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Why are cigarettes/tobacco legal?
04-16-12 09:41 PM
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I see these people in commercials that cause them to look like this. You probably know what I am talking about. They play these anti smoking commercials. Why don't they make this illegal if this happens to these people? |
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Well, disregarding second hand smoke, this is a product that effects only the person smoking. The second hand smoking issue is being responded to with smoking bans inside or within 50 feet of buildings. Things like marijuana and the more hardcore drugs are narcotics that also have drastic effects on the brain upon usage, causing the user to be a potential danger to those around them. Smoking does not have these effects on the brain. That is one of the big reasons. But in reality, it is because cigarettes are something that have been around for far too long to just make illegal. It is an industry that has been a part of society and has even had a part in building this country years ago. Legally, there is just no way that anyone could get away with making cigarettes illegal now with how long they have been around. -------------------- Layouts by Pacman |
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I don't know to much why but I think it has something to do with it being a cash crop like a long time ago. You bring up an interesting point that's like beer is legal but there is accidents that happen while driving, which it is illegal to drink and drive so people must pay the consequences. I don't know to much why but I think it has something to do with it being a cash crop like a long time ago. You bring up an interesting point that's like beer is legal but there is accidents that happen while driving, which it is illegal to drink and drive so people must pay the consequences. coded by pi0x |
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04-17-12 04:52 PM
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They tried doing something like that before: (in US) 18th Amendment: Prohibition 1919 - 1933 (made alcohol illegal, btw)... That should answer your question lol. You know- with the gangsters and the increase of criminal activity, etc etc. Plus- with what jlh was kinda alluding to, Tobacco is a very profitable crop because of the addiction part of it (people have to keep buying); so it's kinda like how they do with oil- we can easily switch to more environmentally friendly alternatives but the oil (gas) companies will no longer make tons and tons of $$$. Plus- with what jlh was kinda alluding to, Tobacco is a very profitable crop because of the addiction part of it (people have to keep buying); so it's kinda like how they do with oil- we can easily switch to more environmentally friendly alternatives but the oil (gas) companies will no longer make tons and tons of $$$.  |
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04-17-12 06:28 PM
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Rcarter got it in 1 really.
Imagine if a quarter of the us was addicted to heroine. Now imagine you ban it. Uproar. Because tobacco has been used for so long, and for a time attributed medical properties, society has become hooked and its hooked into culture. If you banned it, sure, some would be happy, even some smokers since that'd help them quit. But then the nicotine withdrawl would hit them, and thats when the food recyc hits the fan. Plus, the tobacco companys are like kingpins, especialy in the us, they control half the congress. In the uk, 1 politician recently said the government aimed at eventualy banning tobacco, that split the country really. I hope it is banned though, its grimy, polutant, adictive, pulls in kids, kills 2nd hand, smokers just dump them on the ground (pigs), and it costs the national health service a fortune. Progress is being made. First all places had to have seperate smoking areas e.g resteraunts and pubs, then smoking in public places was banned, then ciggarete vending machines were outlawed, then all ciggarete packets had to carry written warnings like ciggarets increase chances of cancer contraction by 40%, then they had to put gross pictures of destroyed bodys from smoking on the ciggarete packets(that really infuriated the tobacco companys) then smoking within distance of passers by was made exeptionaly difficult, now theyre banning ciggaretes being in view ( they need to be kept out of sight). Next theyre planning to ban designs, they'll all be plain. 
