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Doesn't mean cloning will. Computers become cheaper because it become cheaper to manufactor them... Can you say the same for cloning? And if so can you say by much?
Doesn't mean cloning will. Computers become cheaper because it become cheaper to manufactor them... Can you say the same for cloning? And if so can you say by much?
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Money shouldn't even matter. Its the moral dilmea
Money shouldn't even matter. Its the moral dilmea
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The fact that it is Morally wrong? Do you mean.
The fact that it is Morally wrong? Do you mean.
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I think what he means is that we shouldn't decide to clone or not based on cost...

we should decide to do it or not because we can justify it morally.... or not justify it....
I think what he means is that we shouldn't decide to clone or not based on cost...

we should decide to do it or not because we can justify it morally.... or not justify it....
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Ok i get it, but if it were up to the government... any goverernment they would approve if it were successful... thats what i reckon... More money for them cause clones will work cheaer... Like on Star Wars... (Yesh i know bad reference)
Ok i get it, but if it were up to the government... any goverernment they would approve if it were successful... thats what i reckon... More money for them cause clones will work cheaer... Like on Star Wars... (Yesh i know bad reference)
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Not ours, bush hopefully will stop human cloaning from happening.
Not ours, bush hopefully will stop human cloaning from happening.
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Yeah but with his decision to go to war and all of the killed he most likely wont last long... Then what? You guys could get some jerk who thinks it would be great and cheap and save the government tonnes of money.
Yeah but with his decision to go to war and all of the killed he most likely wont last long... Then what? You guys could get some jerk who thinks it would be great and cheap and save the government tonnes of money.
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presidents serve in 4 year terms. With a max number of terms of 2, and he is on his second term (cuz he got re-elected) so he wont last past this term, yes.... anyways

You seem to have quite a bit of prejudice against the united states like we are the root of all that is evil or something. Then on top of that you act as if they whole country wants 'some jerk it would be great and cheap and save the government tonnes of money.'
presidents serve in 4 year terms. With a max number of terms of 2, and he is on his second term (cuz he got re-elected) so he wont last past this term, yes.... anyways

You seem to have quite a bit of prejudice against the united states like we are the root of all that is evil or something. Then on top of that you act as if they whole country wants 'some jerk it would be great and cheap and save the government tonnes of money.'
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U.S.A. has done too much... as in overstepped their authority by intervening in other countries matters... Its not right... If countries are under a dictator rule, then wait for a revolution.... not invade and give 'em corrupt leaders, just cause they're democratic...

Speaking of which... evil countries would use cloning to dominate the world... so you'd would need to stop it now or fight with clones...

so stopping it would be logical...

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U.S.A. has done too much... as in overstepped their authority by intervening in other countries matters... Its not right... If countries are under a dictator rule, then wait for a revolution.... not invade and give 'em corrupt leaders, just cause they're democratic...

Speaking of which... evil countries would use cloning to dominate the world... so you'd would need to stop it now or fight with clones...

so stopping it would be logical...

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Yes, i deffinatly agree. We should stop helping. No more aid to africa. No more relief to disaster victims. Stop helping the weak from oppression. Stop economic aid. Take all our outsourced jobs away from them. No more helping at all! For it is wrong of us to do. We have helped too much. We need to let other countries do far less then us. Its not fair that they have to be in envy.[/sarcasm]
Yes, i deffinatly agree. We should stop helping. No more aid to africa. No more relief to disaster victims. Stop helping the weak from oppression. Stop economic aid. Take all our outsourced jobs away from them. No more helping at all! For it is wrong of us to do. We have helped too much. We need to let other countries do far less then us. Its not fair that they have to be in envy.[/sarcasm]
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Originally posted by Belial
Well, if Hitler was cloned 1,000 times, would that still mean we'd have 1,000 Hitler personalities? O.o

But I say no to it. There are too many people on this planet as it is.
long time no see belial, last time i talked to you i got my ass kicked in a Debate with you and jin ^^, anyway, yes, we have enough people on this planet, besides... cloning for organs... that would be wrong, cuz even though you made the clone, doesn't mean you own it. It's like a mother saying, i made the child, i can do whatever the hell i want with it ^^

No, I think cloning would be disturbing, and god knows that cloning could be used for negative purposes... think of the possibilities... lol jk
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Well, if Hitler was cloned 1,000 times, would that still mean we'd have 1,000 Hitler personalities? O.o

But I say no to it. There are too many people on this planet as it is.
long time no see belial, last time i talked to you i got my ass kicked in a Debate with you and jin ^^, anyway, yes, we have enough people on this planet, besides... cloning for organs... that would be wrong, cuz even though you made the clone, doesn't mean you own it. It's like a mother saying, i made the child, i can do whatever the hell i want with it ^^

No, I think cloning would be disturbing, and god knows that cloning could be used for negative purposes... think of the possibilities... lol jk
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we will be the creators of our own demise. Eventually someday we are gonna need a cheap or free labor force, so we could create clones or robots to do work for us, and soemday then we are gonna make one wrong, like an evil clone, or a bad robot and its gonna flip out and kill everybody with the new plasma nuclear bombs or w/e we have by that time

