Many people think of the word God as some entity which exists on a completely different dimension and when we die he judges us and sends us to heaven or hell. Now, does God from religion really exist or is he a scapegoat to control the masses? The God discussed in religion does not exist here on earth whether you believe in him or not he is non-existent on earth there is no disputing that.

Now lets take a look at religion. There are so many religions but 1 major flaw in them, they contradict each other. Has anyone ever considered that religion is like a product, some people like it and others don't? If you like one product but others don't they will bash you because of it. Religion is exactly like a product it was designed, packaged and sent to people to use. The only purpose for religion is belief from the believers view but put into consideration of who really benefits from it, God.

Who is this God we are talking about? This depends on the religion and the creator of it but let me put this into perspective. Without law there would be pure anarchy. So what happened was people got together and created religion to start controlling people. This is where the term God came from it was designed as a higher authority then you. Some people believe in this "God" but the creators of it know its fake so if they want to get the ball rolling they must establish an entity who is just as powerful as him, Government!

Government is an exact replica of God: judge, jury, and executioner. What better way to control the people then spitting out a religion and backing it up with an extremely powerful entity known as a Government? Sure some will believe God exists without a Government but there are many who wont believe it so the Government is the fail safe to it all.

Lets take a look at PURE contradiction. Pull out some paper money and you will see the words "In God We Trust" written on it (in USA). How in the heck can you trust this so called "God" entity when you have never seen it or talked to it? Exactly my point, "God" you cannot trust because the one people most often look at and think of is non-existent. It's a scapegoat or a mirage to the real God; Government.

Pause for one moment and pray to your god.... Did he reply?
Now try praying (calling) government.... There will be a reply!

See the logic in this so far? Now lets discuss the meat and bones, heaven & hell!

Heaven & Hell, like God, do NOT exist on Earth. The term "Heaven & Hell" is simply a metaphor describing what happens when you disobey "God", no not the one in religion, the one that is controlling your very life right now; Government!

Do good things and you can live freely in heaven (outside of prison walls) but do bad and get sent to hell (jail or prison). Just as described in religion, God is forgiving just like Government. But there are some sins that are too bad for him to forgive your for so he throws you in hell for eternity (jail or prison for the rest of you life).

Still not convinced? Let's take a look at judgment. Ever hear the term "Only God can judge you"? If that is true when why can Government also judge you? This is another contradiction. Why would you be judged twice? Why would God judge you based on life when he has no control over it? Only Government can do that. It would not make sense for Government to judge you based on your afterlife would it? They can't really send you to heaven or hell after you die can they?

It's a two way mirror is what it is. Someone is jerking your stings and without you even knowing about it. You look at it as a one way mirror reflecting an image of yourself and believe that God exists above somewhere. But in reality, the people on the other side of the mirror are pretending to be god using a very deceptive tool to gain your trust. God can see and control all who live... well so can the people behind the two way mirrors; Government

I don't know about you guys but this seems to make perfect sense to me. I admit it is clever of them. You don't have to believe a word I say but maybe you should put into consideration of who is really "God" and who is pulling the strings around here

Everything I just listed are facts using real life objects and entities to describe God and religion in my own views. This is not about bashing me or you and your religion or god. It's simply about deception and waking up to the possibility that you might be one of those victims being screwed around. Just take it into consideration and don't be so quick to toss it in trash is all I'm trying to say. I know people will bash me to hell and back and say I'm full of it but its not about whose right or wrong its about realizing that this has high potential of being the real truth behind religion and God.

There's one thing that really stands out here.
You said "God is non existant." How can you be sure? Did you know that Albert Einstein and plenty of other acclaimed scientists believed in the existance of a higher power, a creator?
Your argument would be "logically correct", but the whole argument hinges on whether or not a God exists or not. So, what if you were wrong?
Heaven and Hell aren't on earth. No one ever said they were.
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Like I said in another completely different thread, there are somethings in the universe that defy our understanding of logic. How can you explain those?
I appreciate that you want to "set me free" from the "deception" as if you're doing me a favor. But you must understand how some people are really serious about religion. Calling it lies and deception isn't really being very helpful or thoughtful to anyone who's a Christian, let alone any religious person on this website.

