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03-23-12 03:23 AM
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For those who have been living in a cave.

-The Broncos paid a lot of money for a guy who may not even be healthy (Peyton Manning)
-The Broncos then trade away their healthy, (now) backup QB to the Jets. For draft picks (Tim Tebow)
-The Dolphins sign some guy to play QB (who the hell cares?)

And this whole thing is lost on me.

For one, I get who Manning is, but they are giving a lot of money for a guy who isn't even proven to be healthy.

Then they trade away Tim Tebow? What if Manning gets injured (a likely outcome)?

Not only that, but this literally does nothing for Tebow, as he is STILL a backup. So the problem isn't solved at all.

I'm scratching my head. Wondering why.
For those who have been living in a cave.

-The Broncos paid a lot of money for a guy who may not even be healthy (Peyton Manning)
-The Broncos then trade away their healthy, (now) backup QB to the Jets. For draft picks (Tim Tebow)
-The Dolphins sign some guy to play QB (who the hell cares?)

And this whole thing is lost on me.

For one, I get who Manning is, but they are giving a lot of money for a guy who isn't even proven to be healthy.

Then they trade away Tim Tebow? What if Manning gets injured (a likely outcome)?

Not only that, but this literally does nothing for Tebow, as he is STILL a backup. So the problem isn't solved at all.

I'm scratching my head. Wondering why.
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I'm scratching my head too. I assume that if Manning does get hurt ( Indeed a likely outcome ) the Broncos will have some major regrets.
As for Tim, well, sorry Tim but you got stuck with some idiots and they traded you. Lets hope that your team realizes your potential.
I'm scratching my head too. I assume that if Manning does get hurt ( Indeed a likely outcome ) the Broncos will have some major regrets.
As for Tim, well, sorry Tim but you got stuck with some idiots and they traded you. Lets hope that your team realizes your potential.
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I'm no Bronco's fan, but here's my take on it. There's no way you pass up getting Manning on your team, especially since they have seen him throw and like what they saw.

There's no way you are going to keep Tebow and Manning on the roster at the same time. You aren't going to sub out manning for a "Wildcat" or "Option" package just to get Tebow in the game. You would have to have 2 totally different playbooks for each QB, and that' just doesn't happen.

Tebow had a nice year last year, but let's face it a lot of fortunate things happened last year to get them to the playoffs, there's no reason to think that he can duplicate that again this year. Especially now that teams have tape on him that they can watch during training camp. People will be looking for him when he get's on the field.
I'm no Bronco's fan, but here's my take on it. There's no way you pass up getting Manning on your team, especially since they have seen him throw and like what they saw.

There's no way you are going to keep Tebow and Manning on the roster at the same time. You aren't going to sub out manning for a "Wildcat" or "Option" package just to get Tebow in the game. You would have to have 2 totally different playbooks for each QB, and that' just doesn't happen.

Tebow had a nice year last year, but let's face it a lot of fortunate things happened last year to get them to the playoffs, there's no reason to think that he can duplicate that again this year. Especially now that teams have tape on him that they can watch during training camp. People will be looking for him when he get's on the field.
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I know this a VERY unlikely outcome but Tim my be converted to a RB or even a FB. I mean with his running ability... I can understand the broncos signing Peyton, but he hasn`t done anything to prove himself after those surgeries.
I know this a VERY unlikely outcome but Tim my be converted to a RB or even a FB. I mean with his running ability... I can understand the broncos signing Peyton, but he hasn`t done anything to prove himself after those surgeries.
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Yeah, New York is going to be a Media circus next year. :/ Linsanity, meet Tebowmania. What's worse, the Jets were a Media magnet to begin with.
Yeah, New York is going to be a Media circus next year. :/ Linsanity, meet Tebowmania. What's worse, the Jets were a Media magnet to begin with.
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WarpStarFerret :

From what I hear... They brought in Tebow to positively affect the light on them.

The Jets are not that classy a team... and they probably hope Tebow brings some class to them.
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From what I hear... They brought in Tebow to positively affect the light on them.

The Jets are not that classy a team... and they probably hope Tebow brings some class to them.
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legacyme3 : True. The fact that Tebow will start the season on the bench will be a problem for both the coaching staff and for Sanchez though. Sanchez has to be scared of losing his starting job now, and the fans might give the coaching staff nightmares by trying to push for Tebow to start before he's ready. New playbook, after all, and he wasn't really ready last year on a team he was used to even.
legacyme3 : True. The fact that Tebow will start the season on the bench will be a problem for both the coaching staff and for Sanchez though. Sanchez has to be scared of losing his starting job now, and the fans might give the coaching staff nightmares by trying to push for Tebow to start before he's ready. New playbook, after all, and he wasn't really ready last year on a team he was used to even.
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WarpStarFerret :

Sanchez has no reason to be worried.