thats 1 of many pictures on the boxes, more here. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/6968580.stm Imagine if a quarter of the us was addicted to heroine. Now imagine you ban it. Uproar. Because tobacco has been used for so long, and for a time attributed medical properties, society has become hooked and its hooked into culture. If you banned it, sure, some would be happy, even some smokers since that'd help them quit. But then the nicotine withdrawl would hit them, and thats when the food recyc hits the fan. Plus, the tobacco companys are like kingpins, especialy in the us, they control half the congress. In the uk, 1 politician recently said the government aimed at eventualy banning tobacco, that split the country really. I hope it is banned though, its grimy, polutant, adictive, pulls in kids, kills 2nd hand, smokers just dump them on the ground (pigs), and it costs the national health service a fortune. Progress is being made. First all places had to have seperate smoking areas e.g resteraunts and pubs, then smoking in public places was banned, then ciggarete vending machines were outlawed, then all ciggarete packets had to carry written warnings like ciggarets increase chances of cancer contraction by 40%, then they had to put gross pictures of destroyed bodys from smoking on the ciggarete packets(that really infuriated the tobacco companys) then smoking within distance of passers by was made exeptionaly difficult, now theyre banning ciggaretes being in view ( they need to be kept out of sight). Next theyre planning to ban designs, they'll all be plain.
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thenumberone: ugh I hate hate haattte it when smokers just throw cigarette butts on the ground (or just people intentionally littering) because there are A LOT of smokers at my HS and every time we go clean up the park/campus (for ecology club), 80% of what we find are cigarette butts... oh and I agree with everything else you said lol |
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In spite of the negative societal impacts that cigarette may beget, illegalizing the sale of tobacco would not produce the results that you seek. From what I understand, the belief that consumerism is tied to legality for drugs is somewhat prevalent. In reality, this addiction cannot be cured simply by choice; It is biological in nature. If the tobacco were to be declared illegal, then the addicts would search for other possible means of obtaining them; It would be hopeful at best for them to discriminate based on legality. Taxes on tobacco that the US government currently benefits from would be lost. Thus, because of the addictiveness of drugs in addition to the loss of revenue from the unregulated tobacco sales, you clearly see why we cannot simply illegalize it. Our primary concern should be on obesity, which has resulted in far more preventable deaths, rather than restricting our gaze to smoking. -------------------- |
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I honestly don't think that it will need to be banned for them to go, honestly. Yes, there are still a lot of smokers. But each generation is producing less smokers. More people are starting to find it gross, unattractive, and not worth the consequences. Also, cigarettes are getting horribly expensive. Eventually, there is going to be a line where those who aren't already smokers won't be willing to pay to buy them. Last, tobacco advertisements were banned years ago (at least here in the US). I don't think our generation will see the day that the tobacco industry crumbles, but it will happen eventually. EDIT-- besides, prohibition was attempted on alcohol years ago, and we all know how that turned out..... EDIT-- besides, prohibition was attempted on alcohol years ago, and we all know how that turned out..... -------------------- Layouts by Pacman |
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Marcmoney : its the reason the us was ruled by mobsters for about 30 years.
they used illegal things that most people wanted, like alcohol, gambling and prostitution rings to make imense amounts of money. They bribed officials and police. They also killed people who got in there way, and waged wars over entire citys to run the ilegal rackets. Kingpins of new york etc. it wasnt until the valintino day massacre that people took notice. Even after prohibition (banning alcohol) ended it took many years to remove the established mobs. Of course booze was only banned because strict christians were put in charge and decided it, along with gambling and prostitution, were tools of the devil  they used illegal things that most people wanted, like alcohol, gambling and prostitution rings to make imense amounts of money. They bribed officials and police. They also killed people who got in there way, and waged wars over entire citys to run the ilegal rackets. Kingpins of new york etc. it wasnt until the valintino day massacre that people took notice. Even after prohibition (banning alcohol) ended it took many years to remove the established mobs. Of course booze was only banned because strict christians were put in charge and decided it, along with gambling and prostitution, were tools of the devil Layout by EclipseGoA |
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rcarter2 : I agree with what you have said, but this only applies to the US.