I mentioned this in my first post. God does simply not exist on earth if he did we would sure as heck see him and be able to speak to him. He might exist on another dimension but this is reality we are talking about, actual life not afterlife. I'm only talking about what is present and what everyone can see for themselves not what they believe or what scientists predict.

Sure calling all religions fake might be going a bit far, but you have to put into consideration that if there is only one god then there cannot be multiple religions so its contradictions playing hot potato, I'm right your wrong talk.... If all religion was tossed and god was worshiped for who he is this would not be a problem, hence, the creation of this thread God == Government. Because whether you believe government or not, they do have very similar attributes to god so it appears they really are god or they are deceiving people into thinking they are god.

JigSaw : Christians believe that God is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient. So, technically, he would exist on Earth regardless of if you can see it or not.
Can you see the wind? no, but you can see its work in the fields and the forest and everything, as the trees and grass move to the wind.
Same concept. Can you see God? No, but as He is omnipotent, He created this world and He controls what happens on earth, and you can see that.
You never really did reply to what I said about how things defy our logic
And besides, even if he did "exist in another dimension" He's still reality nonetheless. It's not like if He was in another dimension He wouldn't be reality.
There can be multiple religions, but there can't be multiple religions that are correct.
And you're saying God is some sort of government marketing ploy used to control people? And then you say government is God? You're not making any sense

Well if you ever take a mass communications class you will learn that the very first or one of the very first forms of getting people to follow ones lead is by a book. Create it, duplicate it and distribute it to as many people as possible. That is how the world works today, its how business works.

Yes I do view religion as a marketing ploy just as I view every product on the market in similar fashion. You create something, make multiple copies, and distribute it to as many people as possible and you will get followers just like Britney Spears, Obama, Twitter, Toyota, hell everything you see works in similar fashion.

You must not have read my two way mirror section in my original post, it wont make sense until you understand the contradictions I listed and why Government could be God.

Fact of the matter is... it doesnt matter about what god exists beyond our realm. What matters is the god that DOES EXISTS on our realm is in control. I'm talking about the one that can send you to hell before you even die. The one that can judge you before you die. Government

You are standing one the other side of a two way mirror looking at your reflection. I am on the other side showing you that its an illusion, but you don't think Government and God are one entity you look at it as two. Just like the trinity, its a riddle

Actually I think there is a lot of dispute over whether God is really working. The fact people say that just because they cannot explain Gods actions or his attributes means he isn't here is a rather poor excuse in my opinion no offense against anyone who doesn't believe in God for those reasons. I think the reason why people don't see God as cheap as it sounds, comes down to ones faith.

This isn't about God working or not its about God in actual physical format.

Who do you call when your in trouble? Do you pray to god or call government?
When you commit a crime who punishes you? God or Government?
Who tells you what is wrong and what is right and who makes the laws? God or Government?

Government wins all 3 of those... hence, why I call them God. Nothing to do with faith its all about what exists in front of you whether you believe it or not it is there and your apart of the system. The very system that has be metaphorically transformed into reality.

No it does not win all 3 of those. It is a tie for the 3 of those. Not everybody calls government. God can use government to punish. And God does say laws and declares a fine line between right and wrong. Faith has a lot to do with it. It has nothing to do with not seeing God working. But it has a lot to do with not looking hard enough.

This is reality we are talking about. God can't force you to go to heaven or hell while your alive unless government is god. God can use government to punish??? That proves right there that government is god Faith might play a small role in punishment... but not a lot. Only thing I can think of is a priest molesting children and getting away with it while someone not religious would get punished for it. Other then that... no matter what religion you are you will be punished for crimes whether your religion thinks its right or wrong

Not saying god doesn't exist, I'm saying its a two way mirror, your looking in the sky while god is right there controlling your life in a physical format. That is the point of this

God can do anything he wants. It doesn't at all prove government is God. It proves that government is a tool God can use. In the end no one will get away with their crimes. God's Judgement will come in time, but just because someone got away with a crime does not mean they will not receive punishment for what they did. Regardless of what the government say's is wrong judgement from God will be far more terrible than anything government can conceive.

