Originally posted by Davideo7

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It makes sense that the chicken came first. When god created adam, the first man, did he get created as a baby? No.

So if the question was asked, what came first, the baby or the man, it was the man.

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exactly. thats all I have to say.

Maybe the Egg came first.
Why?
Perhaps a distant relative of the Chicken (On the Evolutionary line) all of the sudden laid an egg with a mutation.
Out of the egged popped a CHICKEN!
Who then laid the rest of the eggs.

No, because God made Adam and Eve, and then all the animals. And because Chickens are mentioned in any time you care to name, they must have existed in the beginning, and therefor since all animals were created adults at the beginning, the chicken had to have come first.

trust me, this video will tell you all you need to know.

also, creationism is poor evidence because it can't be proven. I'm not saying "oh you are so wrong creationism is a load" I'm saying that it makes little sense to tell someone that they're wrong by using evidence that hasn't been proven. also, this is something you probably should check out. a different take on the 7 days of creation

7 days is from viewpoint anyways, cause a day in the life of a being for which time has no meaning can only be interpreted by those of which time has meaning.
ie, the best way to explain that a process took a million years to someone that only understands a premise of say 100 years is to explain it in terms that they understand.
to a being that time is meaningless or not important, a million years is "no time at all".
to a man a day is "no time at all" therefore it is easier to say 1 day instead of a million years.

this is proven by the fact that god said to adam and eve that they would die in a day, but they lived for a thusand odd years, proving that 1 of gods days is at least a thousand years.

well, that was pointless, but i felt like sharing

EGG FIRST! YEAH, EGGS ROCK!
i've given my reasons

i wish someone would check out the video. it will explain all

Originally posted by ziggy

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i wish someone would check out the video. it will explain all

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yes, i agree with ziggy 100%, everyone should watch this video.

If you believe in evolution, new species are created through mutated genes which evolve slowly from one type of organism to another.

That being said, the first "chicken" as we know it today was actually the offspring of two non chickens, let's call these non-chickens "dodophites".

The two dodophites, mating like only two randy dodophites could, created the offspring which due to the mutation of the genes during the actual of conception, created in fact the very first chicken.

Now... CONCEPTUALLY, at that very moment in time, the chicken came before the egg because the conception of the chicken was NOT the egg, but in fact the organism to be. That being said, it is clear that chicken came first.

I also argue the the egg that carried the first chicken was NOT a chicken egg, but was in fact a dodophite egg. The egg is not a result of the genetic code of the offspring. The egg is still coded with dodophite DNA. In fact it is probable that the rest dodophites' offspring did not have mutated DNA and were still dodophites.

Now... what was the question again?

Interesting take...
But, if you think about it, when we say "What came first?", my way of thinking is "What was born, or came into existance in the outside world, first?".
So, yes, the organism of the mutated "dodophite" (The Chicken) came first, but the egg was brought into existance that opened up to have a chicken.
Also, whatever comes out of the egg is how the egg is classified. Thus, if a dodophite came out, it's a Dodophite egg. Vice versa. Even though the dodophite itself laid the egg, it's coded for a Chicken hatching out, thus it's a Chicken egg, not a Dodophite egg.

Neyro,

But you attaching the actual dodophites egg to the organism. The dodophite's egg is NOT coded to hatch a chicken. The egg's coding has nothing to do with the chicken's coding. THAT coding came about because of the mutation of the DNA upon conception.

The question becomes: does the egg play a role in the conception? I say it does not. The conception is a one time occurence. The DEVELOPMENT of the zygote to embryo would be impacted by the condition of the egg... but the chicken was going to be a chicken before the environment "changed" it. A dodophite that is born a dodophite and then mutates during the development into a chicken, is not a chicken, but in fact just a mutated dodophite.

I think you misunderstand me.

What I ment was, during whatever mating happens, the new organism that begins forming, upon being formed, has an error in it's chromosomes or something whitch cause a mutation to occur. This in turn would lead to a mutated embryo, mutated Zygote, and eventually, a chicken.

Or I'm not getting what you mean...

the zygote would be the egg/sperm cells. they wouldn't mutate. also, a chromosomal error probably would result in death or a "special" creature. I'd say codon shifts would be more likely to create new species...

anyway, the question we're dealing with here is actually the evolution v. creation controversy. The egg would come first if you believe in evolution (the egg eventually reveals a chicken). The chicken would come first if you believe in creation (because the chicken was created whole first without an egg). that being said, the egg came first.

also, seriously, watch the video

the chicken came first simple as that

Originally posted by zhoutai

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the chicken came first simple as that

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but where did the chicken come from?
remember, this is what came first, chicken or egg, it doesnt specify that the egg has to be a chicken egg

just watch it. it will answer any questions that you might have

No... creation says the chicken comes first, and evolution says the chicken comes first.

I think there is a difference between a mutated dodophite, and a chicken.

1. A mutated dodophite is a dodophite that mutates into someelse DURING the celluar division.
2. A chicken is going to be a chicken from the the moment of conception.

the question asks which came first, the chicken or the egg that will hatch the chicken. it is implied that the egg is a future chicken egg.

the chicken coming first means that the chicken was created without an egg at first (creationism, God created the chicken that then became able to have the egg after being created). the egg coming first means that the mutations that caused the dodophite to become a chicken happened in the egg, and what hatched was the chicken (evolution, the dodophite evolved during cell division or other processes that occurred before hatching)

the link is to the video, click my post

Yes but, the mutation during the cellular division would TURN it into what we see and define it today as a "Chicken".
It may be a mutated Dodophite, but it's also a new species FROM that mutation: A Chicken.

Also, Ziggy, chill with the video. We get it.

but the egg that would hatch a chicken comes before the chicken itself.

also, did anyone (besides DH) even see the video? doubt it

The egg would NOT come first. The egg would come first as far as from someone's viewpoint from a distance, but truly the chicken would come before that.

A change at conception is where the change takes place... and even IF the mutation occurred during the devlopment, the at the conception, the organism was somehow predisposed to mutate, and therefore would have something different at conception anyway!