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When Jesus came into the world the first time, he had a star over the cradle and prophesies spoke of him.  Nowadays, with technology, with our current culture, and with world events, how do we know Jesus when we see him?

How will it happen?

Thanks!
When Jesus came into the world the first time, he had a star over the cradle and prophesies spoke of him.  Nowadays, with technology, with our current culture, and with world events, how do we know Jesus when we see him?

How will it happen?

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This may seem like an attack, but maybe he'll have a sign on him? Like a "I'm Jesus" sign. 
Or maybe people will just have 'the feeling' when being surrounded by him, OR maybe he'll just come with like a special power.
Who knows, I guess it'll happen, when it happens and however it was meant to happen.
This may seem like an attack, but maybe he'll have a sign on him? Like a "I'm Jesus" sign. 
Or maybe people will just have 'the feeling' when being surrounded by him, OR maybe he'll just come with like a special power.
Who knows, I guess it'll happen, when it happens and however it was meant to happen.
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Theres a guy in australia who claims hes jesus.
Theres a guy in australia who claims hes jesus.
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I don't understand quite what you mean. If you mean how do we know when? In that case, we do not have a set date for his coming. What we have are the signs of the times. In the Bible, we will know that his coming will be soon when we see fulfilled end times prophecies. In terms of what it will look like when he actually comes? I think we would see the sky open up and something about a trumpet blast. So it might look like pretty cool actually, and scary.
I don't understand quite what you mean. If you mean how do we know when? In that case, we do not have a set date for his coming. What we have are the signs of the times. In the Bible, we will know that his coming will be soon when we see fulfilled end times prophecies. In terms of what it will look like when he actually comes? I think we would see the sky open up and something about a trumpet blast. So it might look like pretty cool actually, and scary.
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the trumpets that will be herd all at the same time around the world
the trumpets that will be herd all at the same time around the world
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In order for Jesus to appear for everyone to see at once would require multiple mirrors, reflections, or holograms. Not even the sun can be seen by the entire world at once so there would need to be other elements involved in order for him to "display" across the world at the same time.

There is another problem here as well, what if people are sleeping or are inside? Guess they are out of luck
In order for Jesus to appear for everyone to see at once would require multiple mirrors, reflections, or holograms. Not even the sun can be seen by the entire world at once so there would need to be other elements involved in order for him to "display" across the world at the same time.

There is another problem here as well, what if people are sleeping or are inside? Guess they are out of luck
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thenumberone : There's a guy in america who thinks he's Jesus, there are looney's everywhere who think they're Jesus. (no offence to anyone I love JC)

thenumberone : There's a guy in america who thinks he's Jesus, there are looney's everywhere who think they're Jesus. (no offence to anyone I love JC)

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It won't be known until it he actually returns. Jesus spoke numerous warnings. The best one to read, I think, is Matthew chapter 24. In it are signs of his return, many of them. Signs from the world itself (famines and earthquakes, verse 7), persecution to those who believe in Jesus (verse 9), others will turn away from their faith (verse 10), false prophets will deceive many (verse 11), but those who stand firm in their faith will be saved; it will be preached to the whole world and be testimony to all nations, and the end will come (verses 13 & 14).

We will never know when Jesus will return.

42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

Let's face it. If we knew when Jesus would return, we'd commit every sin for our own enjoyment until the day or night before he shows up --putting things off until the last minute, just like college papers.
It won't be known until it he actually returns. Jesus spoke numerous warnings. The best one to read, I think, is Matthew chapter 24. In it are signs of his return, many of them. Signs from the world itself (famines and earthquakes, verse 7), persecution to those who believe in Jesus (verse 9), others will turn away from their faith (verse 10), false prophets will deceive many (verse 11), but those who stand firm in their faith will be saved; it will be preached to the whole world and be testimony to all nations, and the end will come (verses 13 & 14).

We will never know when Jesus will return.

42 “Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43 But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him."

Let's face it. If we knew when Jesus would return, we'd commit every sin for our own enjoyment until the day or night before he shows up --putting things off until the last minute, just like college papers.
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I think it is possible and even likely that many people, Christians included, will not recognize that Jesus has returned. There are events that act as a prelude to Jesus' return, but some people may not notice them or put two and two together. I mean, not all Jews recognized the fulfillment of prophecies regarding Jesus when he was around the first time.


