Well I finally had enough with allowing Trusted Members and people with 250+ posts to make layouts. Videogamegod had a pornographic picture of a vagina for his layout background, although it wasn't his fault this was enough for me to just disable it for now.

The layouts will be disabled for these users until 1 or more of the following features are implemented:
-Layout approval (all layouts would have to be approved by a staff member)
-Layout ban (can ban a specific user from doing layouts if they've been warned about making a crappy layout and continue)
-Vizzed hosted (images in layout have to be hosted by vizzed, would allow users to upload graphics for their layout)
-Layout Assistant (basically a privilege I grant to people who are good at making layouts who can, with permission, edit other user's layouts in order to help them)

If you really want to change your layout, PM the Administrators account and JigSaw or I will get around to updating your layout.

I am going to have to say no to Layout Ban simply for the fact that its you either know how to code or you dont. If you knew how to code you would not have missing table tags and what not.

Layout approval is good. I think what we need is a site staff who will make layouts for others. These people must follow guidelines to good layout making. Few rules could be:

1. Readibility - Some layouts are dam near impossible to read
2. Layout Size in KB's - Should have certain limits on that and optimized for the web
3. I would like it if all layouts scanned 100% horizontally it looks horrible seeing 500px width then 800px width and a bunch of other random widths that don't match with the site. Horizontal scrolling is a pain that is worse then the layouts that are taller then skyscrapers.

I totally agree with everything Jigsaw has said. Layout approval pretty much takes care of all the obvious problems... obnoxious graphics, difficult to read, take too long to load, etc.
The width thing is really annoying for me, I have to scroll sideways all the time so I totally agree with the 100% width requirement.

I'm all for this. I'm always tempted to turn layouts off every time I see a post that I have to highlight just to read.
Will they still be able to use premade layouts? And if they can maybe it would be a good time to make some more.

yeah, sorry about that, something went wrong with the image hosting. But I just want to say that Noelia made my layout.

These two are the ones I support (considering one of them I mentioned before, it's no wonder I would support it )
-Vizzed hosted. Always a good idea, prevents little mishaps happening like VGG had happen to him.
-Layout Assistant. I'll just mention what I did before.
We have a special rank that only those that are good at making layouts would have.
Staff of course also have this rank by default.
A "Layout creator" ranked member can then go to users profile, click "update layout" and edit the layout, then click submit and it would say "layout update confirmed, awaiting user approval for use".

joebab : Yeah, we shouldn't be required to read highlight someones post just because their layout is so crappy that the actual content is to hard to read.

Another thing that bugs me is when layouts have so much text and stuff in them that you don't even know what the content is.

And yeah users would still be able to use premade layouts, I'll probably make a few more but I'll also have everyone who wants to be come a 'Layout Assistant' have a test and that test would be to make a layout and if that layout is good and approved, not only does the user become a 'Layout Assistant', their layout also becomes available as a premade layout.



DarkHyren : Yeah I'd like to make it so all images in layouts are hosted here to avoid the situation with VGG and to also avoid the situation which happened to a lot of Bigbobs posts, where his images now require a username and password to use. Oh another reason is that sometimes images become unavailable which makes the layout look like crap.



Overall I think vizzed board posts will look far more attractive after these updates. I love seeing cool layouts so that feature I'll never want to get rid of but I just don't think everyone is capable of making a decent layout.

i think this is a good idea, although, i think that at least global mods should be allowed to edit layouts too. i like the idea of having a test for it, cause there are shops for layouts in the vizzed market [which most of it pretty much is] so having a test would be good cause those shop owners can prove that they are worthy of making/ editing their/others layouts, so i think this is all a great idea, just a bit of changes that i think should happen. and one question, what will happen to those shops? cause i think that till the test is made, it will be a lot for the admins to handle, with working on the site and all.

Is my layout decent?

