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05-22-11 01:26 PM
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I gave this site a chance, and regret that very much. My brother invited me to this web site because he enjoyed playing games and knew I liked to blog. Even though this site claims it is not a Christian site, Christian politics and ideals rule the forums. It is insulting to those of us that don't believe in Christ or have discovered the tremendous faults of the Church. Because I use my brain I have to deal with other people putting me and my ideals down because they choose to follow mythology.
On top of that my brother get ganged up on by the mods because he has some good posting ideas I'm sure they've stolen by now. The maturity levels of most of your moderators is severely low. Annette is the only one I've met and liked, as she isn't judgmental nor does she jump on people's posts she doesn't like.
Add to the the attacks on the site(that had to be brought on somehow, I would guess a member flaming another board, or a former member that got screwed). My brother and I both got spyware from this site and had to re-install our browsers.
Between the kids posting their nonsense having nothing to do with the OP, immature moderators, and the overwhelming christian overlording here, then the attacks and viruses that have popped up since; I have no choice but to leave and not come back. Hope you guys get your selves together.
I gave this site a chance, and regret that very much. My brother invited me to this web site because he enjoyed playing games and knew I liked to blog. Even though this site claims it is not a Christian site, Christian politics and ideals rule the forums. It is insulting to those of us that don't believe in Christ or have discovered the tremendous faults of the Church. Because I use my brain I have to deal with other people putting me and my ideals down because they choose to follow mythology.
On top of that my brother get ganged up on by the mods because he has some good posting ideas I'm sure they've stolen by now. The maturity levels of most of your moderators is severely low. Annette is the only one I've met and liked, as she isn't judgmental nor does she jump on people's posts she doesn't like.
Add to the the attacks on the site(that had to be brought on somehow, I would guess a member flaming another board, or a former member that got screwed). My brother and I both got spyware from this site and had to re-install our browsers.
Between the kids posting their nonsense having nothing to do with the OP, immature moderators, and the overwhelming christian overlording here, then the attacks and viruses that have popped up since; I have no choice but to leave and not come back. Hope you guys get your selves together.
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>"We're not a Christian site"
>Have a section just for Christians, nothing else
>Makes perfect sense

I see what you mean. Good luck in life, man. Hope you come back someday.
>"We're not a Christian site"
>Have a section just for Christians, nothing else
>Makes perfect sense

I see what you mean. Good luck in life, man. Hope you come back someday.
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Belegerbs : I can see your frustration.

If you're here for the games, stay and play the games. I did that for a while before I even tried joining the community.

Don't mind those who bother you. The nice thing about here is that you don't require posting in the forums and chatting to use the site. Ignore everyone, don't pay them attetion, and play your games.

That's what I do most of the time. It's too bad some people are aggressive. It's too bad you're so sensitive as to leave instead of simply ignore.

Best of luck to you!
Belegerbs : I can see your frustration.

If you're here for the games, stay and play the games. I did that for a while before I even tried joining the community.

Don't mind those who bother you. The nice thing about here is that you don't require posting in the forums and chatting to use the site. Ignore everyone, don't pay them attetion, and play your games.

That's what I do most of the time. It's too bad some people are aggressive. It's too bad you're so sensitive as to leave instead of simply ignore.

Best of luck to you!
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05-22-11 05:23 PM
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If you feel that way. Honestly, most of the people here are quite reasonable if you know how to talk to them. I mean, I am a rather liberal Pagan who is extremely vocal about it, but they don't gang up on me. I hope that you decide to give us another shot once you cool down, it is nice to see your posts around the board.
If you feel that way. Honestly, most of the people here are quite reasonable if you know how to talk to them. I mean, I am a rather liberal Pagan who is extremely vocal about it, but they don't gang up on me. I hope that you decide to give us another shot once you cool down, it is nice to see your posts around the board.
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yeah, I think Elara is a prime example of not "fitting the mold" and yet managing to stick around here and be civil and even respected by the members and staff here.

Belegerbs : have you brought any of your concerns to the staff? Which posts are you speaking of? Have you tried to work any of these issues out with staff?