Jesus was rather specific when mentioning these signs in Matthew 24.  Here is what he said about these signs/events that occur directly before he comes again.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’"

30 Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

So "all the peoples of the earth" will see him coming on clouds (which kinda goes against my first point but I still stand by it), but only after the sun has darkened,  the moons stops giving off its light and after the stars fall...
I think it is possible and even likely that many people, Christians included, will not recognize that Jesus has returned. There are events that act as a prelude to Jesus' return, but some people may not notice them or put two and two together. I mean, not all Jews recognized the fulfillment of prophecies regarding Jesus when he was around the first time.


Jesus was rather specific when mentioning these signs in Matthew 24.  Here is what he said about these signs/events that occur directly before he comes again.

29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’"

30 Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

So "all the peoples of the earth" will see him coming on clouds (which kinda goes against my first point but I still stand by it), but only after the sun has darkened,  the moons stops giving off its light and after the stars fall...
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smotpoker86 : "I think it is possible and even likely that many people, Christians included, will not recognize that Jesus has returned."

I dunno, but I think it's interesting that Jesus says in that chapter:

"At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time."(Matthew 24:23-25)

The 'elect' there are the Christians. I think it's interesting for me personally that I will know that it's Christ when I see him - it says in that chapter (v. 27) For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of Christ be.
smotpoker86 : "I think it is possible and even likely that many people, Christians included, will not recognize that Jesus has returned."

I dunno, but I think it's interesting that Jesus says in that chapter:

"At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you ahead of time."(Matthew 24:23-25)

The 'elect' there are the Christians. I think it's interesting for me personally that I will know that it's Christ when I see him - it says in that chapter (v. 27) For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of Christ be.
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Oh, I'm fairly certain when He returns all will know it...regardless of where they are and what they are doing.  He created the world, and those pesky laws of physics are subservient to Him, not the other way around, so yeah, no problems there.  Besides, at His first appearance, He was the Suffering Servant...not all recognized Him because he was as one of us. That is key.  God became man.  His second coming, however, will be fundamentally different, and no one will mistake Him for anything other than what He is : God Incarnate, come to judge the living and the dead.

Just my two shekels worth.
Oh, I'm fairly certain when He returns all will know it...regardless of where they are and what they are doing.  He created the world, and those pesky laws of physics are subservient to Him, not the other way around, so yeah, no problems there.  Besides, at His first appearance, He was the Suffering Servant...not all recognized Him because he was as one of us. That is key.  God became man.  His second coming, however, will be fundamentally different, and no one will mistake Him for anything other than what He is : God Incarnate, come to judge the living and the dead.

Just my two shekels worth.
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The way I was taught was that all the saints will rise up, trumpets will sound... aannd there will certainly be a lot of destruction like car crashes, plane crashes (because the saints will just not be there doing the things that they were doing), etc.
I think the bible says that the devil will take over Earth and it will be Hell on earth for a 100 years and something else... (I need to look that part up again cuz it's starting to slip my memory lol- some1 correct me if i'm wrong).
But there will be lots of SIGNIFICANT events -like some the other peeps said- that will happen prior to this like the anti-Christ (the 666 thing), major wars, more natural disaster in
populated areas, etc. Just read Revelations and that should answer your Q.      

Tbh I'm reeaally hoping I die before it gets to that point but these events are beginning to happen now...
The way I was taught was that all the saints will rise up, trumpets will sound... aannd there will certainly be a lot of destruction like car crashes, plane crashes (because the saints will just not be there doing the things that they were doing), etc.
I think the bible says that the devil will take over Earth and it will be Hell on earth for a 100 years and something else... (I need to look that part up again cuz it's starting to slip my memory lol- some1 correct me if i'm wrong).
But there will be lots of SIGNIFICANT events -like some the other peeps said- that will happen prior to this like the anti-Christ (the 666 thing), major wars, more natural disaster in
populated areas, etc. Just read Revelations and that should answer your Q.      

Tbh I'm reeaally hoping I die before it gets to that point but these events are beginning to happen now...
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I dunno, if you believe you'll just know. I think you will feel it both spiritually and emotionally. It also happened to me in church one time. I dunno why but outta nowhere it made me start crying.
I dunno, if you believe you'll just know. I think you will feel it both spiritually and emotionally. It also happened to me in church one time. I dunno why but outta nowhere it made me start crying.
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In all honesty if he does return, which I do not believe he will.. Nobody will believe it and will think it is some guy dressed up in a Jesus costume trying to troll the world. 
In all honesty if he does return, which I do not believe he will.. Nobody will believe it and will think it is some guy dressed up in a Jesus costume trying to troll the world. 
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Unfortunately, I have to agree with those of Jewish faith on the matter of the 'Only Son of God.' While Yeshua of Nazareth (whom most of you would know as Jesus) was most definitely a real person that walked this planet a few thousand years ago, he was most definitely not the son of any god. He was a normal man, born to normal parents (no immaculate conception, sorry), and lead a normal life up until his late 20s, when he essentially began building the foundation of the Christian faith.

Despite my having lost confidence in all the major religions, I have still been extremely curious about the topic of religion and the way it affects people. This is easily my second favorite subject, next to linguistics. For that reason, I have spent a great deal of time studying and researching many aspects of numerous religions, even the odd or silly ones (I.E., Mormon, Scientology). One of the topics that has intrigued me the most is this strange and mystical man that everyone called 'Jesus'. 

Being a logical thinker, the idea that God had a son sounded out of place in the style of faith that we see in the Western Religions, almost as if someone had read a little too much Greek mythos and then incorporated it into a system of belief. Not satisfied with any answer I could ever glean from religious sources, I chose to do some research on my own, from a logical and historical point of view. For the benefit of the doubt, I will recite briefly what I feel is the true history of the man called Jesus.

First and foremost, it needs to be noted that the name Jesus, as I mentioned earlier, isn't this man's true name. 'Jesus' is a transliteration. His real name was Yeshua. How we came to call him Jesus can be explained thusly:

Yeshua is a Hebrew name which has been transliterated into Greek as Iesous. The English "Jesus" comes from the Latin transliteration of the Greek name into the Latin Iesus. Now Greek has no "y" sound, but the Latin "i" is both an "i" and a "j" (I.E., it can have a consonantal force in front of other vowels), the latter of which is properly pronounced like the English "y". That is why we spell Jesus as we do, taking it straight from Latin, but we pronounce the name with a soft "j" sound because that is what we do in English with the consonantal "j".

Some people even go as far as to claim that his full name was Yeshua Ben Yosef, but I won't touch on that for now. The point is, the true name of Jesus is Yeshua. For the sake of discussion, I would also like to point out that Yeshua can by translated roughly into the English name 'Joshua', so one could also refer to him as 'Joshua of Nazareth'. Not that I would. That would just be further diluting an already diluted name.

Now that I have that out of the way, I can continue. It can by historically proven that this man, Yeshua, did truly exist and was the founder of Christianity and, summarily, Catholicism. He was born in Nazareth, not in a manger in Bethlehem, into a Jewish family. His family did not leave for Egypt during the fall of King Herod. They remained in Galilee, where Yeshua and his father would have plied the family trade, widely accepted to have been carpentry.

From here, things get a bit hazy. There are some accounts that Yeshua as a child was a bit of a troubelmaker. I cannot confirm or deny the validity of these claims. I believe it is fairly clear that in his youth, even before he began is ministrations, Yeshua was religiously out-spoken and somewhat of a rabble rouser. Another clear fact is that Yeshua traveled abroad during this time. Namely, into India and Tibet. Here is where his life really begins to take shape. While traveling abroad in India and Tibet, Yeshua was exposed to Buddhist and Hindu teachings. These would have a marked effect on Yeshua, and would play an instrumental role in the rest of his life.

For, you see, I surmise that Yeshua's reason for traveling abroad was disillusionment with the Jewish faith. Perhaps not satisfied with the answers the Jewish faith had to offer, he chose to travel in search of further enlightenment. This is strictly presumption on my part, however, based on facts and logic. The point is, he went to those regions and learned about these teachings. He then incorporated Buddhist and Hindu philosophy into the Jewish faith to form his own person set of beliefs. This was the foundation on which Christianity was built.

