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10-13-11 11:46 AM
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AuraBlaze : nothing is set in stone yet. This was a temporary fix to stem the abuses that we've seen of the system. By no means is it a fix.

And the new system has not been decided on. I'm simply throwing out ideas of things that could help fix the system.

Something else I thought of was: maybe you could earn 1 point per 1,000 posts you make on the board. I realize this sounds like a lot but considering how fast people hit 1,000 it seems like a fair thing. It would allow some people to gain trusted member status through more than just "popularity" with staff or other trusted members.

That would also change it from being simply in the hands of the other members who can rate.

I wonder what else we could do to offer trust points in this sort of a way.
AuraBlaze : nothing is set in stone yet. This was a temporary fix to stem the abuses that we've seen of the system. By no means is it a fix.

And the new system has not been decided on. I'm simply throwing out ideas of things that could help fix the system.

Something else I thought of was: maybe you could earn 1 point per 1,000 posts you make on the board. I realize this sounds like a lot but considering how fast people hit 1,000 it seems like a fair thing. It would allow some people to gain trusted member status through more than just "popularity" with staff or other trusted members.

That would also change it from being simply in the hands of the other members who can rate.

I wonder what else we could do to offer trust points in this sort of a way.
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i did actually think of that(points for posting) but that should only really be if its decent posts.
then again, i suppose most spammers dont get to 1000 but its possible.
You could have it so that If you logged in so many times in a year(say over half of the days) you could get a point on your birthday.A mod gets a notification say, 5 days before, and can either approve or disaprovethe point depending on who it is?  So it would be commitment to vizzed.  Obviously if they had like, 5 posts the mods could decided not to allow the point.
I think donating should be worth a trust point if you give say, $50 or something?
edit: but when donating you should only get a point for that once a month, otherwise people could (however unlikely) split donations to get more points.
That could get vizzed a ot more funding, and if the person dosent deserve the points, simple enough someone will rate them down, you need like 10 to give any(right now anyway) so they cant go wild giving other points to people beforehand.
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i did actually think of that(points for posting) but that should only really be if its decent posts.
then again, i suppose most spammers dont get to 1000 but its possible.
You could have it so that If you logged in so many times in a year(say over half of the days) you could get a point on your birthday.A mod gets a notification say, 5 days before, and can either approve or disaprovethe point depending on who it is?  So it would be commitment to vizzed.  Obviously if they had like, 5 posts the mods could decided not to allow the point.
I think donating should be worth a trust point if you give say, $50 or something?
edit: but when donating you should only get a point for that once a month, otherwise people could (however unlikely) split donations to get more points.
That could get vizzed a ot more funding, and if the person dosent deserve the points, simple enough someone will rate them down, you need like 10 to give any(right now anyway) so they cant go wild giving other points to people beforehand.
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thenumberone : that's why I picked 1,000. Plus, it's only 1 point per 1,000 posts. If they're bad members they will likely get rated down so the points won't matter anyway. But it does give incentive for people to post for other reasons.


And donating could be another way to get points. Maybe a point per 10 or 25.... You'd still have to donate $100 minimum to get "insta-trusted". And even then the staff would have more than enough power to remove that person from trusted status if they wanted to.

this would be the voting power structure that I would be for if we went to this sort of a system:

Trusted +/- 1
Elite +/- 2
"Site" +/- 3
Local +/- 5
Global +/- 7
Admin +/- 10
Owner +/- whatever he wants

you can see that the power for giving or taking points would still lie heavily with the locals/globals/admin. The globals alone could put someone up or down by 21 points.... plus 50-ish from the locals.
thenumberone : that's why I picked 1,000. Plus, it's only 1 point per 1,000 posts. If they're bad members they will likely get rated down so the points won't matter anyway. But it does give incentive for people to post for other reasons.


And donating could be another way to get points. Maybe a point per 10 or 25.... You'd still have to donate $100 minimum to get "insta-trusted". And even then the staff would have more than enough power to remove that person from trusted status if they wanted to.

this would be the voting power structure that I would be for if we went to this sort of a system:

Trusted +/- 1
Elite +/- 2
"Site" +/- 3
Local +/- 5
Global +/- 7
Admin +/- 10
Owner +/- whatever he wants

you can see that the power for giving or taking points would still lie heavily with the locals/globals/admin. The globals alone could put someone up or down by 21 points.... plus 50-ish from the locals.
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ok thats a good point actually, in fact i used the same logic in my comment so yeh, if they get a point and dont deserve it then it could easily be removed.

so from   "10 or 25.... You'd still have to donate $100 minimum to get "insta-trusted" " im assuming, for the moment, the envisaged future system will still use the reuirement of 10 points?

and i take it "Site" +/- 3
is site staff?like rgr reviewer, screenshot adder etc?