Anyways, I agree with the change for now... I hate having to highlight layouts to see what they say

Also I want to start with the Premade Layouts again, so regular users can choose between many layouts that have been put out by staff.
I think that maybe there should be a layout approval thread... if the layout is approved then the Global+ who approves it can directly add it to the person's layout, so that the trusted or below can't edit it them self, but by pasting the code above and below where they type can make a layout to show in the layout approval thread.

So yeah I like:

- Layout Approval
- Vizzed Hosted
- Layout size in KB
- Only Trusted+ having "approved" layouts, but regular members not having layouts whatsoever, no matter how many posts they have...
- Elite+ being able to edit their own layouts
- Global+ being able to edit other people's layouts.

septembern : Your layout is alright, but it's a fail in Firefox.

I'm all for this.

alexanyways : Yeah, it took me hours to get it to work in all 4 browsers

The only way to make it work in Chrome also, was to make it look a bit strange in firefox.

A porn layout by me???!
I don't think so!
Videogamegod's layout was working fine till yesterday. I don't know what's went wrong today. And the link for the pict works still fine for me(at least right now). http://i55.tinypic.com/sq1tnp.jpg
Maybe something else went wrong, but nobody can be sure about it.

Anyway, I honestly didn't do anything bad(I always host my pict there or at photobucklet and nothing wrong happened ever, till today I guess)
I just want to apologize officially to David and to the whole board

noelia : Don't worry, we all know it wasn't your fault. It's O.K.

noelia : Yeah, it didn't have anything to do with you

It was either the image hosting place or videogamegod having some fun

I guess we were pretty much asking for trouble when someone decided "hey, let's allow people to use HTML code for all kinds of crap in their layouts." I'm totally behind having changes to layouts moderated.
_{This is only really annoying for me, because my dragon egg has died and I'm going to have to replace it somehow. Not being able to change my layout makes a small change like that annoying and the lack thereof... awkward.}

What are the odds of that happening? It's very strange of what people put up nowadays. I see nothing about this being noelias fault, I think probably someone either hacked it, or he put a wrong number in the img source code resulting into the picture being changed. The only problem I see now, is if something happens like that and the admins can't get to it right away but I doubt it will happen again now that these features have been added. I just see it as strange how one small error could have done something like that. Only someone with bad luck, and posts a lot like him, could have it happened. It's all very confusing now.

Does this mean I have to get rid of this poorly made layout? I mean at least you can read it. All it really needs is a scroll bar.

If you need a "Layout Maker" staff member, I'll volunteer. If there's one thing I know, it's html and css.

Just throwing that out there.

Maybe I can get one of you to make me a layout, just need to design how I want it too look.

septembern : Haha, The Thing is though, I don't know how to make layouts, so it couldn't have been me.

Anyways, I like the idea of a Layout maker as a staff member.

Crono makes layouts, yeah, but, they aren't from scratch. In fact, the layout Crono is using at this moment and all the others he's ever made are almost completely based off of JigSaw's Akuma layout(Code-Wise). Don't know if that helps, but hey. In other words, Crono can take given HTML codes and turn them into something greater or something reversed.

layout maker staff would be a great idea! but when they make them, does that mean they could also edit others layouts to edit them for those people? or just have to ask staff to edit them still?

ok,im the same way as chrono on layouts,so in the test will we have a base code?
and can we please get that test up sometime soon?i wanna be able to edit my layout sometime soon,i dont like being stuck with one for too long

I really dont think people that dont know what certain bits of code do should be layout makers.
And I'm thinking the test will be more like what does this bit of code do, what does that one do.
We'll just be right back where we started from otherwise, cause I have seen plenty of people take base code and completely mess it up.

bob92 : I think that your layout is really big, any way to make it smaller?

