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In this thread, feel free to discuss anything and everything pertaining to the NFL draft, from possible trades you think could happen to what you think teams should do with certain picks, or even how you think certain players might perform based on who drafts them.

To start, lets discuss what should be done with the Browns 4th overall pick: I felt that they should pick either Blackmon or Richardson with it, but after leggy said they should trade it, I thought about it and thought up a potential trade partner that just might trade with them.

I could see the Browns trading down to Jacksonville's pick and still drafting Richardson anyway; not many people in the top 10 need a running back, and Tampa Bay needs a corner a LOT more than a runner. This would probably be a safe trade, and it's possible too because J-Ville has something to gain by leapfrogging the Rams in draft order; it would mean they get first dibs on the top wideouts in the draft.

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In this thread, feel free to discuss anything and everything pertaining to the NFL draft, from possible trades you think could happen to what you think teams should do with certain picks, or even how you think certain players might perform based on who drafts them.

To start, lets discuss what should be done with the Browns 4th overall pick: I felt that they should pick either Blackmon or Richardson with it, but after leggy said they should trade it, I thought about it and thought up a potential trade partner that just might trade with them.

I could see the Browns trading down to Jacksonville's pick and still drafting Richardson anyway; not many people in the top 10 need a running back, and Tampa Bay needs a corner a LOT more than a runner. This would probably be a safe trade, and it's possible too because J-Ville has something to gain by leapfrogging the Rams in draft order; it would mean they get first dibs on the top wideouts in the draft.

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I'll kick off a mini-debate by saying I think it was a mistake for the Redskins to give up so much for the number 2 pick.

I don't have a great feeling about RG3.
I'll kick off a mini-debate by saying I think it was a mistake for the Redskins to give up so much for the number 2 pick.

I don't have a great feeling about RG3.
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legacyme3 : I'll buy that... He's a possible bust, mostly from injury, but I personally don't think he'll bust. The 'Skins gave an arm and a leg for him, but in my honest opinion they were just a QB away last year. I think that was a move they needed.
legacyme3 : I'll buy that... He's a possible bust, mostly from injury, but I personally don't think he'll bust. The 'Skins gave an arm and a leg for him, but in my honest opinion they were just a QB away last year. I think that was a move they needed.
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WarpStarFerret :

The problem though was how much they gave up. I don't know if I give up that much for Luck, who I view as an even better QB.

Really looking at the way they traded, I have to wonder what they are really thinking. This is why the Redskins are always the "close but no cigar" teams. They make dumb moves like this that hurt the team.
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The problem though was how much they gave up. I don't know if I give up that much for Luck, who I view as an even better QB.

Really looking at the way they traded, I have to wonder what they are really thinking. This is why the Redskins are always the "close but no cigar" teams. They make dumb moves like this that hurt the team.
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legacyme3 : I'll agree they gave an arm, a leg, an eye, and an ear for that trade, but like I said they're "A QB away..." right now, and they saw a Franchise QB within reach and went and got him. Besides, there's always the 3% chance that the Colts grab RG3 over Luck, and the 'Skins get Luck(y). (Not likely, but possible) If he busts, the 'Skins are fish-fry, but if he doesn't they'll actually be contenders for the first time in... How long? I don't even know.
legacyme3 : I'll agree they gave an arm, a leg, an eye, and an ear for that trade, but like I said they're "A QB away..." right now, and they saw a Franchise QB within reach and went and got him. Besides, there's always the 3% chance that the Colts grab RG3 over Luck, and the 'Skins get Luck(y). (Not likely, but possible) If he busts, the 'Skins are fish-fry, but if he doesn't they'll actually be contenders for the first time in... How long? I don't even know.
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WarpStarFerret :

The thing is... it wouldn't have been too hard to get that franchise QB without trading away so much.

Last I checked... they did the trade without even CHECKING on Manning. Which I view as a mistake for them. It was a bad signing by the Broncos because they didn't NEED a QB. It would have been a good signing by the Skins.
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The thing is... it wouldn't have been too hard to get that franchise QB without trading away so much.