(watch the animatrix to udnerstand better)(sept they never blew up the earth with a nuke, lol)
we will be the creators of our own demise. Eventually someday we are gonna need a cheap or free labor force, so we could create clones or robots to do work for us, and soemday then we are gonna make one wrong, like an evil clone, or a bad robot and its gonna flip out and kill everybody with the new plasma nuclear bombs or w/e we have by that time

(watch the animatrix to udnerstand better)(sept they never blew up the earth with a nuke, lol)
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Hmmmm perhaps before they have the poloticians deciede on what to do about cloning they should all sit down and watch the anime's having to do with cloning, cyborgs, and all the human breed types. Perhaps full metal alch in particular.
Hmmmm perhaps before they have the poloticians deciede on what to do about cloning they should all sit down and watch the anime's having to do with cloning, cyborgs, and all the human breed types. Perhaps full metal alch in particular.
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I think that cloning, just like many things in life, have both risks and benifits. I think that if the benifits outway the risks then they should go ahead with it. Even if it is morrally wrong If the government wants to do it they will do it, whether we have a say or not.
I think that cloning, just like many things in life, have both risks and benifits. I think that if the benifits outway the risks then they should go ahead with it. Even if it is morrally wrong If the government wants to do it they will do it, whether we have a say or not.
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But putting a side whats morels, what about the possibility of genetic flux. There doesnt have to be much wrong for this to happen. Just the smallest calculation and its all over.

And im not saying that this will happen, if it does happen it will be a bad thing or in any case that we shouldnt do cloning. I think we need to be more realistic. Despite what humans think they know, we know nothing compared to knowing everything. There are more then just the obvious human features passed through Genetics.

(also, wow this thread is old )
But putting a side whats morels, what about the possibility of genetic flux. There doesnt have to be much wrong for this to happen. Just the smallest calculation and its all over.

And im not saying that this will happen, if it does happen it will be a bad thing or in any case that we shouldnt do cloning. I think we need to be more realistic. Despite what humans think they know, we know nothing compared to knowing everything. There are more then just the obvious human features passed through Genetics.

(also, wow this thread is old )
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old indeed... hasn't it gotten to the point they're making individual organs... or at least 1 ( i think a lung for some reason) in south america somewhere (i sound really crazy... maybe i dreamt it) ... i heard on the news somewhere... dont go quoting me

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1740879.stm
old indeed... hasn't it gotten to the point they're making individual organs... or at least 1 ( i think a lung for some reason) in south america somewhere (i sound really crazy... maybe i dreamt it) ... i heard on the news somewhere... dont go quoting me

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1740879.stm
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There is also one other major problem about cloning. Every time you clone a clone some of the genetic pattern is lost. If the human race became completely dependant on cloning after several generations we would begin creating incurable deseases that would come from those lost DNA strands. Eventually the human race would die out unless we found a way to bypass that.
There is also one other major problem about cloning. Every time you clone a clone some of the genetic pattern is lost. If the human race became completely dependant on cloning after several generations we would begin creating incurable deseases that would come from those lost DNA strands. Eventually the human race would die out unless we found a way to bypass that.
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Wait.. has anyone thought of why to clone people?
To make other body parts.. maybe.. But they can use stem cells (and not just ones from embrios) to repair any body tissue.
Wait.. has anyone thought of why to clone people?
To make other body parts.. maybe.. But they can use stem cells (and not just ones from embrios) to repair any body tissue.
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I guess if clonnin was used on a celluar level it wouldnt be a threat to genetic flux, not at that level. Good idea. Stemcell Clonning. So if your injured or something, they can take a little bit off you and clone it. Put it back into you and BAM healing time
I guess if clonnin was used on a celluar level it wouldnt be a threat to genetic flux, not at that level. Good idea. Stemcell Clonning. So if your injured or something, they can take a little bit off you and clone it. Put it back into you and BAM healing time
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Stemcells arnt cloning. Stem cells are just special cells thatn can become any cell in the human body. Thats why they can repair muscle damage or help in the brain.

Cloning the human race as apposed to natuaral breeding would ruin us. So far we've ruined ourselves a bit.
Humans arnt ment to cook the red meat, were ment to eat it raw. We arnt ment to drink milk from anything but our mother. These 2 changes alone have changed us as a species. A serious problem is the fact that some people cover themselves from head to toe are not getting essentual vitamins from the sun (D and something else), and they are ultimatly changing there genetic makeup and ruining their race.
Stemcells arnt cloning. Stem cells are just special cells thatn can become any cell in the human body. Thats why they can repair muscle damage or help in the brain.

Cloning the human race as apposed to natuaral breeding would ruin us. So far we've ruined ourselves a bit.
Humans arnt ment to cook the red meat, were ment to eat it raw. We arnt ment to drink milk from anything but our mother. These 2 changes alone have changed us as a species. A serious problem is the fact that some people cover themselves from head to toe are not getting essentual vitamins from the sun (D and something else), and they are ultimatly changing there genetic makeup and ruining their race.
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