivotal December 8, 1979 meeting personally chaired by L.I. Brezhnev. The map that the US just came out with was a map made by the soviets all them years ago, that's a pretty good reason to go to war saying their are Afghanistan has list of reserves included copper, gold, cobalt, and even lithium ,uranium, cobalt, jade, emerald estimating to be like idk 80 thousand tons of resources to think we are over here by our self's and two country's that are together wont say don't sail or fly over here or we will Kill you . They will see if America will bluff or not the hand has been dealt.


if you don't think china has technological advances that are far superior to our owns look at the Iphone in your pocket.
and Russia was the country Teaching the Iraqi brother hood 
(the “Freedom Fighters”) how to create new IED's , EFP's Slingshot IED's they were getting munitions from Russia.
 Follow link
http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/07/2381282-2381282.html
********************************************************

On July 19, after Russia and China vetoed sanctions against the al-Assad regime, the White House called their decision “deplorable and regrettable.” read below IF YOU CLICK ANY CLICK THIS ONE BELOW  **VVVV**
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/04/chinas-navy/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/06/17/russia-and-china-team-up-against-nato-libya-campaign/

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/CRS:_AFGHANISTAN:_CONNECTIONS_TO_ISLAMIC_MOVEMENTS_IN_CENTRAL_AND_SOUTH_ASIA_AND_SOUTHERN_RUSSIA,_December_7,_1999

http://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-teaming-up-with-china-on-the-global-stage/

 China warns of 'further actions' in Japan island dispute
http://www.japantoday.com/category/politics/view/china-warns-of-further-actions-in-japan-island-dispute

and to end my little rant of information on how Russia and china are teaming up against US and alies 
 the Soviets were aware of the existence of Uranium reserves in Afghanistan – in Gen. A. Lyakhovsky’s account presented in his Tragedy and Honor in Afghanistan, the threat that the Uranium would be grabbed by Pakistan and Iran to build nuclear weapons was cited as an argument in favor of the future Soviet invasion at a pivotal December 8, 1979 meeting personally chaired by L.I. Brezhnev. The map that the US just came out with was a map made by the soviets all them years ago, that's a pretty good reason to go to war saying their are Afghanistan has list of reserves included copper, gold, cobalt, and even lithium ,uranium, cobalt, jade, emerald estimating to be like idk 80 thousand tons of resources to think we are over here by our self's and two country's that are together wont say don't sail or fly over here or we will Kill you . They will see if America will bluff or not the hand has been dealt.


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Nah I don't think they going to war yet unless one of the country did something that piss the other country then I would say goodbye to the world.
Nah I don't think they going to war yet unless one of the country did something that piss the other country then I would say goodbye to the world.
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How bout the muslims killing Americans and their embassy and Russia and china saying don't do anything.
How bout the muslims killing Americans and their embassy and Russia and china saying don't do anything.
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nextbestthing:
China is used as cheap labour to make small parts, that dosent constitute advanced. And ied's arent advanced, the russians training them is not relevant to there own strength.
That was for a training excercise. As for vetoing, china has trade interests, and russia rents a port from them. If they denounce the government theyl lose it. If the rebels win, theyl lose it.
Yeh china warned further action but i doubt it will involve military. They are dependent on each other.
Your last paragraph is confusing, you seem to be talking about afghanistan either pre soviet or pre nato invasion then it gets awkward to see what youre saying.
Leaving out my views, arabs have seen the west attack a lot of arab nations etc, its easy for them to assume its imperialism. Maybe to an extent it is. Im not really placed to state that.
But if war with iran happened i cant say how it would go.
Are you suggesting china and russia will attack if the us invades iran or something?
I doubt theyd attack, russia already promised theyd attack europe if a missile shield was built. Im still awaiting that attack.
As for the embassy thing again, that was not state sponsored.what can be done?bomb them?
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China is used as cheap labour to make small parts, that dosent constitute advanced. And ied's arent advanced, the russians training them is not relevant to there own strength.
That was for a training excercise. As for vetoing, china has trade interests, and russia rents a port from them. If they denounce the government theyl lose it. If the rebels win, theyl lose it.
Yeh china warned further action but i doubt it will involve military. They are dependent on each other.
Your last paragraph is confusing, you seem to be talking about afghanistan either pre soviet or pre nato invasion then it gets awkward to see what youre saying.
Leaving out my views, arabs have seen the west attack a lot of arab nations etc, its easy for them to assume its imperialism. Maybe to an extent it is. Im not really placed to state that.
But if war with iran happened i cant say how it would go.
Are you suggesting china and russia will attack if the us invades iran or something?
I doubt theyd attack, russia already promised theyd attack europe if a missile shield was built. Im still awaiting that attack.
As for the embassy thing again, that was not state sponsored.what can be done?bomb them?
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I really doubt that we'll get into another World War. Honestly, I see another Civil War occurring sooner than a World War. And really, it's not a big deal for a few people to get attacked; it happens all the time. Also, as it currently stands - it would be too costly for any of the large countries to go to war.
I really doubt that we'll get into another World War. Honestly, I see another Civil War occurring sooner than a World War. And really, it's not a big deal for a few people to get attacked; it happens all the time. Also, as it currently stands - it would be too costly for any of the large countries to go to war.
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