Last I checked... they did the trade without even CHECKING on Manning. Which I view as a mistake for them. It was a bad signing by the Broncos because they didn't NEED a QB. It would have been a good signing by the Skins.
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legacyme3 : The difference there is that Manning is 14 years pro. He's 36, for an NFL player that's old. RG3 is going to be a Rookie; he has a LOT more left in the tank than Manning does, that much is certain. It was a calculated risk, true, but I'm sure the 'Skins DID weigh in their options before pulling the trigger. It was probably just resolved entirely internally.

That being said... Do you think the Browns trading picks with the Jaguars would be a good move? The Jags need a receiver and the Rams are in their way, and the Browns can probably still get Richardson at #7.
legacyme3 : The difference there is that Manning is 14 years pro. He's 36, for an NFL player that's old. RG3 is going to be a Rookie; he has a LOT more left in the tank than Manning does, that much is certain. It was a calculated risk, true, but I'm sure the 'Skins DID weigh in their options before pulling the trigger. It was probably just resolved entirely internally.

That being said... Do you think the Browns trading picks with the Jaguars would be a good move? The Jags need a receiver and the Rams are in their way, and the Browns can probably still get Richardson at #7.
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RG3 is not an NFL player. Andrew Luck is an NFL player. Scrambling quarterbacks have a hard time making a huge difference in the NFL. (Just look at Tebow! )

Oh and I think any team that wants to pick up a great sleeper linebacker should look at Lavonte David. He was a Nebraska Cornhusker, and he has great football instincts and an unmatchable quickness.
RG3 is not an NFL player. Andrew Luck is an NFL player. Scrambling quarterbacks have a hard time making a huge difference in the NFL. (Just look at Tebow! )

Oh and I think any team that wants to pick up a great sleeper linebacker should look at Lavonte David. He was a Nebraska Cornhusker, and he has great football instincts and an unmatchable quickness.
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tj4bigred : The difference between RG3 and Tebow is that RG3 can actually throw a pretty good pass. They've pretty much established that, if you don't believe it watch some tape and his pro day workout. He's not really a scrambler, he'd rather pass. Just because he can scramble doesn't mean he's a scrambler, you're over-generalizing.

As far as the linebacker goes, maybe. What's his projected round right now?
tj4bigred : The difference between RG3 and Tebow is that RG3 can actually throw a pretty good pass. They've pretty much established that, if you don't believe it watch some tape and his pro day workout. He's not really a scrambler, he'd rather pass. Just because he can scramble doesn't mean he's a scrambler, you're over-generalizing.

As far as the linebacker goes, maybe. What's his projected round right now?
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David is probably a low second rounder right now. He's fast, and hits like a truck, the only problem is he's rather small.

And perhaps scrambler wasn't the right term. What I mean is, Griffin isn't exactly a dropback pocket-passer. But yes, he throws a much better ball than Tebow.
David is probably a low second rounder right now. He's fast, and hits like a truck, the only problem is he's rather small.

And perhaps scrambler wasn't the right term. What I mean is, Griffin isn't exactly a dropback pocket-passer. But yes, he throws a much better ball than Tebow.
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tj4bigred : That was the point I was trying to make. The biggest part of why I think RG3 has a good shot to succeed is because he's a more athletic version of the same type of QB that the 'Skins head coach likes to build plays around. He's going to have his own playbook for as long as he's with the 'Skins, and from what I've heard he's smart enough to handle it.
tj4bigred : That was the point I was trying to make. The biggest part of why I think RG3 has a good shot to succeed is because he's a more athletic version of the same type of QB that the 'Skins head coach likes to build plays around. He's going to have his own playbook for as long as he's with the 'Skins, and from what I've heard he's smart enough to handle it.
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Well with the season now over and April around the corner, we're coming into what may be one of my favorite times of the year. The NFL Draft I'm always one that likes to put in my opinion on the matter, and I think we can all agree as of now that Andrew Luck is probably the consensus first overall pick the Colts. Irsay, the Colts owner has said that both Luck and RG3 are "In the air" for the first pick, but considering it seems that Luck has been consistant throughout his collegiate career and has showed interest in joining the Colts that he should be the first pick. Which leaves RG3 for the Redskins, whom I actually see as a better pick overall. If you look at RG3 you'll see that he isn't as much a scrambler as much as he is an athlete at the quarterback position. Simply put, the dudes a beast, and his ceiling is higher than Luck's, but it comes with risks seeing as the kid has a prior list of injuries and he's already undersized. I see him more as a Cam Newton'esk player with a throw first run last mentality.