Because less and less people are smoking in countries such as Canada and the US, and advertising is banned, and more restrictions are being put on tobacco all the time, even in Europe... the tobacco industry has to target less-developed countries where advertising - even advertising towards children - is not yet banned. In some parts of the world it is acceptable for a child as young as ten to be a chain smoker; this is now where they are able to hook the most consumers to their product. Because less and less people are smoking in countries such as Canada and the US, and advertising is banned, and more restrictions are being put on tobacco all the time, even in Europe... the tobacco industry has to target less-developed countries where advertising - even advertising towards children - is not yet banned. In some parts of the world it is acceptable for a child as young as ten to be a chain smoker; this is now where they are able to hook the most consumers to their product. |
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I smoke occasional. But I think the reason is because that is one of our major cash crops, and also this country was brought up on it, along with cotton. ____________________ coded by pi0x |
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I have no idea why tobacco and cigarettes are legal. They could honestly kill you, give you lung cancer. I should really know because my grandpa died of lung cancer. The President of the United States which is Obama at the moment, should ban all forms of tobacco. No form of tobacco should be aloud in the country at all. Yet again all of the people that are addicted to smoking already would probably sneak it anyway. I feel bad for all the sick people that die of this disease, as my grandfather did. I say we should all force everyone we know that smokes to stop it. It's just as bad as the illegal drugs. Why won't they put a stop to it? -------------------- |
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Prohibition was pretty much a movement to try to ban alcohol. This movement resulted in large amounts of mobs causing destruction in their towns. High amounts of vandalism, violence, and just a huge and scary mess. Tailyr : I know you are 11, but I'll let you know that this isn't something the President can just ban. Not even he has any real legal grounds to just close the industry down and the tobacco industry has more money than even the government could afford to fork over to attempt to do it. Besides, the President doesn't just make decisions and that means they pass. Any bill he proposes is not law until passed through Congress by a certain percentage (in this case, it would probably need a 2/3 vote). Tailyr : I know you are 11, but I'll let you know that this isn't something the President can just ban. Not even he has any real legal grounds to just close the industry down and the tobacco industry has more money than even the government could afford to fork over to attempt to do it. Besides, the President doesn't just make decisions and that means they pass. Any bill he proposes is not law until passed through Congress by a certain percentage (in this case, it would probably need a 2/3 vote). -------------------- Layouts by Pacman |
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rcarter2 : Lol, we just learned that in Government class not too long ago.  I think that someone in this world should make a bill about it and hopefully will make it a law.  I think that someone in this world should make a bill about it and hopefully will make it a law. |
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From a historical standpoint, and to elaborate on thing1's post: tobacco was one of the major cash crops of the Americas during the colonial period. The South grew two things, cotton and tobacco... this was long before they knew the bad side of smoking, mind you. The thing is, it is still a major cash crop, and as such, they don't want to get rid of it and therefore lobbyists fight like crazy to keep it legal. Tobacco companies have a LOT of lobbyists. Interesting fact, though a bit off topic. The main reason that marijuana is illegal isn't because of it's effects as a drug, but because in the early 20th century the cotton industry was so threatened by hemp that it lobbied to outlaw all forms of cannabis and launched a massive smear campaign against it by making films such as the now comical Reefer Madness. At the time, marijuana was actually a common ingredient in medication, so it hurt pharmaceuticals and it's use in medicine is just now coming back... though in a different way, obviously. Since science has made it simple to distinguish between industrial hemp and marijuana now, the government is starting to relax the laws since the cotton industry isn't nearly as powerful as it used to be (thank you, polyester).
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The simple answer is because profit is everything in this world. That's how the world spins. I don't think profit is everything, but it is how corporations see it. There's nothing wrong with the occasional smoke, so long as that smoke isn't a cigarette, but frequent smoking is just stupid. Cigars may have 10x the amount of tobacco than a cigarette has, but it's no where near as terrible. Cigars may have a few additives, but cigarettes literally have thousands.
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There are several reasons for tobacco being legal. One of them is that tobacco makes the US a lot of money. If it were to become illegal, the US couldn't tax it anymore and they'd lose money. However, if tobacco were to be made illegal, it would be really bad for my state in particular. Tobacco is Kentucky's biggest export, so the state would lose a LOT of money. That's another reason it's still legal. XxChaosxX However, if tobacco were to be made illegal, it would be really bad for my state in particular. Tobacco is Kentucky's biggest export, so the state would lose a LOT of money. That's another reason it's still legal. -------------------- The Lover of Cherry Pie! |
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Here is a wikipedia page showing various laws different countries(over 100) have against tobacco. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans The majority of these laws are in place to protect non-smokers from second hand smoke. Some of them get a bit extreme in my opinion like Zambia's law on the issue "Smoking is prohibited in public places in Zambia and is punishable by a fine of K400,000 or imprisonment of up to two years". K400,000 sounds like a lot of money but it is probably just a few USD lol, the 2 year jail term is insane though. In my opinion these laws are just about as harsh as they can get without directly affecting human rights. They protect the people who do not choose to smoke yet still give the freedom of choice to those who want to smoke. Maybe I am biased because I am a smoker but these laws seem perfectly fine and I see no need to out right prohibit tobacco. In my opinion they should allow public establishments like bars and restaurants to decide if they want to be smoke free or not, just as long as they made the general public aware of it before they entered. I think rcarter and annette have the right idea. Tobacco usage is all ready on a decline in many countries. Most of this is due to the restrictions on advertising and an increase in public awareness. The usage has only been decreasing for a relatively short period of time and it has dropped tremendously in that time. In my parents generation you could smoke literally everywhere. My aunt once told me how she would be walking through the grocery store pushing a cart with a cig in her mouth, and to put it out you just stomped on it and left it on the floor. I personally remember turning 18 and going to the closest bar and smoking indoors along with most of the other people. I think it will be interesting to see how many people smoke in the next generation. It most definitely will be even lower than now. That is the right way to get rid of tobacco -- tell people how bad it is for them and don't force advertisements down their throat. I can imagine a world where everything with the potential to harm you is illegal and taken away. A world where everything is covered in bubble wrap so to speak. That is a world in which I do not wish to live in. One other thing... Don't smoke kids! There is almost no benefit to it compared to the many negative side effects. Here is a wikipedia page showing various laws different countries(over 100) have against tobacco. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans The majority of these laws are in place to protect non-smokers from second hand smoke. Some of them get a bit extreme in my opinion like Zambia's law on the issue "Smoking is prohibited in public places in Zambia and is punishable by a fine of K400,000 or imprisonment of up to two years". K400,000 sounds like a lot of money but it is probably just a few USD lol, the 2 year jail term is insane though. In my opinion these laws are just about as harsh as they can get without directly affecting human rights. They protect the people who do not choose to smoke yet still give the freedom of choice to those who want to smoke. Maybe I am biased because I am a smoker but these laws seem perfectly fine and I see no need to out right prohibit tobacco. In my opinion they should allow public establishments like bars and restaurants to decide if they want to be smoke free or not, just as long as they made the general public aware of it before they entered. I think rcarter and annette have the right idea. Tobacco usage is all ready on a decline in many countries. Most of this is due to the restrictions on advertising and an increase in public awareness. The usage has only been decreasing for a relatively short period of time and it has dropped tremendously in that time. In my parents generation you could smoke literally everywhere. My aunt once told me how she would be walking through the grocery store pushing a cart with a cig in her mouth, and to put it out you just stomped on it and left it on the floor. I personally remember turning 18 and going to the closest bar and smoking indoors along with most of the other people. I think it will be interesting to see how many people smoke in the next generation. It most definitely will be even lower than now. That is the right way to get rid of tobacco -- tell people how bad it is for them and don't force advertisements down their throat. I can imagine a world where everything with the potential to harm you is illegal and taken away. A world where everything is covered in bubble wrap so to speak. That is a world in which I do not wish to live in. One other thing... Don't smoke kids! There is almost no benefit to it compared to the many negative side effects. -------------------- |
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