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12-21-04 01:43 AM
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What are you thoughts on suicide?
What are you thoughts on suicide?
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I think it's a terrible thing, and I'd be scared as hell if anyone I knew was suicidal.


I also know that anyone who commits suicide goes to hell (according to the bible, yes I know not many of the members here believe in the holy bible lol).
I think it's a terrible thing, and I'd be scared as hell if anyone I knew was suicidal.


I also know that anyone who commits suicide goes to hell (according to the bible, yes I know not many of the members here believe in the holy bible lol).
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This is a quote of someone else followed by my thoughts from another forum I go to. It's a bit harsh.

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[quote="lonelytraveler8"][quote="Mr SadistiK"]Oh how I love morbid topics! Especially this one. I have had my fill of suicide, I've lost three family members to it, and found ones remains. Now my opinion on this subject is..........those who attempt/succeed are just trying to take the easy way out. They can't handle lifes little hardships. Those who claim they will, yes 99.9% of the time are just looking for attention. A real sucidal person (and yes I know this for fact) won't tell anyone. They just start acting really, really happy, and give away everything that is precious to them and then do the deed.

Now what I have to say to all those thinking about it..........go ahead, take the easy way out. If life is just too tough for you than stop pushing your misery on everyone else. Or you can just tough it out like the rest of us, make due with what you got and move on. Unless you were torn in half by a locomotive and are suffering a tremndous amount of pain, and there is no chance for survival, it seems to me that suicide would be the (excuse the expression) the p**** way to fix your problems. Not only that, but you actually didn't fix anything. You just passed it to your next of kin, along with a large amount of trauma and a fat funeral bill.


(Do not mistake this message for permission to wipe yourself out.)[/quote]

These are the harsh remarks I mentioned I would be posting. So I guess I don't have to post them myself but I would like to say that I would have said it in a bit more sugar-coated way but the point stays the same. Giving up on something goes against most od what I believe in. It's not like just not finishing something, it's different and much worse. And giving up on life is the one thing that makes you look most like a wimp. If your bullied everyday in school, it doesn't make you a wimp to fight back, in fact that's probably the smart decision in most cases. What gives you that image is taking your life and then you can never take that image back. If you've lost interest in life then so what. I've lost interest in anime before and I got that back. Life isn't a game all the time and things almost never go your way. If your in an especially bad problem or have severe depression, which is a disease, then I sympathize with you. I've been there myself. Many people have without commiting suicide. If your in this predicament then do something about it, get medicine or move or something. I solved my problem at age 14 by moving half way across the United States and it wasn't easy to do. It's often not easy to fix your problems but I'm sorry to break it to you, it's not supposed to be. It's not impossible though. Chances are that if your suicidal your not going to tell anybody and you might even be in a situation where some people don't even know or believe what your going through. Does that mean by committing suicide you'll finally get people to pay attention? Unfortunately, your right but in the process you gave up any chance of receiving that attention because now people will be crying over you and wishing they'd seen the trouble and blaming themselves. So if your that weak to give up over something small or something huge or a mix of the two then go ahead and commit suicide, but remember that you could never make it up to anyone that cares about you. Also remember that your not alone.[/quote]
This is a quote of someone else followed by my thoughts from another forum I go to. It's a bit harsh.

Originally posted by Quiet Chaos
[quote="lonelytraveler8"][quote="Mr SadistiK"]Oh how I love morbid topics! Especially this one. I have had my fill of suicide, I've lost three family members to it, and found ones remains. Now my opinion on this subject is..........those who attempt/succeed are just trying to take the easy way out. They can't handle lifes little hardships. Those who claim they will, yes 99.9% of the time are just looking for attention. A real sucidal person (and yes I know this for fact) won't tell anyone. They just start acting really, really happy, and give away everything that is precious to them and then do the deed.

Now what I have to say to all those thinking about it..........go ahead, take the easy way out. If life is just too tough for you than stop pushing your misery on everyone else. Or you can just tough it out like the rest of us, make due with what you got and move on. Unless you were torn in half by a locomotive and are suffering a tremndous amount of pain, and there is no chance for survival, it seems to me that suicide would be the (excuse the expression) the p**** way to fix your problems. Not only that, but you actually didn't fix anything. You just passed it to your next of kin, along with a large amount of trauma and a fat funeral bill.