I personally am a Vikings fan, what does everyone think about the third pick? I think that this is definately the wild card pick, whoever they choose with the third pick is going to throw off the top ten. The obvious choice is Matt Kalil with the release of stud LG Steve Hutchinson. This could allow the Vikings to start him right away at RT or kick the aging Bryant McKinney into LG to create a solid starting line for the Vikings similar to what they had last year. However, with the aging crew of DB's and Antoine Winfield's career retirement looming, I don't see them going wrong with drafting Morris Claiborne or the playmaker WR Justin Blackmon. With Chris Cook back from his year suspension it will be interesting to me to see where their position leads them.

Also, the Browns are shopping their fourth overall pick around, whether its to Jacksonville or to the Rams is now the question. The Rams may be the team looking to move up, seeing as the Browns were snubbed in the Redskin/Rams trade. They need a WR for Sam Bradford to throw to, look for them to move up to the browns spot with that extra second round pick if the Vikings pass on Blackmon. Its all about value at this point in the draft, they could also take WR Michael Floyd, but that may be reaching for a guy who some don't see as a top 10 prospect. Whats everyone's opinions on picks outside the top ten and does anyone want to create a mock draft for the first round? Sounds like fun to me.
Well with the season now over and April around the corner, we're coming into what may be one of my favorite times of the year. The NFL Draft I'm always one that likes to put in my opinion on the matter, and I think we can all agree as of now that Andrew Luck is probably the consensus first overall pick the Colts. Irsay, the Colts owner has said that both Luck and RG3 are "In the air" for the first pick, but considering it seems that Luck has been consistant throughout his collegiate career and has showed interest in joining the Colts that he should be the first pick. Which leaves RG3 for the Redskins, whom I actually see as a better pick overall. If you look at RG3 you'll see that he isn't as much a scrambler as much as he is an athlete at the quarterback position. Simply put, the dudes a beast, and his ceiling is higher than Luck's, but it comes with risks seeing as the kid has a prior list of injuries and he's already undersized. I see him more as a Cam Newton'esk player with a throw first run last mentality.

I personally am a Vikings fan, what does everyone think about the third pick? I think that this is definately the wild card pick, whoever they choose with the third pick is going to throw off the top ten. The obvious choice is Matt Kalil with the release of stud LG Steve Hutchinson. This could allow the Vikings to start him right away at RT or kick the aging Bryant McKinney into LG to create a solid starting line for the Vikings similar to what they had last year. However, with the aging crew of DB's and Antoine Winfield's career retirement looming, I don't see them going wrong with drafting Morris Claiborne or the playmaker WR Justin Blackmon. With Chris Cook back from his year suspension it will be interesting to me to see where their position leads them.

Also, the Browns are shopping their fourth overall pick around, whether its to Jacksonville or to the Rams is now the question. The Rams may be the team looking to move up, seeing as the Browns were snubbed in the Redskin/Rams trade. They need a WR for Sam Bradford to throw to, look for them to move up to the browns spot with that extra second round pick if the Vikings pass on Blackmon. Its all about value at this point in the draft, they could also take WR Michael Floyd, but that may be reaching for a guy who some don't see as a top 10 prospect. Whats everyone's opinions on picks outside the top ten and does anyone want to create a mock draft for the first round? Sounds like fun to me.
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The Vikings need defense. That is all that needs to be said. Blackmon should be on the board if the Rams want him. Of course, only if they trade up to the Browns pick.

I'm curious about the Colts seeming to waver on Luck.

I have to say this. If the Redskins somehow get Luck. That trade suddenly goes from horrible to amazing in a snap.

Luck is a once in a generation talent. Nothing against RG3... but he isn't going to be as dynamic as Luck will be.

As a Cowboys fan, I hope the Redskins get "stuck" with RG3.
The Vikings need defense. That is all that needs to be said. Blackmon should be on the board if the Rams want him. Of course, only if they trade up to the Browns pick.