Why?

Look at that contract. No one is going to pay that much for a bench QB.

I hear Tebow will only come in a couple snaps to do the Wildcat offense to throw other teams off.
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Sanchez has no reason to be worried.

Why?

Look at that contract. No one is going to pay that much for a bench QB.

I hear Tebow will only come in a couple snaps to do the Wildcat offense to throw other teams off.
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legacyme3 : That's the coaching staff's plan. That was the plan last year for the Broncos too (essentially), that's what should be worrying Sanchez. That being said though, I think Sanchez has less to worry about than Orton did, but he still has to be feeling the heat a little.
legacyme3 : That's the coaching staff's plan. That was the plan last year for the Broncos too (essentially), that's what should be worrying Sanchez. That being said though, I think Sanchez has less to worry about than Orton did, but he still has to be feeling the heat a little.
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WarpStarFerret :

The difference between Sanchez and Orton though has always been how the players felt about them.

The guys seemed to want Orton gone.

The guys on the Jets seem to want no part of Tebow.

Which makes me think it may actually work out.
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The difference between Sanchez and Orton though has always been how the players felt about them.

The guys seemed to want Orton gone.

The guys on the Jets seem to want no part of Tebow.

Which makes me think it may actually work out.
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The Broncos made a very BAD decision trading Tebow. He could still be a very good QB for them, and Manning might retire in the near future, but now that he's in the Jets, what does Broncos have? They got another QB, but he's no Tebow.
The Broncos made a very BAD decision trading Tebow. He could still be a very good QB for them, and Manning might retire in the near future, but now that he's in the Jets, what does Broncos have? They got another QB, but he's no Tebow.
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Who did the Broncos even replace Tebow with anyways? I don't even know. :/ Maybe they plan to spend a second or third round pick this year on an heir apparent for Manning.
Who did the Broncos even replace Tebow with anyways? I don't even know. :/ Maybe they plan to spend a second or third round pick this year on an heir apparent for Manning.
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WarpStarFerret :

They don't have a backup QB as far as I know. And if they do, he didn't take many snaps last year.

I think they plan on drafting 2 or 3 QBs in the draft for Manning to teach.
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They don't have a backup QB as far as I know. And if they do, he didn't take many snaps last year.

I think they plan on drafting 2 or 3 QBs in the draft for Manning to teach.
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legacyme3 : Their backup last year was Brady Quinn. He signed with the Chiefs this off-season, he's not on the team anymore. Unless the Broncos signed a QB in Free agency, they either have a practice squad player they're hopeful of or they are looking at mid-round QBs in the draft this year.
legacyme3 : Their backup last year was Brady Quinn. He signed with the Chiefs this off-season, he's not on the team anymore. Unless the Broncos signed a QB in Free agency, they either have a practice squad player they're hopeful of or they are looking at mid-round QBs in the draft this year.
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WarpStarFerret :

I don't recall them signing anyone other than Manning... so I think they are going to the draft. LOL
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I don't recall them signing anyone other than Manning... so I think they are going to the draft. LOL
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I was caught off guard by the trade. I kinda expected Tebow to go to Jacksonville, because it would be a much better fit. He'd probably start immediately and the fans would love to have him there. Plus the Jags wouldn't need to give up too much to get him.

But this just doesn't really make sense. The Broncos really wanted Tebow gone apparently, because they got pretty much nothing from the trade, but I don't get why the Jets would even want him. Unless they're worried about Sanchez not being able to lead his team like he was accused of last year. I guess I could see them having him there in case their season looks lost early.
I was caught off guard by the trade. I kinda expected Tebow to go to Jacksonville, because it would be a much better fit. He'd probably start immediately and the fans would love to have him there. Plus the Jags wouldn't need to give up too much to get him.

But this just doesn't really make sense. The Broncos really wanted Tebow gone apparently, because they got pretty much nothing from the trade, but I don't get why the Jets would even want him. Unless they're worried about Sanchez not being able to lead his team like he was accused of last year. I guess I could see them having him there in case their season looks lost early.
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Alright, so I look at it this way...