(Do not mistake this message for permission to wipe yourself out.)[/quote]

These are the harsh remarks I mentioned I would be posting. So I guess I don't have to post them myself but I would like to say that I would have said it in a bit more sugar-coated way but the point stays the same. Giving up on something goes against most od what I believe in. It's not like just not finishing something, it's different and much worse. And giving up on life is the one thing that makes you look most like a wimp. If your bullied everyday in school, it doesn't make you a wimp to fight back, in fact that's probably the smart decision in most cases. What gives you that image is taking your life and then you can never take that image back. If you've lost interest in life then so what. I've lost interest in anime before and I got that back. Life isn't a game all the time and things almost never go your way. If your in an especially bad problem or have severe depression, which is a disease, then I sympathize with you. I've been there myself. Many people have without commiting suicide. If your in this predicament then do something about it, get medicine or move or something. I solved my problem at age 14 by moving half way across the United States and it wasn't easy to do. It's often not easy to fix your problems but I'm sorry to break it to you, it's not supposed to be. It's not impossible though. Chances are that if your suicidal your not going to tell anybody and you might even be in a situation where some people don't even know or believe what your going through. Does that mean by committing suicide you'll finally get people to pay attention? Unfortunately, your right but in the process you gave up any chance of receiving that attention because now people will be crying over you and wishing they'd seen the trouble and blaming themselves. So if your that weak to give up over something small or something huge or a mix of the two then go ahead and commit suicide, but remember that you could never make it up to anyone that cares about you. Also remember that your not alone.[/quote]
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Several of my friends have attempted suicide... numerous times. Until they realized that they were meant to live. my two closest friends met in a mental institution for attempted suicide. Glad to know that both of them aren't suicidal anymore.

but my thoughts on suicide... no one needs to die. they should get help. because they would desperately need it. Why should they kill themselves? Do they know how much havoc could occur over their death?
Several of my friends have attempted suicide... numerous times. Until they realized that they were meant to live. my two closest friends met in a mental institution for attempted suicide. Glad to know that both of them aren't suicidal anymore.

but my thoughts on suicide... no one needs to die. they should get help. because they would desperately need it. Why should they kill themselves? Do they know how much havoc could occur over their death?
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Well my thoughts are if they wanna do it, then go ahead if i know them and they tell me about it, then I guess I would try to stop them, but why would they tell me? Just for attention and for me to tell them not to, well thats what my thoughts are about it.
Well my thoughts are if they wanna do it, then go ahead if i know them and they tell me about it, then I guess I would try to stop them, but why would they tell me? Just for attention and for me to tell them not to, well thats what my thoughts are about it.
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During the time I believed in God and attended church I was very suicidal..

That's about all I want to say about my history on the subject, but I will say that once I opened my eyes and realized that god isn't out there.. I valued my life alot more.. It's why I'm eating healthier and getting more exercise. =)
During the time I believed in God and attended church I was very suicidal..

That's about all I want to say about my history on the subject, but I will say that once I opened my eyes and realized that god isn't out there.. I valued my life alot more.. It's why I'm eating healthier and getting more exercise. =)
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Well, I too believe that committing suicide will take you to hell, because, it is not up to us to take our lives into our own hands...that is if you believe in Christianity.

Well, I too believe that committing suicide will take you to hell, because, it is not up to us to take our lives into our own hands...that is if you believe in Christianity.

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Where the HELL in the bible does it say that?
Where the HELL in the bible does it say that?
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It isn't just said in one place, you just have to put these things together and understand, but why do you care, you said you aren't christian?
It isn't just said in one place, you just have to put these things together and understand, but why do you care, you said you aren't christian?
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Because it ISN'T in the bible. I have several christian friends and have read the bible myself. Suicide isn't mentioned in the bible for the most part and it especially doesn't mention going to hell because of it.

If you're a christian you obviously believe in the process of being "saved" by some sort.