If government is a "tool" of space god then you are well deceived because I don't know how many times government has lied to the people and had them killed for no purpose other then greed. He sounds really nice and forgiving if that is the case

But let me ask you a question. If god lets you do as you please on your own free will why would he use government as a "tool" to punish when his purpose is to not punish people until after they die? That just provides another clue to the contradiction in hand that someone else is playing or pretending to be god but in living terms, not afterlife.

JigSaw : I might be the first one, but I agree with you

Yeah, government in the sense, is acting like God. Government acts like God in the sense where it fits into all the roles in which religion places God.

Hoochman : Like JigSaw said... Why would God use government? Isn't God supposed to punish by deciding heaven or hell after death???

septembern : Why do you ask me Gods motives? Just because I know of his actions does not mean I know why. I am a finite human. Therefore it would be a waste and very foolish for you or me to understand the motives of an infinite deity.

JigSaw : God uses things even if they lie and cheat. In regards to your question, it is not a contradiction. Sure God gives us the ability to make our own choices instead of making us robots. But our choices have consequences.

Hoochman : How do you know if there is a god? We really don't... So how can you know that God uses government? How do you know if good uses tools, or if most of his miracles in the bible are real??? "Therefore it would be a waste" to actually believe them in your words...

septembern : Yes, we can know there is a God. Look around you, look at the probabilities of all this happening the way it is, look at the many relationships that would have no time to form by chance and tell me with a straight face you can actually believe that God has no hand in this. And what Hoochman is saying is it's a waste to try and explain these things, he said nothing about believing being a waste.

JigSaw : God does use the government, but there is this thing called free will. God does not want to control us, so he gives us a message, a thought, some sort of click that says "I should do this, because this is right". But he stops there. He lets us choose what we do next, and then continues with His plan based on our choices.
Also, God does tell us right from wrong. In fact, if what the government says does not match up with God's instruction, any good believer would outright ignore the consequences from the government and follow God... and some people do go to God more than the government. So that's two out of three wins for God, and a tie due to humans' unwillingness to believe.

Hoochman : "God uses things even if they lie and cheat"... its things like that that make you wonder about who God really is, you make him sound more deceptive then caring. I've seen plenty of examples here on earth where people are labeled as the devil or bad guy when they are not. Isn't lieing and cheating a suppose to be a tool of the devil? I could see why it would benefit God or Government more after all once you have someones trust lieing to them is easy as breathing and they will not hesitate to believe it.

Sheep follow someone else's lead which means there is a higher probability of deception going on. Your a lot better off not being deceived by not following someone or something else.

bignatealpha : It's not that I do not believe it is that I believe truth is hidden by the blinders of society and being a sheep will lead you to a rabbit hole of deception. What I mean by truth being hidden is there are things in this world that sugar coat truth. Example: Makeup might make one look pretty but get to know them and they can be the most aweful person you ever met. Movies look perfect on screen but go behind the scenes and its all lies its a trick an illusion to fool you its real. Its no different in this case. Everything in life is a two-way mirror, good and evil, but when you think about it goats are the ones that are on the other side of the mirror and know what is going on while sheep look at the mirror and see an illusion of themself and or God.

septembern : Yay someone agrees Think its a first haha.

JigSaw : Out of context you take my quote. I said God can use something even if it lies or cheats, yet you make it out as I say that God uses Lying and cheating. There is not a high probability of God lying to you, there isn't even a probability. God does not benefit from lying as Satan does. He can use anything for good.






septembern : It is a waste not to believe in God. I wonder how it
feels believing you were created by accident from over millions and millions of years of evolution. Miracles and the quotes the bible make can be believed because they happened.

Hoochman : That last statement you made didn't make you sound high and mighty at all. Just because you can blindly believe something just because it's labeled with "These are Gods words" doesn't mean the rest of us are going to feel less about our lives because we don't.

Zamiel : I don't care if you're a moderator or a trusted member. Remember you're respect. It is not blind belief. I don't believe just because they're called Gods words. I believe in them because they actually happened.

Hoochman : I tend to get annoyed when people look down on other people because of their beliefs (whether you meant it to sound that way or not, the statement you made to semptembern sounded exactly like that to me, probably cause I was in a bad mood at the moment so sorry if I offended).

I see no difference in your last three sentences.