"Because I use my brain I have to deal with other people putting me and my ideals down because they choose to follow mythology."

Although, with comments like that I can understand why you don't get along with the Christian members of the site. You are free to disagree but comments like that are not going to get you anywhere.
yeah, I think Elara is a prime example of not "fitting the mold" and yet managing to stick around here and be civil and even respected by the members and staff here.

Belegerbs : have you brought any of your concerns to the staff? Which posts are you speaking of? Have you tried to work any of these issues out with staff?

"Because I use my brain I have to deal with other people putting me and my ideals down because they choose to follow mythology."

Although, with comments like that I can understand why you don't get along with the Christian members of the site. You are free to disagree but comments like that are not going to get you anywhere.
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Belegerbs : really?iv only seen one insulting christian comment so far,although i tend to stay out of the christian forums because im atheist.
Belegerbs : really?iv only seen one insulting christian comment so far,although i tend to stay out of the christian forums because im atheist.
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Hey, I don't really know you. But I hope you come back soon. If you are having a problem with one of the staff members all I can say is just confront them about it and try to work it out. It's really the only thing you can do. But then again every site there is, has drama on it.. its just a part of life in general. I am a Christian and I'v seen a couple of insulting posts and Fourms in the "Christian" fourm.. but I just ignore it really cause I have no Intrest in commenting on them.. cause it will either just start and fight or a debate.. but ya.




I hope you come back soon every sense I joined this site I have really enjoyed it here and I haven''t had any problems with anybody. And if you don't like commenting or posting you don't have too just ignore everybody and go play games..


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Hey, I don't really know you. But I hope you come back soon. If you are having a problem with one of the staff members all I can say is just confront them about it and try to work it out. It's really the only thing you can do. But then again every site there is, has drama on it.. its just a part of life in general. I am a Christian and I'v seen a couple of insulting posts and Fourms in the "Christian" fourm.. but I just ignore it really cause I have no Intrest in commenting on them.. cause it will either just start and fight or a debate.. but ya.




I hope you come back soon every sense I joined this site I have really enjoyed it here and I haven''t had any problems with anybody. And if you don't like commenting or posting you don't have too just ignore everybody and go play games..


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I thought this was going to be something of substance, but it's nothing I haven't heard before.

Let me tackle each issue you've set forth, and show you why it is you who is being immature.

" Even though this site claims it is not a Christian site, Christian politics and ideals rule the forums. "

Not at all, you are probably looking at the Christian Conservatives forum, as the site owner is Christian, it is perfectly reasonable to have a Christian forum to talk about Christian idealogies. I am an atheist, and have been here for about 8 months, I have never had an issue with any christian themes, because I stay away from those forums.

"Because I use my brain I have to deal with other people putting me and my ideals down because they choose to follow mythology. "

This is nothing more than an insult to Christians. You seem to ask that all Christians respect your beliefs, which is fine, they should. However, you seem to think it's a one way street, you need to respect THEIR faith as well. As I have said, I am an atheist, but I fit in here, because I RESPECT them. In return, they respect me.

"On top of that my brother get ganged up on by the mods because he has some good posting ideas I'm sure they've stolen by now. The maturity levels of most of your moderators is severely low."

What were these ideas? Mods here close threads they deem spammy, and I have never seen a topic stolen by a moderator here. The moderators are here because they care about the site, not because they want to reign power over everyone else. Abusive moderators are weeded out, and demoted, so it's likely your brother just had some bad threads. No big deal.

As for their maturity, they can be mature, it's just that this is more of a kids site, so you have to expect the moderators to have more childish sides to them, a lot of joking goes on here, whether the moderator is an adult like geeogree or Annette, or a kid like Alexanyways or Juliet. I think you may just not get that a joke is a joke. Moving on.

"Add to the the attacks on the site(that had to be brought on somehow, I would guess a member flaming another board, or a former member that got screwed)."

The attacks were non-provoked, the issue is being dealt with by the owner. There is nothing more that can be said about it, if it was a former member, they were being immature because they broke the rules and got banned. wah wah.

