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10-24-17 04:56 AM
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Excuse me.... this is going to get messy. I definitely think diversity, in practice, might just be a good thing. It's nice to see those of all sorts of different shapes and sizes working and enjoying each other. What I don't understand is shoving someone, either without the interests or latent qualifications, in a job just because they happen to belong to an overly narrow superlative. Presumable this is done to gain a more cultured environment, but this in itself just ends up discriminatory; you have people given status and such without working for it, and it just seems derogatory. Whatever happened to competence? It's insulting to think that race and gender is made such a big deal out of, as opposed to talent and skill, as if it's implying that people chosen for this have none, and are given jobs because of pity or some rediculous notion of "equality". Honestly, I don't believe "diversity" is helping anyone in the workplace because it hasn't produced results, especially in a very broken economy. Also, I think this "system' has too much bias. What's your opinion? (Sorry for the spiel).
Excuse me.... this is going to get messy. I definitely think diversity, in practice, might just be a good thing. It's nice to see those of all sorts of different shapes and sizes working and enjoying each other. What I don't understand is shoving someone, either without the interests or latent qualifications, in a job just because they happen to belong to an overly narrow superlative. Presumable this is done to gain a more cultured environment, but this in itself just ends up discriminatory; you have people given status and such without working for it, and it just seems derogatory. Whatever happened to competence? It's insulting to think that race and gender is made such a big deal out of, as opposed to talent and skill, as if it's implying that people chosen for this have none, and are given jobs because of pity or some rediculous notion of "equality". Honestly, I don't believe "diversity" is helping anyone in the workplace because it hasn't produced results, especially in a very broken economy. Also, I think this "system' has too much bias. What's your opinion? (Sorry for the spiel).
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10-24-17 11:19 AM
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Be careful when posting stuff like this. In the past threads like this have gotten out of hand since this is a sensitive topic. 

Here is my take on this. I think some programs are needed. Because without some of the programs and laws put into place minorities or even disabled students would not have a chance. The main law that is highly debated is Affirmative Action. From what I Understand about it is schools and govt employers have to have a certain percentage of minorities working for them. I think the original law was good as the original Affirmative Action stated that schools and govt employers had to hire equally qualified minorities. 

However since the late 1980's several amendments have been added to Affirmative Action. To now schools and employers have to hire a percentage of minorities regardless of their qualifications. Even some minorities do not like the new version of AA. 

I think it should go back to its original version. Lets be honest you need programs in place because even today a lot of schools and employers will not hire a minority or a disabled person. So you need laws to give those people a chance. 

Anyway this is my take on it. 
Be careful when posting stuff like this. In the past threads like this have gotten out of hand since this is a sensitive topic. 

Here is my take on this. I think some programs are needed. Because without some of the programs and laws put into place minorities or even disabled students would not have a chance. The main law that is highly debated is Affirmative Action. From what I Understand about it is schools and govt employers have to have a certain percentage of minorities working for them. I think the original law was good as the original Affirmative Action stated that schools and govt employers had to hire equally qualified minorities. 

However since the late 1980's several amendments have been added to Affirmative Action. To now schools and employers have to hire a percentage of minorities regardless of their qualifications. Even some minorities do not like the new version of AA. 

I think it should go back to its original version. Lets be honest you need programs in place because even today a lot of schools and employers will not hire a minority or a disabled person. So you need laws to give those people a chance. 

Anyway this is my take on it. 
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10-24-17 09:06 PM
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I agree with you whole heartedly. The problem here is that people are unwittingly being taken advantage of by the people they claim to hate with such a passion. Any kind of legislation in favor of a minority is, in principle, just the same as being in favor of the majority. Discrimination is discrimination regardless of who it benefits or spites and nothing changes that.

Now, don't take this the wrong way. I don't believe discrimination against particular religions, races, ideologies, sexes, sexual orientation or anything else is a good thing and I generally disapprove of it, but that doesn't mean I think it should be illegal. If a private entity, so long as they're not so large as to have huge concentrations of power over the media and economy, wants to discriminate, I believe they're well within their rights to do so and that no alleged authority should be able to say otherwise. A private entity is a private entity. Besides, as I said, if they're not a multinational mega-corporation who holds much sway over the individual's live, the individual can choose not to support a service over a disagreement in ethics.

