Originally posted by Elara

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Hentai is so much better! No crack whores in hentai!

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Do you know how easy that would be to change?

Are you Kidding? Cool Devices features a drug called "Yellow Star". Look for another anime called Kite and yet another called S.E.Lain featured a drug called "Accel", which allowed it's abusers to jack in to the wireless internet, where ghosts played in the machine... But that one wasn't even hentai!

Ahh, Anime. =)

Originally posted by Lowell

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Are you Kidding? Cool Devices features a drug called "Yellow Star". Look for another anime called Kite and yet another called S.E.Lain featured a drug called "Accel", which allowed it's abusers to jack in to the wireless internet, where ghosts played in the machine... But that one wasn't even hentai!

Ahh, Anime. =)

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Cool Devices and Kite would be considered hentai.

"The term "hentai" may also be used outside of Japan to refer to pornographic animation in general that is not necessarily anime or manga. This is most often the case if the said animation is an imitation of a pre-existing cartoon or character (e.g. Princess Jasmine hentai)." ~ Wikipedia

Did I not say that? o.o

Lowizzle.... Interesting...

Its like this... After "eating the apple".. It made things awkward... Like now he realizes that shes "exposing herself"... because thats where babies come from..... Get where I'm coming from? They finally realize what the body parts do, and that they are private, and should be covered.. If there is no marriage in Eden, then there is no Sex... So having sex, means they must get married n stuff... Catch my drift homedizzle?

Pretend I'm three. Explain this whole 'marriage' thing again.

If I stick a certain part of my body inside a certain part of someone else's body, then I have to swear to always be with that person, and share my house and half of my assets with them (or already have sworn)? But only if that person is female. And then when she has a baby, we realize that the baby probably isn't going to want to see our naughty bits, so we cover them? But it didn't seem like there was any baby involved in the Eden story. It seemed like they "ate the apple wink wink nudge nudge" and then an instant later they put leafs on themselves. Who would they have to be worried about? God? God made them. God's seen it before. The snake? What, you think the snake's gonna bite something off?

*shakes head* Umm... wait...

When a doggie and another doggie do the deed, do they need to be married first?
Or rather, what makes humans so different?

I have only heard one satisfactory answer to that question, and this is that God(s)[Elohim] are really Aliens, who were using Humans as a semi-intelligent species for DNA manipulation and DNA breeding paradigms. That would explain VERY WELL why Leviticus is full of "Thou shalt not sleep with animals (because you'll catch animal viruses) or the dead (because they have pathogens in them) or your siblings (because that pollutes the DNA lineage in ways you won't comprehend for 2000 years, we don't want too much inbreeding in our experiments) or anybody who's not your wife actually. In fact, don't even masturbate "spill your seed" or sleep with men because we only want the best results in this experiment we're undertaking.

Genisis 2:20-25
So Adam gave names to all cattle, to the birds of the air, and to every beast of the field. But for Adam there was not found a helper comparable to him. And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man.
And Adam said:
“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

Originally posted by Bookworm

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Genisis 2:20-25
Adam names the animals. But apparently, he needs help doing it? God knocks Adam unconscious; and dissects a bone out of him, and sutures him back up. God clones a female human from the bone marrow, and puts them together.
Adam says (Because he must have known what was going on, you can't tell this kinda stuff if you're asleep) :
“This is now bone of my bones
And flesh of my flesh;
She shall be called Woman,
Because she was taken out of Man.”

Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh. And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.

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I don't get that last part. I can't seem to paraphrase it, if you leave verses out. Quit omitting stuff from your bible quotes, KThx.

Or are you trying to tell me that the Roman Catholic church omitted the stuff from the bible during the dark ages when they had free reign over what parts got copied and what parts didn't? Because although I don't WANT to believe that "the church" could do any wrong, they WERE called the DARK ages for a reason.

A creature with more advanced understanding than you rips out your rib. That means that you leave your family and have sex? WHY? Before eve, there wasn't even a Father AND mother, were there? So how does the Father and Mother have validity in that statement? I can see how deities invent females, so males can have sex with them, apparently the bible makes females out to be sex objects too.