DarkHyren : I'm not a pro, but I know what each (if not, most) bit(s) of code do. I make my own layouts now, and you know that. Lol

You've seen me in my beginning stages, but I have gotten better.

yea,i could,but first i need to be able to edit my code
that was my main reason,to get a different pic,most likely smaller
and yes,the one i was looking at was smaller,im gonna PM it to davideo7 and see if he will change my layout for me until i can change it myself

Hey Davideo7 can you give us an update on how things are going? I'm not trying to pry it's just I waited for a really long time for the layout septembern made me and now I can't have it. Any way you can update ua a bit?

XxChaosxX : I'd say you'll have to wait at least a week since David pretty much just got home from the hospital with his new daughter.
He mentioned he would be a little busy for awhile.
But I'll see if JigSaw and myself can get some things rolling so, and if all goes well then you can get septembern to send me or JigSaw the code and we'll apply it to your profile for you

DarkHyren : K thanks DH. I've been fretting that I wouldn't be able to get my layout for another few months. I was gonna be sad.

What we could use are more pre-made layouts for layout selection. Instead of having members fail in creating their own because they want a cool one but can't code properly they should be able to choose from a wide variety of layouts and feel that they have something they can admire. I've been meaning to create some different layouts, but I need to get back into HTML shape since I'm really rusty at it.

I have a lot of really cool images to use for backgrounds that I can share.

Cyro Xero : I think that's ok so long as the person that makes the layouts can code for all the browsers.
Last time we had multiple layout types they would either work in IE but look bad in FF or look good in FF but bad in IE.

That's true. But do the simpler ones work in multiple browsers easily?

Simple as in post on the left, picture on the right, yeah they work fine cause they are just two tables really.
It's when you have say a picture over a background and want the picture in a certain exact spot over that background for example that it will mess up.
Oh, and another example, some people who want their text in a transparent box like mine, they only code it for IE or for FF, not both.
But simple, simple normally works ok (Though I have seen exceptions to this...)

maybe i could be abn assistants to getting new pre made layouts? ive had some ideas, yet ill never use them, so maybe i could send some pictures to show it? or should i wait to see if their will be a thread for it?

Ouch!

I'm starting to see the bad parts of this.

I closed my layout shop.


There weren't that many bad layouts out there, and just because VGG had an accident doesn't mean we all suffer for it.

I'm part for this and part against this. I'm for this because I hate when crappy layouts slow down the server and I have to highlight the text just to read the post, but I'm against this because I really want a layout. Can I have someone like a global make a layout for me, instead of me just making it myself?

Okay.... Vizzed Elite finally has a purpose.

I agree with the "layout staff" thing.

But for now, can you allow staff to be able to add layout for people, like if someone made one and it is good and they want it up, can staff do it for them ?

Other then that, I am okay with this idea.

Oh, and VGG's accident happened due to some sort of database error, as VGG was not online at that time, as DH can't see him (he is staff).

Also... No sigs ?

EDIT : See the Header and Signature, I think you need to fix this.

Well, after having read this, I'm going for it.
It's going to be a pain not to be able to make layouts though, although I'm in no position to complain as I can't really make Layouts anyhow.
Anyways, I can see how this plan is going to benefit vizzed, so yeah.

Davideo7 : Hey people!
I was wondering if ANYONE has a a cool, colorful layout of Magneto from the Xman Series!
or knows where I can find one and assist me on how to put it on my profile and my text boxes. It will greatly appreciated..ThankS

Davideo7 : I agree with all the features you mentioned well maybe except maybe the ban. While I wait for the new layout features I will be editing coding to make my layout smaller and more readable.

I wouldn't even know how to make my own layout. You should make one that people can buy with vizzed points.

SunflowerGaming : One of those already exist.

In fact, you're already using it.

With JigSaw's help, layouts will be editable again probably before the month ends.

I know but I mean I kind of wish there were more options for layouts to use. Cause ones like me don't know how to even make a layout or how to code it in html.

