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So, anyone who follows wrestling should know that the monday night wars are back.

TNA moved to Monday nights live last night. This is the first time since 2001 since any company has directly competed like this with the WWE.

If anyone remembers wrestling in the late 90's you'll understand why this is a good thing. Finally the WWE has some competition to improve their product again.

I've had the opportunity to watch both shows and so far I'm more impressed by what I saw from TNA. WWE still has the more polished product and still has the bigger names on their show, but TNA is putting on more exciting matches in my opinion. The X-division is un-matched by anything the WWE has going. Sure they might have a few guys here and there that can do that stuff... but TNA has 10-15 guys at any given time that can put on awesome matches.

I'm curious to find out what other people think about TNA vs WWE. Do you watch either show? Both shows? What are you looking forward to now that WWE has some competition again?
So, anyone who follows wrestling should know that the monday night wars are back.

TNA moved to Monday nights live last night. This is the first time since 2001 since any company has directly competed like this with the WWE.

If anyone remembers wrestling in the late 90's you'll understand why this is a good thing. Finally the WWE has some competition to improve their product again.

I've had the opportunity to watch both shows and so far I'm more impressed by what I saw from TNA. WWE still has the more polished product and still has the bigger names on their show, but TNA is putting on more exciting matches in my opinion. The X-division is un-matched by anything the WWE has going. Sure they might have a few guys here and there that can do that stuff... but TNA has 10-15 guys at any given time that can put on awesome matches.

I'm curious to find out what other people think about TNA vs WWE. Do you watch either show? Both shows? What are you looking forward to now that WWE has some competition again?
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I think it is going to be interesting with the battle between wwe and tna now on monday nights. I am not sure it is going to be much of a war yet but it could get to that level in couple of years. Should be an awesome ride!

I think it is going to be interesting with the battle between wwe and tna now on monday nights. I am not sure it is going to be much of a war yet but it could get to that level in couple of years. Should be an awesome ride!
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I agree that it won't be great early on.... but back in 95 and early 96 there wasn't a whole lot going on at WCW either.... but they kept pushing and had better ratings than WWE for over a year. So, anything is possible.

TNA has the names to draw people to it, they just need to work on production value. Better matches, better interviews, better character development, etc etc. There are things that WWE does that no one compares to, but TNA has a much more exciting group in the X-division that WWE has basically ignored.
I agree that it won't be great early on.... but back in 95 and early 96 there wasn't a whole lot going on at WCW either.... but they kept pushing and had better ratings than WWE for over a year. So, anything is possible.

TNA has the names to draw people to it, they just need to work on production value. Better matches, better interviews, better character development, etc etc. There are things that WWE does that no one compares to, but TNA has a much more exciting group in the X-division that WWE has basically ignored.
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I don't think it's a war at all. After all the type TNA has been doing they still can't manage to draw over a 1.0 view rating whereas WWE Raw remains around 3.4 view rating.

I think back in the old days WCW and WWF where way up there in the 5 maybe even 6 ratings.

TNA might have the names but its not enough to get WWE status. First of all, SpikeTV is like a second rate network if they want real attention they must find a better one.

Just like SyFy, ECW and WWE NXT can only seem to draw a 1.0 rating off SyFy so if anything TNA is only competing with WWE NXT at this moment if your looking at ratings.

They got the talent that's for sure, but I really think their problem has nothing to do with wrestlers but instead their production and expansion. They need to focus on selling out to bigger audiences once that happens it will feel like a legitimate competition to WWE.
I don't think it's a war at all. After all the type TNA has been doing they still can't manage to draw over a 1.0 view rating whereas WWE Raw remains around 3.4 view rating.

I think back in the old days WCW and WWF where way up there in the 5 maybe even 6 ratings.

TNA might have the names but its not enough to get WWE status. First of all, SpikeTV is like a second rate network if they want real attention they must find a better one.

Just like SyFy, ECW and WWE NXT can only seem to draw a 1.0 rating off SyFy so if anything TNA is only competing with WWE NXT at this moment if your looking at ratings.

They got the talent that's for sure, but I really think their problem has nothing to do with wrestlers but instead their production and expansion. They need to focus on selling out to bigger audiences once that happens it will feel like a legitimate competition to WWE.
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I do agree with you hoenstly. SpikeTV is not the best network to be on in order to compete.... but right now I doubt they are going to do much better than that. And I think they signed a multi-year deal with SpikeTV so I doubt they'll move any time soon.

Like I said.... production value of TNA just isn't up to par with WWE.

I also think TNA needs to start doing live shows in arenas. I know they do house shows around the south but having live shows in the "impact zone" all the time isn't going to cut it.