Peyton= high risk/high reward: Lets face it, Peyton Manning is possibly the greatest QB of this era aside from Brett Favre (My opinion). John Elway knows it, the bronco's know it, and the team is definately going to show improvement this year with him under the helm. Demarius Thomas and Eric Decker were two WR prospects that panned out well with Orton playing, you can definately expect more out of them with Manning throwing the ball. However, three neck surgeries in the span of one year is a huge red flag, does anyone remember Urlacher with the same situation? If he has a good year, which I expect, I definately don't see him getting out of a second year unscathed. Now that the Bronco's traded Tebow, whos the guy that comes in for Manning? Eh, Caleb Hanie, does anyone remember him? The guy that subbed in for Crybaby Cutler in the NFC Championship. Screams success, just about as much as Curtis Painter did for the Colts, 0-8 as a replacement for Manning, simply put where is the logic in this move. One bad hit, Manning hits the deck and its Joe Theisman all over again, we're talking career ending.

Tebow, on the other hand I have a different opinion of, as a football fan we all look at stats to compare players, what we forget is the W-L column stat. Tebow although he may not be a prototypical QB, you can't deny the fact that all he does is win. He hasn't even had a real chance to prove himself which is what surprises me, but voted the greatest college football player in history what more is there to prove? Everyone looks at the throw percentage and we all talk about his throwing mechanics, but who is there to decide what is right and wrong. What works for the kid works, and maybe you can tweak what is already the problem and throw the kid in there, cause the only way he'll learn is through experience. Yet the Broncos still would throw away their team captain, a player who literally willed the Broncos to 7-4 and brought them to the playoffs after possibly some of the worst Quarterback play by Kyle Orton. Do I think his mechanics are off? Yes. Is the wildcat offense a dead art? Possibly. But did it still work? Most Definately. He still has more touchdowns than interceptions (Now 17-6) and ran for 12 more, add it all up and you have 29 TD's for 6 INT's, does that look more respectable for you doubters. Add on the fact that he has a playoff win under his belt, and put together possibly one of the greatest string of 4th quarter wins and you got yourself a starting QB. I think with the right coaching he could definately fix his throwing motion (Aaron Rodgers used to have a long throwing motion similar to Tebow), and the threat from both his arm and his legs could possibly make him one of the greatest football players in the game. Whether or not he starts for the Jets is still in the air, what position doesn't matter, but they got a steal for this player. Everyone looks for a football player, a winner on their team, thats all that matters in my opinion.
Alright, so I look at it this way...

Peyton= high risk/high reward: Lets face it, Peyton Manning is possibly the greatest QB of this era aside from Brett Favre (My opinion). John Elway knows it, the bronco's know it, and the team is definately going to show improvement this year with him under the helm. Demarius Thomas and Eric Decker were two WR prospects that panned out well with Orton playing, you can definately expect more out of them with Manning throwing the ball. However, three neck surgeries in the span of one year is a huge red flag, does anyone remember Urlacher with the same situation? If he has a good year, which I expect, I definately don't see him getting out of a second year unscathed. Now that the Bronco's traded Tebow, whos the guy that comes in for Manning? Eh, Caleb Hanie, does anyone remember him? The guy that subbed in for Crybaby Cutler in the NFC Championship. Screams success, just about as much as Curtis Painter did for the Colts, 0-8 as a replacement for Manning, simply put where is the logic in this move. One bad hit, Manning hits the deck and its Joe Theisman all over again, we're talking career ending.

