Transsexualism, genderqueers, androgyny and non-binary gender variants in general.

Your thoughts?

Yes, I feel controversial today.

*waltzes off*

"non-binary gender variants in general" << lol

I dont like it. Fair enough, some people are born in the wrong body, but the people that do it for kicks, I really dont like them..
To clarify this, if someone has a comedy show where they dress up in drag, and not just bang on a dress, but really make themselves look like a woman, then thats ok. If a guy goes out on the town dressed up as a women.. thats terribly wrong..

I seen this on Oprah just the other day .

EDIT : It might have been Dr. Phil

I honestly don't think anyone is born in the wrong body, it's all in the head, them people have a mental illness and are unstable.

I suppose it's possible for a female to have a male part, but she's still a female. Likewise, it might be possible for a male to have a female part, and again, he's still a male...there's no "both male and female".

So you can conclude that I'm entirely against people having sex changes.

Originally posted by Davideo7

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I suppose it's possible for a female to have a male part, but she's still a female. Likewise, it might be possible for a male to have a female part, and again, he's still a male...there's no "both male and female".

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I suppose this is a good time to mention the actual reason behind my controversy? I'm bigendered. Just so you know.

Also, you should know that physical sex, sexual orientation and gender identity are different things. For example, you can be male, and be attracted to other males, but still identify as male yourself. Or you can be attracted to females and identify as female. In other words, you can have a male body, but still be female in most other ways.

Bigender, which most probably have never even heard of, is to identify both as male and female, and "switch" between an en femme and en homme persona depending on the situation. Contrary to your last statement there.

If you were thinking of there being no "both male and female" physically, then you have intersex people.

This thread suddenly got freaky...you are saying you got a vagina?

Originally posted by Lieutenant Vicktz

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This thread suddenly got freaky...you are saying you got a vagina?

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Originally posted by Bustus

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Also, you should know that physical sex, sexual orientation and gender identity are different things.

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Originally posted by Bustus

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Bigender, which most probably have never even heard of, is to identify both as male and female,

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So in other words, your a male who sometimes thinks he's a female...that is just an illness probably caused by being bi-polar (or possibly Schizophrenia?). some men are more feminine than others but that does not make them bigendered, trigendered, transexual, etc.
what you have sounds mental but not physical and you will probably get over it once you get older since you are just a young boy right now.

Let me inform you a little bit here...

Gender identity is what your mind tells you that you are. Assuming you're male, you have a "click" inside you that says "You're male! Follow a male gender role! Be en homme!". Usually, this is how it works.

You have transsexuals. They have a click that says the opposite of what their physical sex is. Then you have androgynes, who don't have this click at all, or it doesn't really tell if they're distinctly male or female. Then there's bigendered people, who get both of these clicks.

For your intelligence, when my en femme persona is "active", I don't "think" I'm female. I feel physically female, males become somewhat alien to me. Then, other times I'm just a regular guy. My life so far has been a strange kind of compromise, wearing androgynous clothes and having semi-long hair, so as to lessen the confusion.

Also, you don't seem to know what schizophrenia is. Go wiki it or something.

Thank you for bringing my age into the equation, it's very much appreciated to hear that knowing oneself is reserved for the "adults".

Proven fact that the brain is not fully developed until the age of 21, as to why kids and teens are so ignorant and think they are know-it-alls. your points prove to me further that it is all in the head.

Charles Manson once thought he was the anti-christ, but was he? No. He also once thought he was Jesus, but was he? Nope again. Some people think they are something that they are not, it is just a phase and is just in the head.

Sometimes kids go through phases where they wish they were animals so they could do the various things animals do such as fly and or swim like a fish - does that make them the animals they would like to be? No. Most kids at some point also wish they were older, or were adults...does this make them adults? definitely not.

To me, being 'bi-gendered' is just a friendly way of saying you are bisexual.

You're right that it's all in the head, considering that my body is male and it doesn't exactly change much during certain circumstances. Oh, and do elaborate as to why my points prove your opinion further.

Charles Manson is irrelevant.

When I was little, I did have those phases, yes. To be more specific, I wanted to be a dinosaur. The flying one, pterodactyl. Awesome creatures.

Actually, being bigendered isn't supposed to affect your sexual orientation at all. If you're attracted to women as your "male self", then so are you as your "female self". Also, do I have to say it one more time that sexual orientation and gender identity aren't directly connected?

Ease down just a tad Lieutenant, we don't want this to turn into a war.

To turn this away from myself, here's another question:

Imagine that you have a child (imagine one you already have if that's the case). After around 15-20 years of you not noticing anything, said person suddenly approaches you and says that he/she does and has always wanted to be the opposite sex, and wants your support. What do you do?

Yes, I'm doing this to annoy you. Don't complain, it generates posts.

Originally posted by Davideo7

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I honestly don't think anyone is born in the wrong body, it's all in the head, them people have a mental illness and are unstable.

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But its a mental illness that cant be changed. People are geneticly male or female, and I totaly agree with you with thinking sex changes are wrong. I was talking about just cross dressers.

I'm just saying that according to the bible, god does not put a person in the wrong body...he doesn't make a person the wrong gender. My opinion is biased and based on the bible and I don't expect anyone to side with me who doesn't have a biblical foundation of thinking.

Originally posted by Davideo7

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I honestly don't think anyone is born in the wrong body, it's all in the head, them people have a mental illness and are unstable.

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I can understand why you believe it to be a mental illness, but I do wonder where this unstability comes in. Care to elaborate?

cool i can revive this

in any case, it could be percieved as a mental illness if it lowers your quality of life n whatnot, but i'm trying to kinda see if identifying yourself as m/f does this... i know i probably cant relate but... i dont see it having a hurtful impact on a life other than being confused (i try to use this word delicately, what i mean to say is, to be male and think male - then to think female would be like a conflict within yourself)

but hey, i'm not 1 for psychology much, vash should jump in but he hasnt been around all of a sudden