"I have no choice but to leave and not come back. Hope you guys get your selves together."

Ok, leave, you seem to not be the type of member this site really needs if all you do is point fingers, and not take your own advice, hypocrite. Once you learn the values of respect, and can talk on a level field with us about the issues you have, a more respectful agreement can come out of it.

I'll probably get a lot of flack for saying this out loud, because someone could say maybe I'm flaming you, which I honestly am not. So I fully expect the mods to get on me about this, and when they do, I will defend myself for it, and take any punishment I may deserve. This is maturity, the so called maturity that you yourself need to gain.

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I thought this was going to be something of substance, but it's nothing I haven't heard before.

Let me tackle each issue you've set forth, and show you why it is you who is being immature.

" Even though this site claims it is not a Christian site, Christian politics and ideals rule the forums. "

Not at all, you are probably looking at the Christian Conservatives forum, as the site owner is Christian, it is perfectly reasonable to have a Christian forum to talk about Christian idealogies. I am an atheist, and have been here for about 8 months, I have never had an issue with any christian themes, because I stay away from those forums.

"Because I use my brain I have to deal with other people putting me and my ideals down because they choose to follow mythology. "

This is nothing more than an insult to Christians. You seem to ask that all Christians respect your beliefs, which is fine, they should. However, you seem to think it's a one way street, you need to respect THEIR faith as well. As I have said, I am an atheist, but I fit in here, because I RESPECT them. In return, they respect me.

"On top of that my brother get ganged up on by the mods because he has some good posting ideas I'm sure they've stolen by now. The maturity levels of most of your moderators is severely low."

What were these ideas? Mods here close threads they deem spammy, and I have never seen a topic stolen by a moderator here. The moderators are here because they care about the site, not because they want to reign power over everyone else. Abusive moderators are weeded out, and demoted, so it's likely your brother just had some bad threads. No big deal.

As for their maturity, they can be mature, it's just that this is more of a kids site, so you have to expect the moderators to have more childish sides to them, a lot of joking goes on here, whether the moderator is an adult like geeogree or Annette, or a kid like Alexanyways or Juliet. I think you may just not get that a joke is a joke. Moving on.

"Add to the the attacks on the site(that had to be brought on somehow, I would guess a member flaming another board, or a former member that got screwed)."

The attacks were non-provoked, the issue is being dealt with by the owner. There is nothing more that can be said about it, if it was a former member, they were being immature because they broke the rules and got banned. wah wah.

"I have no choice but to leave and not come back. Hope you guys get your selves together."

Ok, leave, you seem to not be the type of member this site really needs if all you do is point fingers, and not take your own advice, hypocrite. Once you learn the values of respect, and can talk on a level field with us about the issues you have, a more respectful agreement can come out of it.

I'll probably get a lot of flack for saying this out loud, because someone could say maybe I'm flaming you, which I honestly am not. So I fully expect the mods to get on me about this, and when they do, I will defend myself for it, and take any punishment I may deserve. This is maturity, the so called maturity that you yourself need to gain.

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I agree with leggy. There is ONE forum that talks about Christianty, and to be honest, I think it is the least visited. It would be nice if you learned more about vizzed before you criticize it.
I agree with leggy. There is ONE forum that talks about Christianty, and to be honest, I think it is the least visited. It would be nice if you learned more about vizzed before you criticize it.
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legacyme3 : Wow Nice said. I'm very impressed. What you said was all true.
legacyme3 : Wow Nice said. I'm very impressed. What you said was all true.
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Belegerbs, I can understand where you're coming from. I felt like I was in a similar situation as you when I first registered here. I responded by flaming which got me banned for a year. However, when I was given another chance, I handled things differently. There's more than one way to speak your mind. There are plenty of people that I disagree with on here, but I respect them. If we really disagree, I try to argue but I try do so in a logical manner. If you wish to be treated with respect, I would avoid insulting the intelligence of the members who share different opinions.

legacyme3 : To be fair to Belegerbs, even though there is only one Christian forum, I've seen many comments outside of there from the people who often post in there in other forums. It's not too far-fetched too say that sometimes their ideals spread elsewhere.