I'm curious about the Colts seeming to waver on Luck.

I have to say this. If the Redskins somehow get Luck. That trade suddenly goes from horrible to amazing in a snap.

Luck is a once in a generation talent. Nothing against RG3... but he isn't going to be as dynamic as Luck will be.

As a Cowboys fan, I hope the Redskins get "stuck" with RG3.
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I think you have that backwards, Luck is indeed a once in a generation player, on par with Manning and Elway in his skill set. But RG3 is by far a more dynamic QB than him, his athletic ability alone sets him apart from Luck. There was a point in the season that where he had 17 touchdowns compared to only 13 incomplete passes. There's no denying that RG3 has the arm to make all the passes that the NFL requires, the question is whether or not he is willing to play a QB as opposed to a role similar to Cam Newton or Michael Vick. I basically see this as a "can't go wrong" situation, its not like the Peyton Manning/Ryan Leaf screw up of 1998, the Redskins are going to end up with a quality franchise QB.
I think you have that backwards, Luck is indeed a once in a generation player, on par with Manning and Elway in his skill set. But RG3 is by far a more dynamic QB than him, his athletic ability alone sets him apart from Luck. There was a point in the season that where he had 17 touchdowns compared to only 13 incomplete passes. There's no denying that RG3 has the arm to make all the passes that the NFL requires, the question is whether or not he is willing to play a QB as opposed to a role similar to Cam Newton or Michael Vick. I basically see this as a "can't go wrong" situation, its not like the Peyton Manning/Ryan Leaf screw up of 1998, the Redskins are going to end up with a quality franchise QB.
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mikedavike28 :

This is where I have to disagree.

While RG3 is more athletic, I don't think he'll have as solid an NFL career. I have a feeling he's going to end up a draft bust.

It's just one of those intuition things.

For the record, I also knew Jamarcus Russel was going to be a bust. When did we last see him?
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This is where I have to disagree.

While RG3 is more athletic, I don't think he'll have as solid an NFL career. I have a feeling he's going to end up a draft bust.

It's just one of those intuition things.

For the record, I also knew Jamarcus Russel was going to be a bust. When did we last see him?
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Jamarcus Russels work ethic was the reason why he ended up a bust, the Raiders knew it when they drafted him. He was out of shape coming into training camp and he needed a clear attitude adjustment. Add to the fact that he couldn't read a defense to save his life and you got yourself one big pile of crap at QB. RG3 came back from a torn anterior cruciate ligament, destroyed college football at the QB position and jumped through the roof at his training day and at the NFL combine. He is smart and wants to play football, I see a bright future for him and I may be wrong, but then again I may be right. Give it 2-3 years and you can come back and say "I told you so" but as of now I give him the good to go. Kids a playmaker and thats what you want at QB.
Jamarcus Russels work ethic was the reason why he ended up a bust, the Raiders knew it when they drafted him. He was out of shape coming into training camp and he needed a clear attitude adjustment. Add to the fact that he couldn't read a defense to save his life and you got yourself one big pile of crap at QB. RG3 came back from a torn anterior cruciate ligament, destroyed college football at the QB position and jumped through the roof at his training day and at the NFL combine. He is smart and wants to play football, I see a bright future for him and I may be wrong, but then again I may be right. Give it 2-3 years and you can come back and say "I told you so" but as of now I give him the good to go. Kids a playmaker and thats what you want at QB.
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I also disagree with those hating on RG3. This kid can play the game and he is way more Michael Vick than he is Tim Tebow. As mentioned by previous posts, he can throw the ball light years better than Tebow. In Tebow's 3 years as start for the Florida Gators, Tebow eclipsed the 3,000 pass yard just once. In the two season after coming back from a season that ended his 2009 season, RG3 passed for 3,500+ yards in both seasons and still rushed for over 500 yards and 8+ TDs in each of them.

If you put Griffin's and Luck's numbers side to side, Griffin's numbers are better (hence he won the Heisman this year). Is there a chance that the Colts use their #1 pick on RG3 over Luck? Slim, but yes. Luck is getting taken 1st overall because scouts say he is the next Joe Montana. He is the classic pocket passing QB. But can the Colts avoid lightning twice? Everybody remember how the Colts got Peyton Manning?