Apparently with my advanced understanding of how things work on this planet compared to every other planet... "The Gods" invented Males. Females already existed, and have existed since Amoebas. Look at the biological evidence;
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx == Female
XXXXXXXyXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx == Female with Downs Syndrome
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxy == Male
In the biological world, the little "y" is called a "Trisomy" and is a genetic defect. However, what is interesting to note that the lowercase x's are all "inactivated chromosomes". Humans don't need them, they're just backup copies. In normal trisomys, the y's are active, but there are no X's of that same chromosome active to 'back them up', so to speak. In males, however, we have 24 active chromosomes. We have an active X chromosome to 'back us up'. If we didn't, we would not have the facilities to be fully alive. Bits and pieces of our bodies would be missing. We might be missing a few more ribs too, oddly enough. Everything in the y is "in addition to" the X next to it. That means, for all intents and purposes, we are female, plus a modification.

When God created Adam in the garden of eden, He was building off of a template. 'Eve' as a concept had already existed. God made Adam because that was the hard part. That was something brand new in the universe. Cloning Eve from a rib, that was the easy part.

I understand you only quoted the rest of it so you could get to the 'naked and not ashamed' bit. I thank you for that. But the rest triggered this little insight on human history. Hope you enjoyed the lesson.

Lowell: what is your point?

are you advocating mass nudity? or are you just suggesting that pornography should be okay because at one time Adam and Eve were naked?

your entire argument seems rather silly to me

PORN BREAKS COMMANDMENTS. Thou shalt not make a graven image of the likeness of god. Mankind was made in the likeness of God. Therefore, do not make graven images of Mankind. (Unless they're clothed? Probably not even then! Ask your local pastor.)

I'm just saying, why does sex (or apples) make people wear clothes? It's just silly.
If you're naked, don't take pictures. That's against God's law.

it wasn't the apple itself.... Adam and Eve broke a commandment when they partook of the FORBIDDEN fruit. This brought sin into the world.... and at the same time brought pain, sickness and death. It also brought the opposites into the world like happiness, joy and birth.

Shame itself is as natural as eating. Sure, as a 2 year old you don't care if you are naked, but I doubt you could find too many people that are comfortable being naked in front of very many people.Yeah, there are some, but they are hard to come by.

Nudity is not "natural"... sure, you were born that way.... but how are you supposed to get dressed inside a uterus?

I think you are stretching the commandment about the graven image beyond what it is supposed to entail. Not in a bad way, but I think the commandment concerning adultery suits this conversation better.

When Jesus lived he said that to even think about another woman (or man) sexually was considered bad, even if the physical act never took place. Pornography (and nudity) encourage these sorts of thoughts. I'm not disagreeing with you if you are saying that pornography is sinful. I think it is. I guess I just have a hard time following your arguments or something.... I dunno

Originally posted by Lowell

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A creature with more advanced understanding than you rips out your rib. That means that you leave your family and have sex? WHY? Before eve, there wasn't even a Father AND mother, were there? So how does the Father and Mother have validity in that statement? I can see how deities invent females, so males can have sex with them, apparently the bible makes females out to be sex objects too.

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Father and Mother in this statment is valid when looking ahead to future generations. Even if there was no meaning for the words Father and Mother at the point, there was after they were spoken.

If you are still confused, think of it this way: The Father meaning God, and the Mother meaning God.

And, it does not depict females as sex objects. Everythings connected, sorry but this requires quotes.

Ephesians 5:23-25
"For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,"

Colossians 3:17-19
"And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him. Wives, submit to your own husbands, as is fitting in the Lord. Husbands, love your wives and do not be bitter toward them."

I hope that clears a few things up for you.

Originally posted by geeogree

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When Jesus lived he said that to even think about another woman (or man) sexually was considered bad, even if the physical act never took place. Pornography (and nudity) encourage these sorts of thoughts. I'm not disagreeing with you if you are saying that pornography is sinful.

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What if you're single? You're not allowed to look at the selection? Try picking a fruit from the produce section without looking at it first. Then eat it without washing it or cutting off the bad parts. Try not to throw up.

Originally posted by geeogree

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I think you are stretching the commandment about the graven image beyond what it is supposed to entail.

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Am I really? What is it "supposed" to entail? And who's to say that God did not choose me to be a prophet? Where is it written that a prophet has to be 90 years old? I bet you didn't know that I had gray hair since I was 6, did you?

Originally posted by geeogree

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Nudity is not "natural"... sure, you were born that way.... but how are you supposed to get dressed inside a uterus?

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D= Nudity is not "natural"? How so?
In a perfect world, we would all live in gardens. Would we need shoes in a perfect world? Sandals, at the most, I would think. Would we need shirts if the weather was always nice? People on the beach don't wear them. At the most, people might want supporting garments, but who's to say that clothing can't be clear? Have you ever seen Back to the Future 2? Ties are clear and made of plastic. Sun visors are pretty translucent too when you think about it.

Originally posted by geeogree

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I doubt you could find too many people that are comfortable being naked in front of very many people.Yeah, there are some, but they are hard to come by.

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You doubt I could? "Before European Settlement, although they habitually went naked, animal grease, simple necklaces and ochre were used for for adornment, while sewn skins were used for clothing during the cold winters.", and lets not get me started on all the Nudist colonies and Nude Beaches that exist. My ex-fiancee who passed away of cancer in 2004 also enjoyed being naked. And who's to say what entails nudity? If you take your shirt off, aren't you being indecently naked? If you're a chick, apparently the answer is yes, regardless of whether or not you're flat-chested.

Originally posted by geeogree

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it wasn't the apple itself.... Adam and Eve broke a commandment when they partook of the FORBIDDEN fruit.

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How many commandments were there at that time? What, only one?

[Here's a big red button]
Do not push the big red button!

Again, what sort of omniscient deity actually MAKES A FEMALE FOR A MALE, makes them BOTH NAKED, and then says "Oh, by the way, don't have sex."... Um, ahem, I mean, "Don't eat the apple!"

Even if it was "sex out of wedlock", do your recall there being a church in the garden? Do you recall god ever explaining to our poor ancestors that they have to go into the church before they have sex? God didn't explain the rules And then punished us.

How about I smack you in the face?
Why? Oh, because... NO REASON. YOU DONT HAVE TO KNOW.
Sorry, Just playing God here.

Originally posted by Bookworm

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Father and Mother in this statment is valid when looking ahead to future generations. Even if there was no meaning for the words Father and Mother at the point, there was after they were spoken. If you are still confused, think of it this way: The Father meaning God, and the Mother meaning God.

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Which part of the trinity is the father, and which part is the mother?

Originally posted by Bookworm

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And, it does not depict females as sex objects. Everythings connected, sorry but this requires quotes.

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Doesn't it? If the bible doesn't say specifically that everything's connected, you're not supposed to believe it. That's sacreligious. And it depicts very much. "Adam didn't have a suitable plaything. So God made Eve."

Originally posted by Bookworm

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Ephesians 5:23-25

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(This is nowhere near Genesis 1:28.)

Originally posted by Bookworm

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Colossians 3:17-19

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(This is nowhere near Genesis 1:28.)

Originally posted by Bookworm

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I hope that clears a few things up for you.

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Yeah, um, where's the part where God told Adam the rules?

Lowell: "Yeah, um, where's the part where God told Adam the rules?"

Genesis 2:15-17
'Then the LORD God took the man and put him in the garden of Eden to tend and keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, “Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”'

Lowell: "And who's to say that God did not choose me to be a prophet?"

Matthew 24:10-12
"And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another. 11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold."

Mark 13:21-23
"“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘Look, He is there!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. But take heed; see, I have told you all things beforehand."

2 Peter 3:3-4
"knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.”"

Lowell: "In a perfect world..."

In a perfect world... that would be a relavent if it was an options, but from what I've been reading... its not going to happen soon.

You've twisted almost everything in this thread, after a while you'll run out of phrases to twist.

If Jesus rose up again, you would turn him away claiming him to be a false prophet.
Matthew 25:40. Thank you very much.

Genesis 2:15-17 contradict the bible itself. Adam didn't die, therefore he must not have eaten from that tree. If Adam did eat from that tree, he would be dead.