Belegerbs, I can understand where you're coming from. I felt like I was in a similar situation as you when I first registered here. I responded by flaming which got me banned for a year. However, when I was given another chance, I handled things differently. There's more than one way to speak your mind. There are plenty of people that I disagree with on here, but I respect them. If we really disagree, I try to argue but I try do so in a logical manner. If you wish to be treated with respect, I would avoid insulting the intelligence of the members who share different opinions.

legacyme3 : To be fair to Belegerbs, even though there is only one Christian forum, I've seen many comments outside of there from the people who often post in there in other forums. It's not too far-fetched too say that sometimes their ideals spread elsewhere.

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legacyme3 : Thank you for confirming what I was talking about. Do you do anything other than snipe peoples posts? Do you have anything to do at all with your life? Go for a run when you feel like behaving like a jackass. Your sniping on posts and jumping my brothers posts are the main reason he and I are out of this site. You sir think you are a wonderful judge of people, but you expose yourself in the process. Perhaps you have replaced lying with judging.
legacyme3 : Thank you for confirming what I was talking about. Do you do anything other than snipe peoples posts? Do you have anything to do at all with your life? Go for a run when you feel like behaving like a jackass. Your sniping on posts and jumping my brothers posts are the main reason he and I are out of this site. You sir think you are a wonderful judge of people, but you expose yourself in the process. Perhaps you have replaced lying with judging.
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Belegerbs : Now you are putting words where they don't exist.

I came in here expecting it to be something worth talking about, but I come out of it displeased that it's just another sob story, as if we didn't have enough of those.

I do plenty with my life, although that point in this matter is irrelevant, so I must assume that you are just trying to get defensive because someone called you out on the lack of maturity you have. It's ok, I used to be like that too until I grew up.

I only assumed that your brothers posts must have been bad, because I have never seen a good thread get closed. If you gave examples of these threads, maybe we could decide for ourselves, but you haven't shown us anything, so what do we have to go on?

Again, I don't care if you come or stay, the people who stay, are those who get along with the community, and it feels to me like you are confrontational, something this site tries its best to avoid.

I don't think I'm a wonderful judge of people, but I do know a bit of psychology, enough to tell me that you "sir" are a hypocrite, and just as bad as judging me, as you claim I am of judging you.

I didn't lie once in this thread, and here's a little secret between the two of us.

I have met a wide variety of people on this site, and these people have all kinds of behaviors, you qualify as the group of people I like to call "The ignorant, and the immature", a group which mostly consists of 12 year olds who run their mouths.

I think that we are done here, and nothing good can come of this, so I will call in a mod like I should have done, and see whether they think this will lead anywhere productive.

Annette :
Cyro Xero :

I think that this just a flame fest waiting to happen. Please review and decide for yourselves.
Belegerbs : Now you are putting words where they don't exist.

I came in here expecting it to be something worth talking about, but I come out of it displeased that it's just another sob story, as if we didn't have enough of those.

I do plenty with my life, although that point in this matter is irrelevant, so I must assume that you are just trying to get defensive because someone called you out on the lack of maturity you have. It's ok, I used to be like that too until I grew up.

I only assumed that your brothers posts must have been bad, because I have never seen a good thread get closed. If you gave examples of these threads, maybe we could decide for ourselves, but you haven't shown us anything, so what do we have to go on?

Again, I don't care if you come or stay, the people who stay, are those who get along with the community, and it feels to me like you are confrontational, something this site tries its best to avoid.

I don't think I'm a wonderful judge of people, but I do know a bit of psychology, enough to tell me that you "sir" are a hypocrite, and just as bad as judging me, as you claim I am of judging you.

I didn't lie once in this thread, and here's a little secret between the two of us.

I have met a wide variety of people on this site, and these people have all kinds of behaviors, you qualify as the group of people I like to call "The ignorant, and the immature", a group which mostly consists of 12 year olds who run their mouths.

I think that we are done here, and nothing good can come of this, so I will call in a mod like I should have done, and see whether they think this will lead anywhere productive.