so from that, all of those listed above(apart from trusted obviously, there wont initialy be any) would start from a minimum of 10 points?

i suppose once the system is restarted it will make it pretty easy to monitor trusted members because there should, even after a "FEW" years, be less than say, 120?  Or what?  how many trusted members do you invisage?im just curious what youd regard as acceptable.  Lets say a year today, how many do you expect to see, to regard the new system as acceptable?

edit:when people become staff after this is implemented will they still have o points(or how ever many they had) or will they be brought up to 10?
ok thats a good point actually, in fact i used the same logic in my comment so yeh, if they get a point and dont deserve it then it could easily be removed.

so from   "10 or 25.... You'd still have to donate $100 minimum to get "insta-trusted" " im assuming, for the moment, the envisaged future system will still use the reuirement of 10 points?

and i take it "Site" +/- 3
is site staff?like rgr reviewer, screenshot adder etc?

so from that, all of those listed above(apart from trusted obviously, there wont initialy be any) would start from a minimum of 10 points?

i suppose once the system is restarted it will make it pretty easy to monitor trusted members because there should, even after a "FEW" years, be less than say, 120?  Or what?  how many trusted members do you invisage?im just curious what youd regard as acceptable.  Lets say a year today, how many do you expect to see, to regard the new system as acceptable?

edit:when people become staff after this is implemented will they still have o points(or how ever many they had) or will they be brought up to 10?
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staff don't need trust points to see the underground and such.... so that wouldn't be needed.

And yes, all the other questions were correct
staff don't need trust points to see the underground and such.... so that wouldn't be needed.

And yes, all the other questions were correct
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just had a thought....

Trusted +/- 1
"Site" +/- 2
Elite +/- 3
Local +/- 5
Global +/- 7
Admin +/- 10
Owner +/- whatever he wants

I think that would be better for how many points people can give out.

I know that many of the site staff have been added within weeks of joining the site. David is willing to let anyone who wants to help have a position in the RGR....

Vizzed Elite are made up of former staff and other very, VERY dedicated members to the site. They really deserve more voting power than site staff, in my opinion
just had a thought....

Trusted +/- 1
"Site" +/- 2
Elite +/- 3
Local +/- 5
Global +/- 7
Admin +/- 10
Owner +/- whatever he wants

I think that would be better for how many points people can give out.

I know that many of the site staff have been added within weeks of joining the site. David is willing to let anyone who wants to help have a position in the RGR....

Vizzed Elite are made up of former staff and other very, VERY dedicated members to the site. They really deserve more voting power than site staff, in my opinion
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I think the new rating idea is a really good idea.
I think the new rating idea is a really good idea.
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mike345 : well, part of why I'm posting so much in this forum is to try and get as many ideas on the table and to get reactions from people about them. The trust point system affects pretty much everyone that posts on the board so I'd like it to be as fair as possible without also being a burden.

Hopefully by getting as many opinions and options for it as possible we can design a system that will be abused as little as possible. It's unfortunate that instead of the member policing the system themselves they've put staff in a position where we've got to make drastic changes instead.
mike345 : well, part of why I'm posting so much in this forum is to try and get as many ideas on the table and to get reactions from people about them. The trust point system affects pretty much everyone that posts on the board so I'd like it to be as fair as possible without also being a burden.

Hopefully by getting as many opinions and options for it as possible we can design a system that will be abused as little as possible. It's unfortunate that instead of the member policing the system themselves they've put staff in a position where we've got to make drastic changes instead.
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Maybe now not so many people won't abuse the trust point system, but a better system would be nice.  Still, this one better is the original one.
Maybe now not so many people won't abuse the trust point system, but a better system would be nice.  Still, this one better is the original one.
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I know I already said this, but I really like this idea where power rests in rank rather than in points themselves. The only thing I want to ask, about your suggested system, is concernig the power for Elites. I agree that the Elites should have more power than the Site Staff, but what about Elites having more voting power than locals? Just curious.
I know I already said this, but I really like this idea where power rests in rank rather than in points themselves. The only thing I want to ask, about your suggested system, is concernig the power for Elites. I agree that the Elites should have more power than the Site Staff, but what about Elites having more voting power than locals? Just curious.
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AuraBlaze : the reason I put them below the locals is because the locals are active and much more involved in day to day stuff around here. They know the general membership better than the Elites do. That's the main reason.
AuraBlaze : the reason I put them below the locals is because the locals are active and much more involved in day to day stuff around here. They know the general membership better than the Elites do. That's the main reason.
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I think that is a fair plan.

It really wouldn't change to much from a local point of view really.

I especially like the part about getting trust points per 1000 posts
I think that is a fair plan.

It really wouldn't change to much from a local point of view really.