SunflowerGaming : Actually JigSaw is making a layout editor which would allow anyone to make a layout without any knowledge of HTML

Well, I hope it gets implemented soon, as I've really wanted to be able to edit my layout again. (After it's implemented, will we be able edit layouts again, without the thing Jigsaw is implementing?)

Geldra : Yes we'll allow Trusted to make a layout without the editor but for everyone, for now on you'll only be able to use graphics hosted on vizzed but you'll have the ability to upload your graphics.

Davideo7 : This is great news thanks David and JigSaw.

Thanks a bunch David for switching it. I've wanted a layout, like forever. Anyway, when exactly can trusteds begin making their own layouts?

jmc1097 : According to JigSaw, late November or early December. Think of the new feature has a Christmas gift from JigSaw

OK, cool. That's close. Sooner than I expected it. Thank you David and Jigsaw.

Davideo7 : Im not a trusted member yet.So will i be able to use the layout editor when its done??

gameface138 : Everyone should be able to, yeah.

Also the work JigSaw has been doing is delayed, I'm not really sure how much progress he has made or if he's still working on it.

Davideo7 :
JigSaw :
I summoned David because I sort of cheated his system without realizing it. I planned to fix it when I was done, but I can't edit any of my posts now. I'm assuming there's a daily limit.
I summoned JigSaw because this happened on your Vizzed Layout Programmers Signup thread, but I figured it might be easier to settle it here.

I kind of accidentally found a way to override your rule about layouts. I was experimenting with editing and previewing posts. It wasn't working. I copied the header text into the beginning of the POST text and the signature text into the end of the POST text. Now it works. I used some HTML formatting to design it in a way I liked. I clicked Edit instead of Preview once by accident, but I decided to go with it to see if it worked. The width was a little off, so I was going back and forth with Editing until it worked. Somehow I ran out of editing. I'm guessing there is some restriction on how many times I can edit posts for a day. It wasn't until after I couldn't edit anymore that I tested it in Firefox and IE and found it didn't work. I programmed it in Chrome. IE had an alignment issue and Firefox managed to change the navy blue background to neon green. I used RGB rather than a color name to edit the background color so I don't see how that happened.

https://www.vizzed.com/vizzedboard/thread.php?id=19401&ppp=1000&page=0#291487

Please let me know how you feel about this. Is it ok? Can I use it in the future if I can make it work in other browsers? Should I take it down when I'm allowed to edit again? Should I wait to use it until after JigSaw is done with his layout project? That kind of stuff.


I feel like I keep messing up now. I think I was the one who brought the signature mistake to your attention. I had been adding a signature by editing each post I did. When I made a thread about wanting to make a layout, I mentioned the signature thing, then that stopped working. I don't know that much about programming, but somehow I keep finding the little loopholes. This time I knew I couldn't leave the layout up, but now I can't undo it.

BNuge : Just wait until after JigSaw is done with the layout editor.

Davideo7 : What can/should I do about the one that's already posted? I can't take it down because I can't edit my posts. It's on JigSaw's thread so he could probably just delete the code in the post if he wanted.

https://www.vizzed.com/vizzedboard/thread.php?id=19401&ppp=1000&page=0#291487

BNuge : Contact a global mod to remove it, I'm to busy to deal with this stuff. Sorry.

Davideo7 : No problem. Thanks for your help.

We might need to alter this a bit... should we make it trusted instead of elite because that is what the layout specialists requirement is. If layouts can only be edited by elites then that means we are very limited to the amount of layout experts on here.

What we can do is integrate a simple mod feature right here on the forum if a layout is messing with the page in any way a mod can easily deactivate it or delete it without having to edit the code. 1 click is all it would take.

BTW: I've been at this layout editor for 4 days straight now, we are really close to launch.

JigSaw : We can allow Trusted Members to make custom layouts but we'll encourage them to host their BG graphics on vizzed.

Davideo7 : I like your idea, but I like the default layout, so could you or another staff member change my layout back to the default?

I would say no to layout approval but have the staff approve the bad layouts