Annette :
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I think that this just a flame fest waiting to happen. Please review and decide for yourselves.
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Belegerbs, this site has a wide range of ages and some people don't know social etiquette, so there's going to be a bit of conflicting posts and what. I can understand you'd feel frustrated with some members here but you just gotta let it go. There are people like that at every message board. This site is first and foremost a retro game site. The message board part is just for the community. And it may not be for everyone. If nothing else, you can stay for the gaming and don't have to bother posting. Thousands of people come here just to do that. If you feel you want to stay for just the game aspect then you may want to hit up another message board for the posting part. I myself split my time online between here and a different board.

Not all of the mods are as bad as you say. There are those of us who are just as open-minded as Annette who you may not have met yet. You can grab anyone of us about problem, it doesn't just have to be the ones assigned to the specific forums. Keep that in mind.
Belegerbs, this site has a wide range of ages and some people don't know social etiquette, so there's going to be a bit of conflicting posts and what. I can understand you'd feel frustrated with some members here but you just gotta let it go. There are people like that at every message board. This site is first and foremost a retro game site. The message board part is just for the community. And it may not be for everyone. If nothing else, you can stay for the gaming and don't have to bother posting. Thousands of people come here just to do that. If you feel you want to stay for just the game aspect then you may want to hit up another message board for the posting part. I myself split my time online between here and a different board.

Not all of the mods are as bad as you say. There are those of us who are just as open-minded as Annette who you may not have met yet. You can grab anyone of us about problem, it doesn't just have to be the ones assigned to the specific forums. Keep that in mind.
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I agree with a lot of leggy's points.

Personally, I'm not very religious. I did go through Confirmation as a Catholic, but I only go to church once or twice a year. If Christians completely ruled the site then I would have been banned long ago simply because I'm gay. One or two members have commented that they think it is a sin, but they NEVER made it a personal attack.

You say your brother got ganged up on. What is your brother's user name? I'm honestly curious about what threads were closed and/or stolen. I'm not attacking you. I'm just interested.

Furthermore, when/where were you attacked by moderators? Some moderators are strong-willed, but personal attacks may even get them in trouble. If a Staff member is deliberately rude to any other member and it is unprovoked, David MAY decide to demote them for that. Explain when the attack happened and something can and will be done to resolve the matter.

The attacks can not be blamed on the site. David didn't just wake up one day and think "I hope Vizzed gets attacked and is forced to go down for a few days, then go through a rather long recovery stage." The real truth behind it is that anything can be hacked. Some things are harder to hack than others, but nothing is 100% perfect. You really can only blame the hackers.

Please reply so we can try to settle this.
I agree with a lot of leggy's points.

Personally, I'm not very religious. I did go through Confirmation as a Catholic, but I only go to church once or twice a year. If Christians completely ruled the site then I would have been banned long ago simply because I'm gay. One or two members have commented that they think it is a sin, but they NEVER made it a personal attack.

You say your brother got ganged up on. What is your brother's user name? I'm honestly curious about what threads were closed and/or stolen. I'm not attacking you. I'm just interested.

Furthermore, when/where were you attacked by moderators? Some moderators are strong-willed, but personal attacks may even get them in trouble. If a Staff member is deliberately rude to any other member and it is unprovoked, David MAY decide to demote them for that. Explain when the attack happened and something can and will be done to resolve the matter.

The attacks can not be blamed on the site. David didn't just wake up one day and think "I hope Vizzed gets attacked and is forced to go down for a few days, then go through a rather long recovery stage." The real truth behind it is that anything can be hacked. Some things are harder to hack than others, but nothing is 100% perfect. You really can only blame the hackers.