Upon returning to Galilee, Yeshua would begin his ministrations. For, in reality, Yeshua was a religious reformist. He was attempting to blend the Eastern philosophies he had encountered with his Jewish faith. At first, his ideals were largely rejected, but they would eventually catch on. He acquired a sizable following, most of whom would travel him for town to town, as he attempted to spread his teachings. In the end, however, he drew the attention of the religious leaders in Rome, who would label him a heretic and call for his death. The rest is largely how we know it today. Yeshua was arrested and crucified for his supposed crimes and for spreading heresy. The largely Pagan Roman Empire and the Jewish leaders of Judea co-conspired to carry out the execution of Yeshua the 'Heretic'.

While Yeshua was most definitely not the 'Son of God', he was a very important person the human history. One of the most important, as a matter of fact. He tried to use the philosophy on unity and inner peace to help temper the furor of religious hatred that, even to this day, still boils tempestuously over us all. That is the mark of a great man. It is not, however, the mark of a man who will someday return to this planet in order to bring us Salvation. That is something that can only happen in fairy tales. That simply isn't the way this world works. There will be no Second Coming, there will be no trumpets blasting in the air. No angels are going to descend upon us and take the righteous to the Promised Land. These are all empty promises made to give people something to look forward to once their life ends. But that is a matter for another time.
Unfortunately, I have to agree with those of Jewish faith on the matter of the 'Only Son of God.' While Yeshua of Nazareth (whom most of you would know as Jesus) was most definitely a real person that walked this planet a few thousand years ago, he was most definitely not the son of any god. He was a normal man, born to normal parents (no immaculate conception, sorry), and lead a normal life up until his late 20s, when he essentially began building the foundation of the Christian faith.

Despite my having lost confidence in all the major religions, I have still been extremely curious about the topic of religion and the way it affects people. This is easily my second favorite subject, next to linguistics. For that reason, I have spent a great deal of time studying and researching many aspects of numerous religions, even the odd or silly ones (I.E., Mormon, Scientology). One of the topics that has intrigued me the most is this strange and mystical man that everyone called 'Jesus'. 

Being a logical thinker, the idea that God had a son sounded out of place in the style of faith that we see in the Western Religions, almost as if someone had read a little too much Greek mythos and then incorporated it into a system of belief. Not satisfied with any answer I could ever glean from religious sources, I chose to do some research on my own, from a logical and historical point of view. For the benefit of the doubt, I will recite briefly what I feel is the true history of the man called Jesus.

First and foremost, it needs to be noted that the name Jesus, as I mentioned earlier, isn't this man's true name. 'Jesus' is a transliteration. His real name was Yeshua. How we came to call him Jesus can be explained thusly:

Yeshua is a Hebrew name which has been transliterated into Greek as Iesous. The English "Jesus" comes from the Latin transliteration of the Greek name into the Latin Iesus. Now Greek has no "y" sound, but the Latin "i" is both an "i" and a "j" (I.E., it can have a consonantal force in front of other vowels), the latter of which is properly pronounced like the English "y". That is why we spell Jesus as we do, taking it straight from Latin, but we pronounce the name with a soft "j" sound because that is what we do in English with the consonantal "j".

Some people even go as far as to claim that his full name was Yeshua Ben Yosef, but I won't touch on that for now. The point is, the true name of Jesus is Yeshua. For the sake of discussion, I would also like to point out that Yeshua can by translated roughly into the English name 'Joshua', so one could also refer to him as 'Joshua of Nazareth'. Not that I would. That would just be further diluting an already diluted name.

Now that I have that out of the way, I can continue. It can by historically proven that this man, Yeshua, did truly exist and was the founder of Christianity and, summarily, Catholicism. He was born in Nazareth, not in a manger in Bethlehem, into a Jewish family. His family did not leave for Egypt during the fall of King Herod. They remained in Galilee, where Yeshua and his father would have plied the family trade, widely accepted to have been carpentry.

From here, things get a bit hazy. There are some accounts that Yeshua as a child was a bit of a troubelmaker. I cannot confirm or deny the validity of these claims. I believe it is fairly clear that in his youth, even before he began is ministrations, Yeshua was religiously out-spoken and somewhat of a rabble rouser. Another clear fact is that Yeshua traveled abroad during this time. Namely, into India and Tibet. Here is where his life really begins to take shape. While traveling abroad in India and Tibet, Yeshua was exposed to Buddhist and Hindu teachings. These would have a marked effect on Yeshua, and would play an instrumental role in the rest of his life.

