I'm sorta against it, unless the criminal is like Bin Ladden or somethin.

If you kill someone, i believe you forfit your life. You have no right to live.

Originally posted by John

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If you kill someone, i believe you forfit your life. You have no right to live.

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Than how about you vote? Every vote counts

I'm against it. There has been 0 evidence verifying that it actually discourages criminals. There has been evidence saying that areas with the death penalty have higher crime rates. So its basically a bad thing.

I actually heard area's WITH the death penalty have a lower crime rate. The highest crime states dont have the death penalty.

I'm not entirly for it, but if their gonna be in prison, I think prison should be worse than what it is. The prison's now days are just a shelter it seems like. I mean, one of my friends brother was in prison, and he said he was better off in prison because life was easier.

First of all it saves money. Less time we have to house these killers and thugs.
Second its not all about discouraging criminals. Did it ever occur to you that maybe it is the right thing to do?

"Undecided".

I'm really not for killing and death at all though.

But yeah, people like Bin Laden and such, can sometimes believe "they're dieing for their god" or something, so they deserve it.

im undecided cause i think its wrong but then i think what about those who kill alot of people then have no remorse see those are the ones that deserve it.

I don't really agree with it, but I don't know all the facts, so I'm undecided..

Only for the bad ass criminals, thats just me, I guess thats all I have to say?

I am for the death penalty only because there is situations where severity of the crime allows for nothing else. Osama bin Ladin is not an American citizen so his case would be a lot more complicated, but as for US criminals anyone considered a serious threat to the public should be put down.

You guys are failing to realize the obvious... People who kill are bad criminals. What right do you have to live you take someone elses life? You dont have the right. You shouldn't have the privilage. You killed somone and they are never coming back, just because you were being a stupid f***. You die now and never come back. I believe this is what god would do.

To reiterate on what John said:

Would you killing a murderer make you any better than the person whom you are killing?

It's not necessarily a qeustion of being a better person or not. Once you imprison someone who is a threat to society and keep them there for life, you simply are going to run out of space on where to keep them. Giving the severity of our population growth I don't see this problem going away. When you run out space there is a tendency to release unrehibilitated prisoners. Giving it might be a small percentage of the prisoners released but they are still a threat to society. One solution would be to allow executions for the prisoners that are unrehabilitable. Another solution we could use is making practical laws. That is neither here nor there but this is my opinion on the death penalty.

Finally someone sees the light. Its hard to find someone who kinda thinks the same way as me on the board. Damn...

Yes but like i was saying. What right do you have to live if you kill someone? They are never coming back. They never get to see their family, friends, and loved ones EVER again. If you kill them think of all the things you are taking away from them and their family that they ARE NEVER EVER! gonna get back. Just think about that.

I am quite literally of two minds on this subject. On the one side, I think that killing is wrong and that you are no better than they are for killing them. That is my idealistic side.

My practical side, however, does see it's usefulness. Our prisons are overfilled even now, and they get fuller everday. This situation causes conflict with the prisoners, and fights break out. People get shanked in those fights and killed. In that reguard, the Death Penalty is more humane than being stabbed repeatedly with a fork. Also, it decreases the surplus population (which is actually a good thing) and takes some of the economic burden away.

California has the Death Penalty, but we still have a high crime rate. We also have one of the largest populations in the country... small space and lots of people causes conflict. A lot of our state budget goes to basically bribing the Federal Government because our prisons are over crowded and they charge so much for each extra prisoner to keep the places open.

So yeah, I'm both for and against it... but from a purely practical point of view I am for it.

An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life

I'm against it for the most part but some people just deserve to die (Timothy McVeigh).

Originally posted by Davideo7

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I actually heard area's WITH the death penalty have a lower crime rate. The highest crime states dont have the death penalty.

I'm not entirly for it, but if their gonna be in prison, I think prison should be worse than what it is. The prison's now days are just a shelter it seems like. I mean, one of my friends brother was in prison, and he said he was better off in prison because life was easier.

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Since I'm strongly against killing of any kind, save warfare, I believe that using the prisons to shelter criminals is a good thing because it also shelters the world from them. This way there is no death or crime from the individual and they still get to live the life they were given, even if it is restricted greatly.

Originally posted by John

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First of all it saves money. Less time we have to house these killers and thugs.
Second its not all about discouraging criminals. Did it ever occur to you that maybe it is the right thing to do?

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I don't like the thought of putting a value of someone's life, whether they be a theif, murderer, or a law-abiding citizen. I think the concept of the death penalty is used for this reason, however, and for discouraging criminals. I don't think it's used just because it's the right thing to do or else it wouldn't be limited as much as it is. I personally find the death penalty the wrong way to deal with things.

Originally posted by John

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You guys are failing to realize the obvious... People who kill are bad criminals. What right do you have to live you take someone elses life? You dont have the right. You shouldn't have the privilage. You killed somone and they are never coming back, just because you were being a stupid f***. You die now and never come back. I believe this is what God would do.

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You made a couple good, if not obvious, points here. But if you've killed someone I don't think your forfeiting your life. There are other ways of dealing with a murderer than murdering him/her yourself. And the way God deals with it comes when the time comes. There's no reason to play God and that's exactly what that statement of yours means.

Well, I used to see it the same way as my brother (Quiet Chaos) you know, someone's life is not in our hand's to take.. but i talked to my dad and he got me to thinking...the death penalty can be neccessary if the person is proved guilty for charges that show that neccessary. And only if they are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt...