Well once again I joined into the argument late and after skimming over it seeing as how long it is and you guys are really going at it I can see what you're arguing about. Personally I don't want to play favorites for either, you both have good points. But I got to tell you legacyme3, you talk about QB's that you fear, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning. Granted Eli Manning won the Super Bowl last year but you remember that all of those QB's have gone one and out in the playoffs more than once early in their career. Joe Flacco is young, he showed up the year before and had a very good rookie season, better I think than Matt Ryan and Sanchez did their rookie years coming out of the same class. He has the pieces around him, when Flacco is hot, he's unstoppable but the coaching on that team doesn't ask much of him. They're a run-first offense and that's the way they want to play and I can respect that seeing as I'm a Vikings fan. They have a great O-line with an amazing running back in Ray Rice. They can do whatever they want, but their WR's are aging and they're kind of slow, they really don't have that burner to run the long route for Flacco to show off. I see Flacco as a future super bowl winning QB, but only if he can do it in the next three years or else he needs to move to another team because the Ravens won't be their forever.

As for the draft. First round is easily the most interesting draft day I've ever seen after paying attention to it for the past 10 years. With all the trades and just how fast the draft went, three hours and thirty-four minutes I think is the official time it is the fastest draft day one in history. The first two picks went as expected, Andrew Luck and RG3 went to their respective teams and I expected a lot of trades seeing as how the draft wasn't as strong as it was in previous years. Defense was a commodity, along the Defensive line specifically and everyone chose based on their preference. I had Coples and Mercilous going higher on my mock draft, and the Bears took Shea McClellin who was one of my favorite lineman coming out of the combine and I had him going to the Packers who got Nick Perry who after another look makes sense seeing as he fits their defense even better after he gets some schooling from the Packers defense of hard knocks. Fletcher Cox went earlier than I expected, but the Eagles go a great pick at 12 because Fletcher Cox will get after the QB at the three point position. I'm literally tempted to go all the way through the first round and grade each pick based on their position, I may do that after day three is over.

My team, the Vikings, made a couple trades into the first round and got Matt Kalil which was expected and I still believe the right pick. There was still an itch in the back of my head hoping they would take Morris Claiborne but at the same time you can't get anywhere in the season without an OL and their would be more DB's in the draft. Well after most of the day was through they traded up into the first round again giving away the pick they got from the Browns and their second round pick to get FS Harrison Smith who was ranked second on my board for Safeties. I like/dislike this pick, Smith is a good player and probably got picked well for his value, but his seven career INT's were all in his junior year. Which to me shows that he's a hot and cold player and probably could've been picked in the second round. This also means they passed up my guy Jenkins which is alright considering I don't like drama, "we don't want no drama". Overall they didn't do bad, I just don't think they did great and I'm so critical of my team in situations like this. I remember when they picked Adrian Peterson I estatic and last year when they picked Ponder I ready to punch Zigi Wilf through the TV. I'm all for value at position, and I value it a little more than team needs at some times, there are just some guys you can't pass up.

If anyone is interested in my opinion and does want me to grade the 32 teams based on their drafts or would just like me to grade their teams. Its clear everyone has their own opinions about their teams, my favorite pick out of the draft though has got to be the Cowboy's 6th pick, moving up to get Morris Claiborne. So legacyme3... I'm jelly :3

GetGot18 : Who's your center then? I thought the Ravens had a good but aging center.

mikedavike28 : So, how do you think your favorite teams did in the draft? I saw a few that looked like winners up throught round 5 at least. Did the Colts ever pick a defensive player btw?

I'm surprised to see Kellen Moore go undrafted.

Anyone else?

Honestly, I was a tad disappointed in the first round, especially the mid range guys.

YOU DO NOT SKIP OVER RILEY REIFF WHEN YOU HAVE A TERRIBLE O-LINE.

I mean really, a huge number of those teams in the middle of the first round have O-Line troubles, and some of them just throw away that pick for some random player that may not fit their team needs that well... I'm looking at you teams like DA BEARS.

As for my fav team, Denver, I thought they did a decent job in the draft, even if they kept trading down.

legacyme3 : Not really. It's a shame for the guy, but too many scouts said that he was A) Too short, and B) Had too weak of an arm. He was great in college, but I don't think a pro team even gives him a chance, which is unfortunate.

WarpStarFerret :

Too short? Are you kidding? I can think of a few short QBs who succeeded.

And having a weak arm? Tebow has a weak arm too.

I don't see why he shouldn't be given a chance. He does win as seen in college. Sure not top level opponents, but he gets the job done.

legacyme3 : The problem is all those fast annoying little CB's in the pros that really really like jumping in between the short passer and the wide receiver and stealing the ball. They're a lot better at it in the NFL than in college, and unfortunately the short QBs that have been successful have been the exceptions to the rule; short QBs usually don't do too well in the pros. Also, Tebow has enough arm to make the throws, it's his accuracy that's the problem. I DO agree that he should be given a chance, I just don't see it happening. Just calling it like I see it.

WarpStarFerret : I think we were starting Matt Birk last year... anyway, here is a link to the Ravens roster. I do not know if the draft is included, or the 20 or so un drafted guys we picked up for some stupid reason. http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Player_Roster.aspx?q=position

WarpStarFerret : The Colts had a fairly strong draft in my opinion if you look at it in Andrew Luck's perspective by going out and grabbing offense and putting the right guys around him to help him succeed. In college Andrew Luck ran the west coast offense and on the NFL level he has the skill set to run the west coast better than any other QB coming out of the draft. He actually reminds me a little of Brett Favre, but the Colts went out and grabbed two tight ends, one of which was Luck's teammate in college in Coby Fleener. Fleener may actually be a value pick too because he had 1st round potential as a good blocking tight end, but I'm sure the timing between the two players should make him a good receiver as well. The Colts did eventually get a defensive player in the 5th round, Josh Chapman was a 4th round grade that they got in the 5th round which was more of a value pick that followed a defensive need. Their run defense was horrendous and has been for the past decade whenever they didn't have Bob Sanders. They got a big guy that they can put in the middle and he might have a chance to start for the team some day in the near future. Overall I like the what the Colts did this year and really anything they did was an improvement on a 2-14 season.

As for the rest of the draft, I like what the Cowboy's did by trading up and picking Morris Claiborne. The rest of their draft was kind of mediocre, they picked up Tyrone Crawford and Kyle Wilber who were both good value picks but didn't fill any of their needs. Crawford will be a depth pick for the DE position, he'll develop and should be a second string guy next year and see some time on the field but considering the Cowboys gave up their 2nd round pick they didn't need really need to pick up anyone at their position. They're playoff contenders and if Claiborne is the best defensive player in the draft which I think he is they'll push pretty deep into the post season.

My other team the Giants did a very good job drafting in my opinion. They pick up David Wilson in the first round, a guy that everyone talks about his speed but everyone forgets that he runs with meaning, he'll compliment Ahmad Bradshaw next year. In the second round they got Reuben Randle who some teams had on their first round draft board but he slipped all the way to the end of the 2nd round and he'll be a good value pick that filled a position that the Giants were really looking for. The rest of their picks fill needs for the team but a real pick to look at is Brandon Mosley in the 4th round. He played DE/TE most of his career and just recently started playing Tackle in college. With his body type/athletic abilities he could see some starting time later on a couple years down the road. He might play a few packages as a receiving tackle, but he is very raw and a developmental project that could play an interesting role on the team.

legacyme3 : I'm with Warp on this one, as I'm not all that surprised that Moore got passed up in the draft. The knock on him isn't as much that he's short but that he is short and can't throw the deep ball with velocity. This relates to what Warp already said, he will throw more interceptions than touchdowns in the NFL. Going undrafted doesn't mean he won't get picked up sometime in the future as a potential 2nd string QB. His leadership and poise that he showed for so many years at Boise St still has some teams looking at him, but I don't think his college success will relate to a great career in the NFL.

mikedavike28 : The guy that you were talking about was the guy from Boise? WOW!!! I am definitely surprised that he did not get picked up. If he has not gotten picked up as an un drafted free agent, then I would not be surprised if he got picked up later, and proved some people wrong.

legacyme3 :
sorry, but I am against you guys on this one. He should have been picked up... 4th or 5th round at the latest.

GetGot18 :

Are you paying attention? I said I think he SHOULD have been drafted.

legacyme3 : Yeah, I guess you did. I just took it as you saying that you thought he was alright, and was good enough to have been given a chance, but after the draft. That is just how I took it is all.

The Lions signed him to compete for the spot behind Matt Stafford, He'll get to develop behind him and you might see him in the preseason. They might be doing it for depth but he could be used as trade bait later. I wish him the best, gotta root for the underdog.

Well I got to say I'm pretty happy I got onto this, because I didn't know Moore went to the Detroit Lions that's my team and you sir have just made my day because he is a lot better then people think, and he will have chemistry with Titus Young. Great pick up, but I am very shock he wasn't drafted in the forth round by the steelers!!!