For, you see, I surmise that Yeshua's reason for traveling abroad was disillusionment with the Jewish faith. Perhaps not satisfied with the answers the Jewish faith had to offer, he chose to travel in search of further enlightenment. This is strictly presumption on my part, however, based on facts and logic. The point is, he went to those regions and learned about these teachings. He then incorporated Buddhist and Hindu philosophy into the Jewish faith to form his own person set of beliefs. This was the foundation on which Christianity was built.

Upon returning to Galilee, Yeshua would begin his ministrations. For, in reality, Yeshua was a religious reformist. He was attempting to blend the Eastern philosophies he had encountered with his Jewish faith. At first, his ideals were largely rejected, but they would eventually catch on. He acquired a sizable following, most of whom would travel him for town to town, as he attempted to spread his teachings. In the end, however, he drew the attention of the religious leaders in Rome, who would label him a heretic and call for his death. The rest is largely how we know it today. Yeshua was arrested and crucified for his supposed crimes and for spreading heresy. The largely Pagan Roman Empire and the Jewish leaders of Judea co-conspired to carry out the execution of Yeshua the 'Heretic'.

While Yeshua was most definitely not the 'Son of God', he was a very important person the human history. One of the most important, as a matter of fact. He tried to use the philosophy on unity and inner peace to help temper the furor of religious hatred that, even to this day, still boils tempestuously over us all. That is the mark of a great man. It is not, however, the mark of a man who will someday return to this planet in order to bring us Salvation. That is something that can only happen in fairy tales. That simply isn't the way this world works. There will be no Second Coming, there will be no trumpets blasting in the air. No angels are going to descend upon us and take the righteous to the Promised Land. These are all empty promises made to give people something to look forward to once their life ends. But that is a matter for another time.
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warmaker :   You'd have to read the book The Revelation.  It explains the signs, but only God the Father knows when Christ shall return.
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It is still unclear what exactly happens when Jesus returns. In fact, it is still a wide debate on how to interpret the events that were described in the Book of Revelation (figurative, literal, pre-millennium, post-millennium, etc). One thing is for sure, is that when Jesus returns, He will be back victorious and everyone will know it.

PoorSmeagol83 : Ridiculous post...not only did it sway away from what the main topic is discussing, but also about 3/4 of the post is made of inaccurate claims that are not credible at all. This is my first time hearing the stuff that you wrote, and when I did a quick search, the main people who promoted this are part of the new age movement.
It is still unclear what exactly happens when Jesus returns. In fact, it is still a wide debate on how to interpret the events that were described in the Book of Revelation (figurative, literal, pre-millennium, post-millennium, etc). One thing is for sure, is that when Jesus returns, He will be back victorious and everyone will know it.

PoorSmeagol83 : Ridiculous post...not only did it sway away from what the main topic is discussing, but also about 3/4 of the post is made of inaccurate claims that are not credible at all. This is my first time hearing the stuff that you wrote, and when I did a quick search, the main people who promoted this are part of the new age movement.
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play4fun : How does it sway away from the main discussion? The original poster asks 'How can I know if Jesus returns.' I answer by stating there is no possibility that he will ever 'return', as he was not the Son of God. He was just a mortal man with very good ideals, no magical powers or properties. Therefore, it is logically impossible that the man you call 'Jesus' will ever return in any way, shape, or form. I then cited historical and logical facts, along with some speculation, as to why this was the case. If you would like me to give a more direct answer, then I can oblige:

You will know that Jesus has returned when unicorns fly through the sky on the backs of dragons, and Bigfoot and the moth man drink Panacea in Atlantis.

Does this satisfy? I hope it does, because I really didn't want to make such an insulting allusion. You forced my hand, sadly.

Now. As for as my claims being inaccurate or lacking credibility, I am sorry to say that you are mistaken. Just because you hadn't heard of something before doesn't make it automatically false. To belabor under such an assumption would be asinine. Three quarters of what I said are historical facts. They can be proven and substantiated by certain historical documents littered throughout the world. The easiest one for you to research and confirm is the origin of how Yeshua came to be known as Jesus. The fact that the name Jesus is a transliteration is a well known and widely accepted fact, even among many people of faith. I urge you to look this up or, if you do not wish to do the research, find I respected practitioner of your faith and mention the name Yeshua to him.

