After Furret's dominant victory in the most recent Tour de Vizzed, I was wondering—is Furret now the Tour de Vizzed GOAT? He and SonicOlmstead are now tied for the most Rainbow Banner victories, and he has the record for most monthly Jersey victories, but he actually ranks 4th in total points, behind David, Sonic, and zanderlex.

In order to answer my question, I developed a new Tour de Vizzed stat that I am calling "Ultimate TdV Score."

Here is how it works:

Every TdV point = +1 to Ultimate TdV Score
Every Jersey = +10 to Ultimate TdV Score
Monthly Jersey victory = +250
White Banner victory = +200
Gray Banner victory = +200
Rainbow Banner victory = +1,000

The idea is that Ultimate TdV Score emphasizes winning, but it also takes into account consistency by including total points and daily jerseys. Winning is valued higher than consistency, however.

Monthly jerseys are valued higher than the White/Gray Banner because they have tougher competition, and are harder to win.

I spent a few hours calculating UTdV Score for a number of people, and I believe this is the full list of everyone that currently has an UTdV Score of 1,000 or higher:

1. Furret - 18,438
2. SonicOlmstead - 17,181
3. zanderlex - 15,142
4. Davideo7 - 8,953
5. tornadocam - 8,299
6. SacredShadow - 7,686
7. tgags123 - 7,570
8. Yuna1000 - 7,509
9. gamerforlifeforever - 7,095
10. EX Palen - 6,617
11. Mynamescox44 - 6,078
12. classgame - 5,886
13. Barathemos - 5,211
14. thing1 - 5,079
15. IgorBird122 - 4,868
16. supercool22 - 4,464
17. Singelli - 4,421
18. legacyme3 - 4,277
19. janus - 3,989
20. no 8120 - 3,908
21. becerra95 - 3,598
22. geeogree - 3,444
23. Pacman+Marionfan - 3,266
24. Zlinqx - 3,213
25. pacman1755 - 2,793
26. Ferdinand - 2,575
27. Dauntez - 2,574
28. EideticMemory - 2,526
29. vizwiz123 - 2,305
30. Lexatom - 2,164
31. septembern - 2,090
32. iN008 - 2,023
33. Eirinn - 1,970
34. Eniitan - 1,965
35. thudricdholee - 1,733
36. Jordanv78 - 1,282
37. pray75 - 1,195
38. daisukiusagi - 1,149
39. kramer4077 - 1,135
40. Lonalan - 1,036
41. Zircron Swift - 1,030
42. tRIUNE - 1,014

I'm happy with the outcome here; I think this stat does a good job of ranking overall Tour de Vizzed performance. According to UTdV Score, Furret is, indeed, the GOAT.

What do you guys think? I would love to hear if anyone has any thoughts/input/criticism on my methodology!

This is a really fun way to look at tdv stats to try and determine a GOAT and after the month Furret just had I can't really argue for myself I'm more concentrated in my performances but Furret is so consistent across the board where I can't think of any real argument for myself over him not that there's really a point.

That said I do think if we did this stat again in a few years it's probably likely I'll eventually overtake him as one of my goals on the site is to be the only user to be in the top 10 of every tdv this decade as despite what the hall of fame says if you go back and look at winter 2020 David wasn't top 10 so I am the only user so far to be top 10 every tdv since the 2020s started and I'd like to pay that off by continuing to compete a bit so if people in the future look at the hall of fame page they can just see I was here for all of them during this time period. That said David bringing back the 4 tdvs a year has definitely made it more challenging to want to do it every time but I'm committed to it.

What I do find interesting is the list past the top 4 I'm not sure if this is how I would rank everyone else for example I know SacredShadow doesn't have as many jerseys and such but I was shocked to see him ranked below tornadocam.

Also White and Gray are really hard cause now white isn't a hard thing to fight for because you just have to sign up and score a point most tdvs but I imagine it was harder back in the day when it was harder to score and the site was more active and I assume more new users were eligible. Gray why being introduced at a point where it's not hard to win is also interesting though cause after a year or 2 of it being around almost every active member could win it but then the longer you wait to go for it the more people take themselves out of contention for it.