TL;DR: It's like segregation and integration. Some cultures just do not play well together. Forced segregation is wrong because it's oppressive and forced integration is just as wrong for the same reason. You can't put to people who hate each other for whatever reason, legitimate or not, in a cell together and expect them to get along. Doing so is only creating unneeded friction between people who are otherwise content being separated.
I agree with you whole heartedly. The problem here is that people are unwittingly being taken advantage of by the people they claim to hate with such a passion. Any kind of legislation in favor of a minority is, in principle, just the same as being in favor of the majority. Discrimination is discrimination regardless of who it benefits or spites and nothing changes that.

Now, don't take this the wrong way. I don't believe discrimination against particular religions, races, ideologies, sexes, sexual orientation or anything else is a good thing and I generally disapprove of it, but that doesn't mean I think it should be illegal. If a private entity, so long as they're not so large as to have huge concentrations of power over the media and economy, wants to discriminate, I believe they're well within their rights to do so and that no alleged authority should be able to say otherwise. A private entity is a private entity. Besides, as I said, if they're not a multinational mega-corporation who holds much sway over the individual's live, the individual can choose not to support a service over a disagreement in ethics.

TL;DR: It's like segregation and integration. Some cultures just do not play well together. Forced segregation is wrong because it's oppressive and forced integration is just as wrong for the same reason. You can't put to people who hate each other for whatever reason, legitimate or not, in a cell together and expect them to get along. Doing so is only creating unneeded friction between people who are otherwise content being separated.
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10-30-17 09:40 AM
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I'm going to be honest here: Giving somebody the job solely on where they come from, their gender, or the color of their skin, is an absolutely awful idea if there is no talent in the person getting the job.

I just get the feeling that if this continues, we will end up with some of the worst TV shows, films and games in decades, if we completely abandon experience or talent-based people in favor of diversity. I'm afraid it might even divide people more than they already are now.
I'm going to be honest here: Giving somebody the job solely on where they come from, their gender, or the color of their skin, is an absolutely awful idea if there is no talent in the person getting the job.

I just get the feeling that if this continues, we will end up with some of the worst TV shows, films and games in decades, if we completely abandon experience or talent-based people in favor of diversity. I'm afraid it might even divide people more than they already are now.
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Using race, gender, etc as a factor when hiring is discriminatory, plain and simple. Hiring decisions should be up to the employer, and should be based solely on what each candidate brings to the table. Not only is it discriminatory for the government to force companies to hire people based on gender and race, it is also an abuse of power in my opinion. The government should have no say in who someone does and doesn't hire.

As far as diversity goes, the only kind of diversity that matters is diversity of thought. Having a room full of 20 straight white males that all have different opinions and different ways of thinking about things is infinitely more effective, productive, and innovative than a room full of 20 people of varying races and genders that all think the same way.
Using race, gender, etc as a factor when hiring is discriminatory, plain and simple. Hiring decisions should be up to the employer, and should be based solely on what each candidate brings to the table. Not only is it discriminatory for the government to force companies to hire people based on gender and race, it is also an abuse of power in my opinion. The government should have no say in who someone does and doesn't hire.

As far as diversity goes, the only kind of diversity that matters is diversity of thought. Having a room full of 20 straight white males that all have different opinions and different ways of thinking about things is infinitely more effective, productive, and innovative than a room full of 20 people of varying races and genders that all think the same way.
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It seems like a desperate move to avoid actually resolving poor relations with minorities

Maybe weird schemes like these happen because it band-aids an complex issue with the least amount of effort.
Jobs are not the only important point - it's the quality of living - homes, education, community that can fall through the cracks in society.

We're all slowly falling through the cracks. We either work together or fight each other.
That really needs changing, and then band-aids that cause more problems than they solve can be ripped off.
It seems like a desperate move to avoid actually resolving poor relations with minorities

Maybe weird schemes like these happen because it band-aids an complex issue with the least amount of effort.
Jobs are not the only important point - it's the quality of living - homes, education, community that can fall through the cracks in society.

We're all slowly falling through the cracks. We either work together or fight each other.
That really needs changing, and then band-aids that cause more problems than they solve can be ripped off.
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Quotas exist for a reason. And we have paid the price for "understanding:,"diversity",and "progress".  It is plain stupid to force anyone or anything to conform to a pre-determined idea of conformity and diversity. I know,it makes me seem like an old thinking bigot. But I have seen evidence that hiring someone solely on race,religion,creed,etc does not work.
Quotas exist for a reason. And we have paid the price for "understanding:,"diversity",and "progress".  It is plain stupid to force anyone or anything to conform to a pre-determined idea of conformity and diversity. I know,it makes me seem like an old thinking bigot. But I have seen evidence that hiring someone solely on race,religion,creed,etc does not work.
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