There is also historical documentation located in India and it's surrounding areas that proves Yeshua spent considerable time in this region. It even says in the Bible that he traveled abroad for a time, albeit the Bible gets the chronology of these travels incorrect. His travels occurred before he began the bulk of his ministrations, not during. It is also a fact that Yeshua was at the very least exposed to the Buddhist and Hindu philosophies, if not actually practice them. If you compare Yeshua's teachings to Buddhist ideals, you will notice how remarkably similar they are. This is no coincidence.

In the end, I really do not expect any person of faith to ever take claims such as these seriously. As they go against everything you were taught, it is understandable that these views would be hard to swallow. When I express my views on life and religion, all I am intending to do is reveal a new way of thinking to those that cake to listen. I have no interest in affecting how any other person feels or believes. Every person has a preferred method of coping with the great mysteries of life. For some, blind faith works. For those like me, a more logical approach is desired. I have spent the last twelve years of my life researching numerous topics of interest and then applying any findings to my overall philosophy. This is the manner that works best for me.
play4fun : How does it sway away from the main discussion? The original poster asks 'How can I know if Jesus returns.' I answer by stating there is no possibility that he will ever 'return', as he was not the Son of God. He was just a mortal man with very good ideals, no magical powers or properties. Therefore, it is logically impossible that the man you call 'Jesus' will ever return in any way, shape, or form. I then cited historical and logical facts, along with some speculation, as to why this was the case. If you would like me to give a more direct answer, then I can oblige:

You will know that Jesus has returned when unicorns fly through the sky on the backs of dragons, and Bigfoot and the moth man drink Panacea in Atlantis.

Does this satisfy? I hope it does, because I really didn't want to make such an insulting allusion. You forced my hand, sadly.

Now. As for as my claims being inaccurate or lacking credibility, I am sorry to say that you are mistaken. Just because you hadn't heard of something before doesn't make it automatically false. To belabor under such an assumption would be asinine. Three quarters of what I said are historical facts. They can be proven and substantiated by certain historical documents littered throughout the world. The easiest one for you to research and confirm is the origin of how Yeshua came to be known as Jesus. The fact that the name Jesus is a transliteration is a well known and widely accepted fact, even among many people of faith. I urge you to look this up or, if you do not wish to do the research, find I respected practitioner of your faith and mention the name Yeshua to him.

There is also historical documentation located in India and it's surrounding areas that proves Yeshua spent considerable time in this region. It even says in the Bible that he traveled abroad for a time, albeit the Bible gets the chronology of these travels incorrect. His travels occurred before he began the bulk of his ministrations, not during. It is also a fact that Yeshua was at the very least exposed to the Buddhist and Hindu philosophies, if not actually practice them. If you compare Yeshua's teachings to Buddhist ideals, you will notice how remarkably similar they are. This is no coincidence.

In the end, I really do not expect any person of faith to ever take claims such as these seriously. As they go against everything you were taught, it is understandable that these views would be hard to swallow. When I express my views on life and religion, all I am intending to do is reveal a new way of thinking to those that cake to listen. I have no interest in affecting how any other person feels or believes. Every person has a preferred method of coping with the great mysteries of life. For some, blind faith works. For those like me, a more logical approach is desired. I have spent the last twelve years of my life researching numerous topics of interest and then applying any findings to my overall philosophy. This is the manner that works best for me.
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PoorSmeagol83 : How does it sway away from the main discussion? The original poster asks 'How can I know if Jesus returns.' I answer by stating there is no possibility that he will ever 'return', as he was not the Son of God.
Right, and you could have just ended right there, saying that you don't believe that Jesus was the Son of God, which is why you don't believe Jesus will return. Instead, you went on for the next 7-8 paragraphs talking about something that is completely irrelevant to the thread. It's not like people are going to be shocked in disbelief if you said "I don't believe he will return" If there is a thread that talks about "whether Jesus went to India", then it would be relevant to go into such detail there.

If you would like me to give a more direct answer, then I can oblige:

You will know that Jesus has returned when unicorns fly through the sky on the backs of dragons, and Bigfoot and the moth man drink Panacea in Atlantis.