Please reply so we can try to settle this.
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legacyme3 : It's staff comments like this that makes me wonder how people like you get moderatorship, you call belegerbs immature and ignorant and yet you are too by all the personal attacks, so whats your point? i had joined this site in the hopes that i might someday i might make some friends and possibly become a mod, and seeing how they act i have lost all interest in that goal.
legacyme3 : It's staff comments like this that makes me wonder how people like you get moderatorship, you call belegerbs immature and ignorant and yet you are too by all the personal attacks, so whats your point? i had joined this site in the hopes that i might someday i might make some friends and possibly become a mod, and seeing how they act i have lost all interest in that goal.
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Margoth :

That's why I said I fully expected staff to get on me. Because it's not seen as staff like to call someone out, we are always in the wrong, even if we do what is right. You have no idea what I mean, and I hope you never do, because being a moderator/staff is a double edged sword.

For the record, I am not attacking him, so much as making a statement. If you look at every other post in this thread, I am just being a little harsher, because in my experience, that is how you need to get to some people, they won't listen to reason.

I guess my point is that he should stop whining, and just deal with the site as it is, if he doesn't like the board, stick to the RGR, people aren't going to change for him, so he should get used to it. Because he is making an addendum out of this, he is being a little brat.

It is really that simple.

As for your goals of being a moderator, it's not exactly the fun some people make it out to be, it is hard work sometimes, and some people grow to dislike it. If you want to be a mod, don't let people who act differently dissuade you from your goal, I wanted to be a moderator once, and I became one. I quickly realized what it meant to be a moderator, and that is being tough, but fair.

I'd say I just showed those traits just now, because while you seem to think it's wrong, it's what a lot of members perceive as right. You can't change people, but you can try and at least make them realize they aren't going to get their every wish. I hope you understand.
Margoth :

That's why I said I fully expected staff to get on me. Because it's not seen as staff like to call someone out, we are always in the wrong, even if we do what is right. You have no idea what I mean, and I hope you never do, because being a moderator/staff is a double edged sword.

For the record, I am not attacking him, so much as making a statement. If you look at every other post in this thread, I am just being a little harsher, because in my experience, that is how you need to get to some people, they won't listen to reason.

I guess my point is that he should stop whining, and just deal with the site as it is, if he doesn't like the board, stick to the RGR, people aren't going to change for him, so he should get used to it. Because he is making an addendum out of this, he is being a little brat.

It is really that simple.

As for your goals of being a moderator, it's not exactly the fun some people make it out to be, it is hard work sometimes, and some people grow to dislike it. If you want to be a mod, don't let people who act differently dissuade you from your goal, I wanted to be a moderator once, and I became one. I quickly realized what it meant to be a moderator, and that is being tough, but fair.

I'd say I just showed those traits just now, because while you seem to think it's wrong, it's what a lot of members perceive as right. You can't change people, but you can try and at least make them realize they aren't going to get their every wish. I hope you understand.
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Margoth :
Belegerbs :

Margoth referred Belegerbs. Is Margoth the brother that is being referenced? That would answer a lot of questions of mine.
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Belegerbs :

Margoth referred Belegerbs. Is Margoth the brother that is being referenced? That would answer a lot of questions of mine.
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BNuge :

Margoth has him listed as family, so I would assume so, yes.
BNuge :

Margoth has him listed as family, so I would assume so, yes.
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this argument is getting nowhere.the original point was that the site was essentialy biased,the comments would indicate that is,by a long way,a minority view.these comments offer no alternaives or new inputs.all these comments are just repeating the original points but with a notch more venom each time.
Theres evidently nothing to be achieved by anyone by continuing this route.you should either forget this thread and in the case of belgerb/margoth either leave/stay or start again and try proof of what you argue(e.g link to a thread where christian debate has spilled over to) or specific comments by mods that show they are abusing there power(excluding the ones in this thread)
Anyway,try and stay cool.
this argument is getting nowhere.the original point was that the site was essentialy biased,the comments would indicate that is,by a long way,a minority view.these comments offer no alternaives or new inputs.all these comments are just repeating the original points but with a notch more venom each time.
Theres evidently nothing to be achieved by anyone by continuing this route.you should either forget this thread and in the case of belgerb/margoth either leave/stay or start again and try proof of what you argue(e.g link to a thread where christian debate has spilled over to) or specific comments by mods that show they are abusing there power(excluding the ones in this thread)
Anyway,try and stay cool.
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