And anyone who isn't "saved" goes to hell and those who are are immune to going to hell.. So suicide over-riding that debunks your whole belief system.
Because it ISN'T in the bible. I have several christian friends and have read the bible myself. Suicide isn't mentioned in the bible for the most part and it especially doesn't mention going to hell because of it.

If you're a christian you obviously believe in the process of being "saved" by some sort.

And anyone who isn't "saved" goes to hell and those who are are immune to going to hell.. So suicide over-riding that debunks your whole belief system.
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Yes, but you are suppose to give your life to the lord, in committing suicide, you are taking your life into your own hands

(I don't knwo if I'm coming off as rude to you Jin, if I am
I am sorry, please excuse me..)
Yes, but you are suppose to give your life to the lord, in committing suicide, you are taking your life into your own hands

(I don't knwo if I'm coming off as rude to you Jin, if I am
I am sorry, please excuse me..)
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Being strong in what you believe in and being rude are utterly different.

And you still haven't made a case or shown any proof of comitting suicide sending one to hell. Show me a bible scripture in pretty much any translation and I'll double check it.
Being strong in what you believe in and being rude are utterly different.

And you still haven't made a case or shown any proof of comitting suicide sending one to hell. Show me a bible scripture in pretty much any translation and I'll double check it.
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Ok, I'll look into that and maybe get some help from my brother or grandparents, but like davideo said, please stop with the "bible bashing", it's ok to think it's a nogood worthless piece of junk if you keep it to yourself because others may no think that..
Ok, I'll look into that and maybe get some help from my brother or grandparents, but like davideo said, please stop with the "bible bashing", it's ok to think it's a nogood worthless piece of junk if you keep it to yourself because others may no think that..
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Originally posted by Jin
Being strong in what you believe in and being rude are utterly different.

And you still haven't made a case or shown any proof of comitting suicide sending one to hell. Show me a bible scripture in pretty much any translation and I'll double check it.




Suicide is murder, obviously! Where do you go when you murder someone and do not repent afterward? Hell. How can you repent after your murder yourself? You cannot.


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Being strong in what you believe in and being rude are utterly different.

And you still haven't made a case or shown any proof of comitting suicide sending one to hell. Show me a bible scripture in pretty much any translation and I'll double check it.




Suicide is murder, obviously! Where do you go when you murder someone and do not repent afterward? Hell. How can you repent after your murder yourself? You cannot.


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The idealism behind being saved from the Baptist and most Christian based dogmas is, Once you're saved. There is no turning back. You can't get "unsaved".


Some don't believe this but MOST do. So committing suicide after this sending one to hell is a contradiction.
The idealism behind being saved from the Baptist and most Christian based dogmas is, Once you're saved. There is no turning back. You can't get "unsaved".


Some don't believe this but MOST do. So committing suicide after this sending one to hell is a contradiction.
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I'll rest my debate, but not my reasoning and beliefs
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I'll gladly step down if you show me scriptures that show this, Because it will be a contradiction in the bible according to most christian dogmas.
I'll gladly step down if you show me scriptures that show this, Because it will be a contradiction in the bible according to most christian dogmas.
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Jin have you ever read the bible? If you had then you WOULD KNOW that Davids post shut you down. Stop wasting our time please.

As for me, suicide is a selfish thing to do. It is the most selfish thing anyone can EVER do.
Jin have you ever read the bible? If you had then you WOULD KNOW that Davids post shut you down. Stop wasting our time please.

As for me, suicide is a selfish thing to do. It is the most selfish thing anyone can EVER do.
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And as I replied. Most Christian dogmas clearly say, Once you're saved. There's no turning back. It doesn't even say in the bible one way or another really. I'm just basing this on Baptist and general christian dogma.

Christian based religions are so out there these days It's kind of hard to keep up.
And as I replied. Most Christian dogmas clearly say, Once you're saved. There's no turning back. It doesn't even say in the bible one way or another really. I'm just basing this on Baptist and general christian dogma.

Christian based religions are so out there these days It's kind of hard to keep up.
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Once your saved? Ok first of all if you sin you need to be repented of your sins. Expecially when it is breaking one of the 10 commadments.
Once your saved? Ok first of all if you sin you need to be repented of your sins. Expecially when it is breaking one of the 10 commadments.
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