Does this satisfy? I hope it does, because I really didn't want to make such an insulting allusion. You forced my hand, sadly.

No one forced your hand, you chose to respond like that. (Also, that statement was a less direct answer than your original. You don't even believe the stuff that you say in that statement. It could have easily been avoided)

Now. As for as my claims being inaccurate or lacking credibility, I am sorry to say that you are mistaken. Just because you hadn't heard of something before doesn't make it automatically false.
True, which is why I went to look it up after seeing this, and I found that the people who talked about this and accepted this are new agers (Hare Krishna, The Aquarian Christine Church Universal), conspiracy theorists, The Ahmadiyya Movement (which orthodox Muslims deemed this group to be heretics), etc, etc. I don't see what you are basing to think that the claims are credible (unless you consider these groups to be credible, then I'll just stop talking about the credibility issue). I don't see any scholars, historians or a group of these with good reputation that would support this. Citation of any historical documents, peer review, or quotations from scholars of good reputation would be needed to show where I can find the credible evidence.

"The fact that the name Jesus is a transliteration is a well known and widely accepted fact, even among many people of faith."
I never disagreed about this fact. This is the 25% of your post that is true.

"There is also historical documentation located in India and it's surrounding areas that proves Yeshua spent considerable time in this region."(Citation? According to what document?) "It even says in the Bible that he traveled abroad for a time,"(Citation?) "albeit the Bible gets the chronology of these travels incorrect. His travels occurred before he began the bulk of his ministrations, not during." (Citation?) It is also a fact that Yeshua was at the very least exposed to the Buddhist and Hindu philosophies, if not actually practice them.(Citation?) If you compare Yeshua's teachings to Buddhist ideals, you will notice how remarkably similar they are. This is no coincidence. Well, you can say that for anything, finding similarities between two different things. However, when you get down to the main core beliefs, they still fall short. There is a good reason why these two are considered to be exclusively separate religions. There is a good reason why when someone is converted from either one to the other, they don't consider it to be "oh, it's just the same values", but a change.

In the end, I really do not expect any person of faith to ever take claims such as these seriously. As they go against everything you were taught, it is understandable that these views would be hard to swallow.
Actually, you'll find that those who study the Bible would feel that way already because of the way that it convicts the heart and it gets real with the person. Many things in the Bible would and should be considered hard to swallow for the believer, no matter how many times you read it, compared to how some children Bible class are done: dumbed down and sometimes counterproductive through filtering. Honest people will take you seriously if you show what is true.

When I express my views on life and religion, all I am intending to do is reveal a new way of thinking to those that cake to listen. I have no interest in affecting how any other person feels or believes. Every person has a preferred method of coping with the great mysteries of life. For some, blind faith works. For those like me, a more logical approach is desired. I have spent the last twelve years of my life researching numerous topics of interest and then applying any findings to my overall philosophy. This is the manner that works best for me.
I have nothing against you doing research and applying it to your life. It's reasonable. I am merely correcting you on what you are basing your research from, that there are crucial reasons why I find what you said to be nonfactual and ridiculous. If you truly think what you say is true, just back it up with what are the documents that you are referring to. Just because you researched for 12 years doesn't mean that what you find or the methods of your research is correct. I would also caution the way that you are only researching topics of interest. You make it sound like you are only researching for something that suits you or for something that you would like to hear, and not looking for the truth.
PoorSmeagol83 : How does it sway away from the main discussion? The original poster asks 'How can I know if Jesus returns.' I answer by stating there is no possibility that he will ever 'return', as he was not the Son of God.
Right, and you could have just ended right there, saying that you don't believe that Jesus was the Son of God, which is why you don't believe Jesus will return. Instead, you went on for the next 7-8 paragraphs talking about something that is completely irrelevant to the thread. It's not like people are going to be shocked in disbelief if you said "I don't believe he will return" If there is a thread that talks about "whether Jesus went to India", then it would be relevant to go into such detail there.

If you would like me to give a more direct answer, then I can oblige:

You will know that Jesus has returned when unicorns fly through the sky on the backs of dragons, and Bigfoot and the moth man drink Panacea in Atlantis.