In the 1998 NFL draft, there were two consensus number one picks. Peyton Manning out of Tennessee, who smashed SEC records and winning 39 of his 45 career starts for the school and then there was Ryan Leaf out of Washington State, who averaged over 330 yards per game in his last year before the declaring for the draft and finished 3rd in Heisman trophy voting behind Charles Woodson and Manning.

The rest is history, Leaf's NFL career was shorter than Kim Kardashian's patience for Kris Humphries and Manning is headed to the Hall of Fame when he decides to call it a career.

And lastly, my Patriots need defense. And lots of it, we have plenty of offense especially with the additions of Brandon Lloyd and Anthony Gonzalez. Actually...a decent RB wouldn't be too bad either.
I also disagree with those hating on RG3. This kid can play the game and he is way more Michael Vick than he is Tim Tebow. As mentioned by previous posts, he can throw the ball light years better than Tebow. In Tebow's 3 years as start for the Florida Gators, Tebow eclipsed the 3,000 pass yard just once. In the two season after coming back from a season that ended his 2009 season, RG3 passed for 3,500+ yards in both seasons and still rushed for over 500 yards and 8+ TDs in each of them.

If you put Griffin's and Luck's numbers side to side, Griffin's numbers are better (hence he won the Heisman this year). Is there a chance that the Colts use their #1 pick on RG3 over Luck? Slim, but yes. Luck is getting taken 1st overall because scouts say he is the next Joe Montana. He is the classic pocket passing QB. But can the Colts avoid lightning twice? Everybody remember how the Colts got Peyton Manning?

In the 1998 NFL draft, there were two consensus number one picks. Peyton Manning out of Tennessee, who smashed SEC records and winning 39 of his 45 career starts for the school and then there was Ryan Leaf out of Washington State, who averaged over 330 yards per game in his last year before the declaring for the draft and finished 3rd in Heisman trophy voting behind Charles Woodson and Manning.

The rest is history, Leaf's NFL career was shorter than Kim Kardashian's patience for Kris Humphries and Manning is headed to the Hall of Fame when he decides to call it a career.

And lastly, my Patriots need defense. And lots of it, we have plenty of offense especially with the additions of Brandon Lloyd and Anthony Gonzalez. Actually...a decent RB wouldn't be too bad either.
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It's so difficult to figure out if a college QB's skills will translate into the NFL game. You know how many highly touted QB's in college wound up being huge busts in the NFL? Look at that J. Russell dude, that guy was worthless. Ryan Leaf? Akili Smith? The list goes on and on.

Honestly I didn't think Cam Newton was going to have the year he had either. I was wrong on that one by a mile. So it kinda gives me pause as to if I think that RG3 will be a good NFL QB. He has a lot of great physical tools, but who knows if his game can truly translate to the NFL level.
It's so difficult to figure out if a college QB's skills will translate into the NFL game. You know how many highly touted QB's in college wound up being huge busts in the NFL? Look at that J. Russell dude, that guy was worthless. Ryan Leaf? Akili Smith? The list goes on and on.

Honestly I didn't think Cam Newton was going to have the year he had either. I was wrong on that one by a mile. So it kinda gives me pause as to if I think that RG3 will be a good NFL QB. He has a lot of great physical tools, but who knows if his game can truly translate to the NFL level.
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On the other hand, I expected a lot out of Cam Newton... pleasantly surprised he passed my huge expectations.

And yeah, that's what my qualm is too. He has the athleticism/tools, but that doesn't always translate.
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On the other hand, I expected a lot out of Cam Newton... pleasantly surprised he passed my huge expectations.

And yeah, that's what my qualm is too. He has the athleticism/tools, but that doesn't always translate.
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legacyme3 : Yeah it really is a crapshoot sometimes. Even if a guy looks like he has all the tools in the world to succeed, sometimes they still don't work out. It will be interesting to see what happens though.

legacyme3 : Yeah it really is a crapshoot sometimes. Even if a guy looks like he has all the tools in the world to succeed, sometimes they still don't work out. It will be interesting to see what happens though.

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