Tebow, on the other hand I have a different opinion of, as a football fan we all look at stats to compare players, what we forget is the W-L column stat. Tebow although he may not be a prototypical QB, you can't deny the fact that all he does is win. He hasn't even had a real chance to prove himself which is what surprises me, but voted the greatest college football player in history what more is there to prove? Everyone looks at the throw percentage and we all talk about his throwing mechanics, but who is there to decide what is right and wrong. What works for the kid works, and maybe you can tweak what is already the problem and throw the kid in there, cause the only way he'll learn is through experience. Yet the Broncos still would throw away their team captain, a player who literally willed the Broncos to 7-4 and brought them to the playoffs after possibly some of the worst Quarterback play by Kyle Orton. Do I think his mechanics are off? Yes. Is the wildcat offense a dead art? Possibly. But did it still work? Most Definately. He still has more touchdowns than interceptions (Now 17-6) and ran for 12 more, add it all up and you have 29 TD's for 6 INT's, does that look more respectable for you doubters. Add on the fact that he has a playoff win under his belt, and put together possibly one of the greatest string of 4th quarter wins and you got yourself a starting QB. I think with the right coaching he could definately fix his throwing motion (Aaron Rodgers used to have a long throwing motion similar to Tebow), and the threat from both his arm and his legs could possibly make him one of the greatest football players in the game. Whether or not he starts for the Jets is still in the air, what position doesn't matter, but they got a steal for this player. Everyone looks for a football player, a winner on their team, thats all that matters in my opinion.
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I think it's funny that the Jets are acting like they brought Tebow in to be the backup and only work the wildcat. You know full well that they brought him in to create a media buzz around the team. The second that things start going bad for Sanchez the fans will start calling for Tebow. It's a tough situation for sanchez to be in, that's for sure. Truth is though that they guy really hasn't gotten better for the past two seasons. Hell, his numbers actually got worse last year.
I think it's funny that the Jets are acting like they brought Tebow in to be the backup and only work the wildcat. You know full well that they brought him in to create a media buzz around the team. The second that things start going bad for Sanchez the fans will start calling for Tebow. It's a tough situation for sanchez to be in, that's for sure. Truth is though that they guy really hasn't gotten better for the past two seasons. Hell, his numbers actually got worse last year.
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Alright, I am just going to cut to the chase. Tim Tebow is a great QB maybe not as good as Manning but a lot better than Sanchez. Rex Ryan made a stupid mistake as putting Sanchez as the starter and making Tebow 3rd string. Tim tebow brought a TERRABLE team to the playoffs so he could do this with the Jets to, not that I want him to. Than there was the game when everyone chanted Tebows name but Rex Ryan would not put him in saying afterward that Tim Tebow was hurt. Then there was the whole tattoo thing. This just shows that Rex Ryan likes Sanchez more than anyone else, saying a lot about his team.
Alright, I am just going to cut to the chase. Tim Tebow is a great QB maybe not as good as Manning but a lot better than Sanchez. Rex Ryan made a stupid mistake as putting Sanchez as the starter and making Tebow 3rd string. Tim tebow brought a TERRABLE team to the playoffs so he could do this with the Jets to, not that I want him to. Than there was the game when everyone chanted Tebows name but Rex Ryan would not put him in saying afterward that Tim Tebow was hurt. Then there was the whole tattoo thing. This just shows that Rex Ryan likes Sanchez more than anyone else, saying a lot about his team.
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Elpizo : Usually it's frowned upon to revive threads that are over 9 months old. I just want to point that out.

I can tell that you are a Tebow fan, and that's ok but I wanted to point out a few things to you that you seem to not know.

The Broncos were in no way shape or form a "Terrible" team last year. They had a top 10 ranked defense that pretty much gave them the opportunity to make the playoffs. Sure Tim Tebow made some lucky/amazing plays that year but it was their defense and their great FG kicker that kept them in the game and won the game on a few occasions. I mean their FG kicker alone hit like 60 yard FG's to win a game or two.

Whether or not you believe in Sanchez(I personally don't but that's not the point) Almost every coach in the NFL knows that Tim Tebow is a bad practice QB who can't read defenses enough to throw downfield in the NFL. His coaches in the NFL have done his a disservice in this regard, as do his supporters that don't understand that.

He needs to be the no 3 QB on a team and be told that he needs to change to make it such as the difference between two-deep and three-deep coverage. IF and when he learns that, maybe he will have a chance. As of right now a backup role, or changing positions is the best he can expect. If he's lucky.
Elpizo : Usually it's frowned upon to revive threads that are over 9 months old. I just want to point that out.

I can tell that you are a Tebow fan, and that's ok but I wanted to point out a few things to you that you seem to not know.

The Broncos were in no way shape or form a "Terrible" team last year. They had a top 10 ranked defense that pretty much gave them the opportunity to make the playoffs. Sure Tim Tebow made some lucky/amazing plays that year but it was their defense and their great FG kicker that kept them in the game and won the game on a few occasions. I mean their FG kicker alone hit like 60 yard FG's to win a game or two.

Whether or not you believe in Sanchez(I personally don't but that's not the point) Almost every coach in the NFL knows that Tim Tebow is a bad practice QB who can't read defenses enough to throw downfield in the NFL. His coaches in the NFL have done his a disservice in this regard, as do his supporters that don't understand that.

He needs to be the no 3 QB on a team and be told that he needs to change to make it such as the difference between two-deep and three-deep coverage. IF and when he learns that, maybe he will have a chance. As of right now a backup role, or changing positions is the best he can expect. If he's lucky.
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