I especially like the part about getting trust points per 1000 posts
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So if it is not permanent, how long will the (new) trust system last? :o

It seems like it will reduce on a lot of spam caused by certain players lol.
So if it is not permanent, how long will the (new) trust system last? :o

It seems like it will reduce on a lot of spam caused by certain players lol.
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Poliwag : I'm not sure how long this change will last. Depends a lot on how high of a priority David puts on updating the trusted point system. I imagine he wants it updated but he also has a pretty big feature coming out in the very near future that he just announced so until that's up and running I doubt any more changes will be made to the trust points until then.
Poliwag : I'm not sure how long this change will last. Depends a lot on how high of a priority David puts on updating the trusted point system. I imagine he wants it updated but he also has a pretty big feature coming out in the very near future that he just announced so until that's up and running I doubt any more changes will be made to the trust points until then.
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That +1 TP per 1000 posts is an interesting idea. At least now the trust points aren't as easily earned. The TP counts as applied to powerlevel is also a creative idea. Now people will be more encouraged to be active, "dedicated members".
That +1 TP per 1000 posts is an interesting idea. At least now the trust points aren't as easily earned. The TP counts as applied to powerlevel is also a creative idea. Now people will be more encouraged to be active, "dedicated members".
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I sort of dislike the idea of get TP on the basis of the number of posts you make. Obviously this could be in part due to the fact that I post relatively rarely; but disregarding that, I think if you give TP based on number of posts you could be ignoring the quality of those posts. Of course a person who gets to 1000 posts probably isn't a full-on spammer, but that doesn't mean their posts are up to snuff. Vizzed has seen several cases of part-time trolls and spammers who can post with the best of them, but were ultimately detrimental to the site. Users like Didowe and JMC would have had a fairly high TP count by that system, but the old TP system was probably a better predictor of their value to the site, in my opinion.
I guess I would prefer the system where voting is based on ranks, but in all honesty I'm not sure there is any way to make the system even close to perfect. =/
I sort of dislike the idea of get TP on the basis of the number of posts you make. Obviously this could be in part due to the fact that I post relatively rarely; but disregarding that, I think if you give TP based on number of posts you could be ignoring the quality of those posts. Of course a person who gets to 1000 posts probably isn't a full-on spammer, but that doesn't mean their posts are up to snuff. Vizzed has seen several cases of part-time trolls and spammers who can post with the best of them, but were ultimately detrimental to the site. Users like Didowe and JMC would have had a fairly high TP count by that system, but the old TP system was probably a better predictor of their value to the site, in my opinion.
I guess I would prefer the system where voting is based on ranks, but in all honesty I'm not sure there is any way to make the system even close to perfect. =/
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Morsalbus : but if you get points by being a spammer it doesn't mean you'll be a trusted member. If no one else voted for you it would take 10,000 posts in order to get trusted. And that is assuming you don't get voted down in the process.

In order to make 10,000 posts without being banned permanently you would have to have made a turn-around and become a good member.

The point in offering 1 point per 1000 posts is to encourage posting. It doesn't guarantee quality posting but nothing really does.
Morsalbus : but if you get points by being a spammer it doesn't mean you'll be a trusted member. If no one else voted for you it would take 10,000 posts in order to get trusted. And that is assuming you don't get voted down in the process.

In order to make 10,000 posts without being banned permanently you would have to have made a turn-around and become a good member.

The point in offering 1 point per 1000 posts is to encourage posting. It doesn't guarantee quality posting but nothing really does.
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geeogree : Oh, so you meant to use the TP by post system in conjunction with the actual voting? That makes much more sense. Sorry I wasted so much space over that. xD
geeogree : Oh, so you meant to use the TP by post system in conjunction with the actual voting? That makes much more sense. Sorry I wasted so much space over that. xD
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Morsalbus : yeah, no worries. I would rather that people ask questions to better understand some of the ideas we've got so we have a good idea of what things people like as part of the trust point system.

I have no idea if any of these ideas will be in the final trust point system since David hasn't started working on it yet but it's best to get some ideas down before then
Morsalbus : yeah, no worries. I would rather that people ask questions to better understand some of the ideas we've got so we have a good idea of what things people like as part of the trust point system.

I have no idea if any of these ideas will be in the final trust point system since David hasn't started working on it yet but it's best to get some ideas down before then
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Trusted +/- 1
"Site" +/- 2
Elite +/- 3
Local +/- 5
Global +/- 7
Admin +/- 10
Owner +/- whatever he wants


Just a question though. What if an elite decided to become an RGR staff, would that lower his voting power?
Trusted +/- 1
"Site" +/- 2
Elite +/- 3
Local +/- 5
Global +/- 7
Admin +/- 10
Owner +/- whatever he wants


Just a question though. What if an elite decided to become an RGR staff, would that lower his voting power?
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