P.S. Glad my wife made the cut.

This is a fun statistic. I'll probably lose this title to Sonic if he remains semi active, which he's said he will. For now though I'm putting TdV GOAT on my resume lol

One criticism/point I do think is important to mention is that TdV scores have become more and more inflated over the years due to the introduction of the 7 pointer mechanic as well as the overall decline in activity (and as a result the decline in competition). It was so competitive back in the day that people would win with scores below even 200 points. 7 pointers in Blue that I had this past competition wouldn't have even landed me in the top 5 most days of the old ones.

It's near impossible to fairly simulate this general site activity in a mathematical formula without going deep in the rabbit hole so this stat will always be more biased towards people competing in the past 10 years or so. Users like Singelli and legacyme3 who were top competitors back in the day realistically should be much much higher than they are right now if we're talking about GOAT contention.

Maybe some % based system of the results would work better in that regard, instead of their flat point total? Winner of a TdV = 100% (plus a flat score for winning), second place's score is decided by how close they got to the winner and so on. I.E. if someone wins with 150 points and second place has 100 points, they'd score 67%. If third place has 75 points, they'd score 50%. It would take longer to calculate but if you only count the top 10 of each TdV as an entry requirement it would be doable.

It's really too bad the TdV came after my big posting days. We used to do the VCS and I dominated that but I don't know how you would incorporate that into this.... wouldn't really work.

I do like it though. It does seem to fairly accurately represent who the best at the TdV is.

I'm honestly surprised that I was as high up as I was. I've only won one TdV and haven't competed in too many so to score that high was surprising.

​​Going to try and use my previously proposed percentage-point system in a small scale of the first competition. Some slight discrepancies might occur for people who won some extra jerseys in later competitions (I did count leggy’s and David’s for this example as their scores would have been ridiculously inflated otherwise)

Every %-point in relation to the winner = +5 to Ultimate TdV Score
Every Jersey = +10 to Ultimate TdV Score
Monthly Jersey victory = +250
White Banner victory = +200
Gray Banner victory = +200
Rainbow Banner victory = +1,000

UTdV Scores (Competition 1):

vizwiz123 - 500 (score was 245) + 310(J) + 750(M) + 1000(R) = 2560 UTdV points

legacyme3 - 382 (76.3% of winner) + 110(J) = 492 UTdV points

LazloFalconi - 357 (71.4% of winner) + 190(J) + 200(W) = 747 UTdV points

ZircronSwift - 271 (54.3% of winner) + 230(J) + 250(M) = 751 UTdV points

Someone70 - 263 (52.7% of winner) + 100(J) = 363 UTdV points

rcarter2 - 192 (38.3% of winner) + 50(J) = 242 UTdV points

ArgusSwift - 159 (31.8% of winner) + 80(J) = 239 UTdV points

Davideo7 - 120 (24% of winner) + 20(J) = 140 UTdV points

Hawaiianbabidoll - 82 (16.3% of winner) + 30(J) = 112 UTdV points

YourMajestyKen - 73 (14.7% of winner) + 20(J) = 93 UTdV points

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I feel like this works better than the flat score one, or at least it's more fair when you weigh scores against site activity/competition. A TdV winner's winning score is reflective of the competition, so having them be equal and trickling the remaining top 10 based on how close they got to that season's winner makes more sense to me. It also removes the 7 pointer issue entirely.

Dominant winners still get an edge over the others with things like jersey and monthly jersey wins.