Does this satisfy? I hope it does, because I really didn't want to make such an insulting allusion. You forced my hand, sadly.

No one forced your hand, you chose to respond like that. (Also, that statement was a less direct answer than your original. You don't even believe the stuff that you say in that statement. It could have easily been avoided)

Now. As for as my claims being inaccurate or lacking credibility, I am sorry to say that you are mistaken. Just because you hadn't heard of something before doesn't make it automatically false.
True, which is why I went to look it up after seeing this, and I found that the people who talked about this and accepted this are new agers (Hare Krishna, The Aquarian Christine Church Universal), conspiracy theorists, The Ahmadiyya Movement (which orthodox Muslims deemed this group to be heretics), etc, etc. I don't see what you are basing to think that the claims are credible (unless you consider these groups to be credible, then I'll just stop talking about the credibility issue). I don't see any scholars, historians or a group of these with good reputation that would support this. Citation of any historical documents, peer review, or quotations from scholars of good reputation would be needed to show where I can find the credible evidence.

"The fact that the name Jesus is a transliteration is a well known and widely accepted fact, even among many people of faith."
I never disagreed about this fact. This is the 25% of your post that is true.

"There is also historical documentation located in India and it's surrounding areas that proves Yeshua spent considerable time in this region."(Citation? According to what document?) "It even says in the Bible that he traveled abroad for a time,"(Citation?) "albeit the Bible gets the chronology of these travels incorrect. His travels occurred before he began the bulk of his ministrations, not during." (Citation?) It is also a fact that Yeshua was at the very least exposed to the Buddhist and Hindu philosophies, if not actually practice them.(Citation?) If you compare Yeshua's teachings to Buddhist ideals, you will notice how remarkably similar they are. This is no coincidence. Well, you can say that for anything, finding similarities between two different things. However, when you get down to the main core beliefs, they still fall short. There is a good reason why these two are considered to be exclusively separate religions. There is a good reason why when someone is converted from either one to the other, they don't consider it to be "oh, it's just the same values", but a change.

In the end, I really do not expect any person of faith to ever take claims such as these seriously. As they go against everything you were taught, it is understandable that these views would be hard to swallow.
Actually, you'll find that those who study the Bible would feel that way already because of the way that it convicts the heart and it gets real with the person. Many things in the Bible would and should be considered hard to swallow for the believer, no matter how many times you read it, compared to how some children Bible class are done: dumbed down and sometimes counterproductive through filtering. Honest people will take you seriously if you show what is true.

When I express my views on life and religion, all I am intending to do is reveal a new way of thinking to those that cake to listen. I have no interest in affecting how any other person feels or believes. Every person has a preferred method of coping with the great mysteries of life. For some, blind faith works. For those like me, a more logical approach is desired. I have spent the last twelve years of my life researching numerous topics of interest and then applying any findings to my overall philosophy. This is the manner that works best for me.
I have nothing against you doing research and applying it to your life. It's reasonable. I am merely correcting you on what you are basing your research from, that there are crucial reasons why I find what you said to be nonfactual and ridiculous. If you truly think what you say is true, just back it up with what are the documents that you are referring to. Just because you researched for 12 years doesn't mean that what you find or the methods of your research is correct. I would also caution the way that you are only researching topics of interest. You make it sound like you are only researching for something that suits you or for something that you would like to hear, and not looking for the truth.
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play4fun : I am afraid I am going to need a little time to compile the information for which you ask. I have a lot on my plate this week, what with my family reUNION being this Saturday and me spending most of my time catching up with people I only get to see once a year. That means I won't have enough time to gather the necessary data and also provide a suitable answer for some of your other concerns. Give me a week or two, and I will post everything I can find here for you and everyone else to read and judge as you see fit. I apologize that I must make you wait, but spending time with my family is of the utmost importance to me.
play4fun : I am afraid I am going to need a little time to compile the information for which you ask. I have a lot on my plate this week, what with my family reUNION being this Saturday and me spending most of my time catching up with people I only get to see once a year. That means I won't have enough time to gather the necessary data and also provide a suitable answer for some of your other concerns. Give me a week or two, and I will post everything I can find here for you and everyone else to read and judge as you see fit. I apologize that I must make you wait, but spending time with my family is of the utmost importance to me.
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