Read the book a little more. Maybe you'll find some truth to it. Most likely not, if you don't open your mind and put it all in context.

Originally posted by Lowell

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If Jesus rose up again, you would turn him away claiming him to be a false prophet.
Matthew 25:40. Thank you very much.

Genesis 2:15-17 contradict the bible itself. Adam didn't die, therefore he must not have eaten from that tree. If Adam did eat from that tree, he would be dead.

Read the book a little more. Maybe you'll find some truth to it. Most likely not, if you don't open your mind and put it all in context.

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There is not contradiction there. You're as bad a the evolutionists, taking something from one place and taking something from another and saying there's a contradiction.

You're saying Adam didn't die... Genesis 3:6-7 states,
"When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it. Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves."

And also Genesis 5:3-5
"When Adam had lived 130 years, he had a son in his own likeness, in his own image; and he named him Seth. After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters. Altogether, Adam lived 930 years, and then he died."

You can't contradict the Old Testament with the New Testament; b/c everything written in the bible is based on the Genesis record being totaly accurate.

The site this artical is from has a lot of information on the reliability of the Genesis record; The Da Vinci Code: Secret hidden truth?.

Adam didn't die. He was cast out of the garden.

What, you think it meant "You'll surely die someday" and that Adam would have lived forever? Who is being silly now?

God did not state the time in which Adam would die, but he did curse him because of his sin.

Genesis 3:16-24
"To the woman he said,
"I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing;
with pain you will give birth to children.
Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you."

To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat of it,'
"Cursed is the ground because of you;
through painful toil you will eat of it
all the days of your life.

It will produce thorns and thistles for you,
and you will eat the plants of the field.

By the sweat of your brow
you will eat your food
until you return to the ground,
since from it you were taken;
for dust you are
and to dust you will return."

Adam named his wife Eve, because she would become the mother of all the living. The LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife and clothed them. And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever." So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken. After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life."

Edit: Read 1-4 of Genesis and I wou't have to post much more on the subject.

I've read it b4, I didnt get the whole, flaming sword thing, it would be cool to see though.

I agree with you BW.
And I think what he ment about the having to work the soil, is he'l have to farm his own food, not have it given to him. If you know what i mean, but i think its what you were saying at the end.

The "flaming sword" thing only makes sense in the sense of "lightsabers". In fact, that's the only way the entire thing makes sense.

Adam and Eve live on the UFO (aka Floating Garden aka Galbadia Garden) with God (aka Squall Leonhart). The UFO has food replicators, sick bays full of medicinal advancements, etc, etc.

Squall tells our Hero and Heroine, "Now guys, don't have sex out there. You're busy on the job naming the animals. I'll know if you have sex too, because not only do I have infrared detectors, but Eve's a virgin and she'll bleed everywhere. If you break this rule, I'll kick you outta the project, and you'll lose all the benefits of eternal life in space."

Obviously, they break the rule, because hey, these body parts of ours feel great. Chalk one up to Squalls stupidity making one male and one female. WTF did you think was gonna happen, Squall? You can't leave a boy and a girl alone on a planet and not expect that. Grr, I'd backhand you if I didn't know any better.

To the woman, he said "I can't stand the thought of people having sex onboard my spacecraft. Because you don't have access to the sick bay anymore, you're going to have to give childbirth (To that child you just concieved) naturally, and you don't know what plants can be used as anasthesia. Haha, you suck."

To the man, he said "Because you had sex with that harlot, the mother of humankind, which also sucks, You're gonna have to make your own food cause you're not getting my replicators. I told you, I can't stand the thought of people having sex onboard my spacecraft. I suggest Agriculture. Shepherds never get anywhere in life, and eventually starve to death. It'll be even worse once mankind invents the ASPCA. I'd better send the Messiah before that point, or God Knows what'll happen!"

Man was then kicked out of the floating garden, and Jedi Knights were posted at the gate.

Now go back and read Genesis and tell me, which one makes more sense. Keep in mind that God Knows where the Garden of Eden is, but it's obviously not on Earth anymore. Keep also in mind that the goldfish has over 100 chromosomes, and mankind has only 46.