You are absolutely correct about more recent competitions having inflated point totals due to 7-pointers and less competition. This is one of the reasons that I used flat numbers for the banners and Jerseys, and why I gave more weight to them than to total points. I do like your proposed solution, though. It would definitely take much longer to calculate, but it's a very good idea. If I can find some time, I might try to do a full calculation using your method. I'm curious what the end result would be.
Furret :

Luckily I'm such a stats nerd that I've been working on it since making that post lol, I'm up to 2014 right now, might take a day or two. It's not as bad as I thought. Once I have the winner's points written down I can just change one number in my formula every time to find the %-based points each person should get. I'm adding everyone's total daily jerseys at the end, that way I don't need to count them individually per competition. This is honestly what iPad kids must feel like except I'm calculating Tour de Vizzed stats instead

For what it's worth I really like the other 95% of your formula and methodology, just a minor nitpick as a math major lol

tgags123 :

I'm a stats nerd too, specifically when it comes to baseball. Your change actually reminds me a lot of OPS+ and ERA+ in baseball. I'd assume as a European that you're not too familiar with baseball stats, but basically, the idea is that the the average offense has changed substantially over time. For example, pitchers dominated in the 1960s and offense was scarce, whereas in the late 1990s and early 2000s, when everyone was on steroids, offense was super high. OPS+ and ERA+ compare a player's performance to the league-average in the seasons that they played, so that we can more accurately compare players from different eras.

So you're basically turning UTdV Score into UTdV+ by comparing to others in the same "season" and therefore adjusting for "era" lol.
Furret :

I found the following using % based scores and a flat boost for jerseys/banners. It's similar to your findings of course but if you look closely you can see that the gap between new and old is smaller, and you can even see a few shifts. Only scores of 1000+ are shown. There is still a slight bias towards newer competitors as the daily jersey count is directly related to site activity as well, but there's no way to properly simulate that

Every %-point in relation to the winner's score = +5 to Ultimate TdV Score (Example: the winner has 300 points. 75 points in that TdV would get you 25%, so an Ultimate TdV Score of 125. The winner's score is always worth 100%)

Every Jersey = +10 to Ultimate TdV Score
Monthly Jersey victory = +250
White Banner victory = +200
Gray Banner victory = +200
Rainbow Banner victory = +1,000


1) Furret - 17.747 (4x W)
2) SonicOlmstead - 16.602 (4x W)
3) zanderlex - 15.630 (3x W)
4) Davideo7 - 10.323 (1x W)
5) SacredShadow - 8189 (3x W)
6) Yuna1000 - 8180 (1x W)
7) tornadocam - 8036 (2x W)
8) gamerforlifeforever - 7738 (1x W)
9) tgags123 - 7622 (2x W)
10) Mynamescox44 - 6328 (2x W)
11) EX Palen - 6281 (1x W)
12) thing1 - 6028 (1x W)
13) Barathemos - 5802 (1x W)
14) classgame - 5703 (0x W)
15) IgorBird122 - 5486 (2x W)
16) Singelli - 5292 (1x W)
17) legacyme3 - 4804 (1x W)
18) janus - 4464 (1x W)
19) no 8120 - 4041 (0x W)
20) supercool22 - 3465 (1x W)
21) pacman1755 - 3296 (1x W)
22) becerra95 - 3265 (1x W)
23) Pacman+Mariofan - 3249 (1x W)
24) geeogree - 3139 (1x W)
25) Ferdinand - 3042 (0x W)
26) Zlinqx - 3017 (1x W)
27) iN008 - 2693 (1x W)
28) EideticMemory - 2600 (1x W)
29) vizwiz123 - 2560 (1x W)
30) Lexatom - 2396 (1x W)
31) septembern - 2310 (1x W)
32) Dauntez - 2282 (0x W)
33) thudricdholee - 2060 (1x W)
34) Eniitan - 1906 (0x W)
35) Eirinn - 1815 (0x W)
36) Jordanv78 - 1394 (0x W)
37) pray75 - 1375 (0x W)
38) kramer4077 - 1275 (0x W)
39) ZircronSwift - 1200 (0x W)
40) Lonalan - 1024 (0x W)
and barely scraping into this list
41) daisukiusagi - 1001 (0x W)

I'm going to work on a new stat next, which is average UTdV Score per top 10 appearance (2+ appearances as entry requirement). The difference should show who relies more on consistent, smaller scores for their ranking and who performs big every time they compete but competes less often, hindering their total score

Your version places me two spots lower, so obviously it's nonsense and my original version is superior.

I really appreciate you putting in the work to calculate this. I find it extremely interesting. Looking forward to seeing your findings with average UTdV Score per top 10 appearance!

Furret :