Then you guys also have to consider the red rings of death, it's a manufacturing flaw and who knows when it will be fixed.

Yeah but you can just send it back and get it repaired. When they repair it, I'm pretty sure they guarantee it can't happen again. And I think the newer models don't have that problem, I'm not sure though.

Well I believe Matt Cass. on IGN posted that he had been through at least 3 (though I think it's 5) and there were numerous others that said the same thing.

Plus you have to be without your system for a couple of weeks to a month. I wouldn't be happy if I paid $300 and had that happen (or more depending on which system and when you got it)

I can't disagree with this, that would be pretty frusterating to have to send back an XBox 360 system that you were excited to play. I'm pretty sure the newer models are a lot less likely to have the problem, I haven't had any problems at all with mine yet and got mine in December.

Playstation 2 was the same way though, the first few banches were just crap. I remember my dad went thru 2 or 3 PS2's in the first few months of it being released.

Last I heard it wasn't fixed.

The problem is with lack of cooling behind the motherboard, this causes it to heat up and bend, twisting it, breaking some connections.

It can be fixed by placing some special sylicon between the back of the motherboard and the case, this then turns your case into a heatsync.

You can also get a 3rd party fan attachment thing (might be an official thing.. not sure). Neojazex has one, plugs into the power socket on the 360, then the power cable plugs into that. Sorta like piggy backing.

Yeah, but that would probably void your warranty since it alters the way the power goes into it.

Plus you shouldn't have to do something like that for a system you are paying that much for.

I'd rather have good games and a manufacturing flaw than have a massively bulky system that has no games and has no manufacturing flaws.


XBOX360 has good games but sometimes breaks.
PS3 has no good games, therefore doesn't do anything to have it break.

lol, I like your theory .

Vash, Thats what all the techs who fix your bricked xbox's cant figure out, its a small price, yet MS seems to have never had this problem with there xbox's during testing.

MS wouldnt know the fan was plugged in, so you could just lie about it. But as for the silicon thing, that would probably void your warrenty, UNLESS it was fitted by someone licenced by MS or something.

@iBOCK: Your breaking my heart iBOCK. Can't you at least say many/few. I'm sure if you looked there would be at least one PS3 exclusive you would like. (I know some Xbox games I would sure like to have)

@BigBob: There is no excuse such as free repair or similar when so many of your consoles break. (I know that PS2 did this too but there's no excuse for them either)

Bob again I say, you shouldn't have to pay anything more for your system to work correctly after paying $300 plus.

iBock, sorry man, but you are flatout wrong here. Uncharted is a very good game, MGS4 just came out. Several very good looking RPGs come out next year including FF XIII. Then of course you already have the non exclusives. Bioshock will be coming in the fall.

Heavenly Sword is a pretty sweet game. You've also got GT 5 coming out. Little Big Planet this fall. Socom looks promising for people that like the genre. Fallout 3 though not my type of game looks interesting. Infamous sounds very cool, time will tell on that one.

Rachet and Clank is another good game. Warhawk is awesome. Folklore, though not my type of game is very cool.

There are more, but I will have to look through the list to remember. Plus iBock, what good are games if your system breaks?

Yeh, no excueses, but still. Why didnt they find the problem, maybe all the testing in an airconditioned, dust free, filtered air building caused them not to brick there box's..

After neojazex got the extra fan, his never had a problem with it.

No Bob they found the problem then went to the bubbles. That's the only way.

Xbox has a 3 year warranty for the overheating problem, and as of right now the problem is fixed, they moved too a smaller die on their proc and changed several components. Not too mention the optical drives keep getting quieter, which is a big plus.

hope no americans voted ps3 they be dumb fked if they supported a foreign company over there own. bad for economy to supporting foreign companys.

*pops his cork*

Hold up, hold up, hold up.

WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT THE PS3 IS BETTER THAN THE X-BOX.

That is a biased opinion if i have ever seen one.

Now let me elaborate.

Vash, you say that the PS3 is "getting better" with its online updates and other stuff. That means that ITS BAD NOW. Or has been bad in the rescent past. We're talking about which is better, not which would be better if it didn't suck.

Blue Ray, wow. David already knows how i feel about such subjects. It doesn't make the system. Like previously stated, over technology use.

Here is one of the bigest things for me: THE CONTROLER. Microsoft did a great job putting a controller together with more buttons, but not making it complicated. It greatly inhances game play.

The 360 has better games hands down. Granted there are some PS3 only games which are pretty damn good, but overall the 360 cleans house. The release smash hit after smash hit. I played a bunch of COD4(Call of Duty 4) in college last semester on 360... awasome. I also played it on my PC. The 360 nailed it on the head with online mode.

Look, vash... I know you love your PS3. But there is a point in time when you just have to throw in the towel and accept something. I think this is one of those times.

Uh no John, I didn't say it's online components are bad. Just that they aren't quite up to XBL. And why in the world do you cite a multiplatform game?

PS3 and 360 have 4 face and 4 shoulder buttons. How does it have more buttons?

Edit: And the online stuff I"m talking about isn't in game, but out of game stuff. COD4 functions perfectly online. Saw it the other night myself.

What you are forgetting vash is the two usable buttons when you press in the joysticks.

I cited COD4 to point out its supperiority to other systems.

PS3 has joystick buttons too.

And yes my opinion is biased towards the (J-)RPG games.

*hangs head in noobish shame*

I didn't know they added those.