Although, as long as they keep their growth consistent then I see them doing alright. They are good enough to attract the talent they've got and if they keep doing what they are doing they will grow. You have to remember that WCW had Turner Broadcasting backing it when they went national.... which meant they had a superstation and other local stations promoting the wrestling.
I do agree with you hoenstly. SpikeTV is not the best network to be on in order to compete.... but right now I doubt they are going to do much better than that. And I think they signed a multi-year deal with SpikeTV so I doubt they'll move any time soon.

Like I said.... production value of TNA just isn't up to par with WWE.

I also think TNA needs to start doing live shows in arenas. I know they do house shows around the south but having live shows in the "impact zone" all the time isn't going to cut it.

Although, as long as they keep their growth consistent then I see them doing alright. They are good enough to attract the talent they've got and if they keep doing what they are doing they will grow. You have to remember that WCW had Turner Broadcasting backing it when they went national.... which meant they had a superstation and other local stations promoting the wrestling.
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I think right now the shows are ranked like so:

1. WWE Raw
2. WWE Smackdown
3. TNA
4. WWE NXT
5. WWE Superstars

That is how I see them as product wise / ratings. Maybe TNA should only focus on monday nights and then they can either run Free PPV's or reruns on the nights the other WWE shows are on. I know they could compete with reruns against WWE second rate shows cause those just suck period.

The other WWE shows are basically very stale and almost unwatchable. Smackdown is not that good of show either since there are spoilers all over the net 3 days before it airs.

If TNA were to sacrifice some money in the process by offering free PPV's on spike TV instead of making a whole new show I think that could do pretty dam good possibly.

WWE's problem is expansion they are trying way too hard to expand. Their only good show is Raw, the rest are not worth watching.

From how I see it, if your show runs once a week it will be more in demand and people will be very excited to see it. But if you run the same program 3+ times a week it gets stale and no one will want to pay attention to the shows that follow monday.

What do you think TNA should do to compete with WWE NXT, Superstars, and Smackdown?
I think right now the shows are ranked like so:

1. WWE Raw
2. WWE Smackdown
3. TNA
4. WWE NXT
5. WWE Superstars

That is how I see them as product wise / ratings. Maybe TNA should only focus on monday nights and then they can either run Free PPV's or reruns on the nights the other WWE shows are on. I know they could compete with reruns against WWE second rate shows cause those just suck period.

The other WWE shows are basically very stale and almost unwatchable. Smackdown is not that good of show either since there are spoilers all over the net 3 days before it airs.

If TNA were to sacrifice some money in the process by offering free PPV's on spike TV instead of making a whole new show I think that could do pretty dam good possibly.

WWE's problem is expansion they are trying way too hard to expand. Their only good show is Raw, the rest are not worth watching.

From how I see it, if your show runs once a week it will be more in demand and people will be very excited to see it. But if you run the same program 3+ times a week it gets stale and no one will want to pay attention to the shows that follow monday.

What do you think TNA should do to compete with WWE NXT, Superstars, and Smackdown?
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I honestly don't think it should do a lot to compete with those shows. Like you said those shows aren't very good. Eventually they will need a 2nd show to run because that's the only way to expand.... but I don't think they are ready for it. Spend a few months on Mondays live and see how it goes.

NXT and Superstars are joke shows... they are only there to keep the crappy talent on TV once in a while. The big names are Raw and then Smackdown. And Smackdown is still taped so I can read what happens or watch it before it airs. The only shows I bother watching are Raw and TNA.

I agree that WWE is stale. All of their shows are pretty boring. They talk WAY too much. While interviews and such are important to developing storylines it is still wrestling. I think more time should be spent having good matches.... but WWE doesn't have many guys who can put on an interesting match for more than 5-10 minutes.
I honestly don't think it should do a lot to compete with those shows. Like you said those shows aren't very good. Eventually they will need a 2nd show to run because that's the only way to expand.... but I don't think they are ready for it. Spend a few months on Mondays live and see how it goes.

NXT and Superstars are joke shows... they are only there to keep the crappy talent on TV once in a while. The big names are Raw and then Smackdown. And Smackdown is still taped so I can read what happens or watch it before it airs. The only shows I bother watching are Raw and TNA.

I agree that WWE is stale. All of their shows are pretty boring. They talk WAY too much. While interviews and such are important to developing storylines it is still wrestling. I think more time should be spent having good matches.... but WWE doesn't have many guys who can put on an interesting match for more than 5-10 minutes.
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So the second week has come and gone.... and I personally am still more excited about watching TNA than I am about Raw. I'm not saying the show is better quality.... but I feel like I can predict exactly what is going to happen in each Raw scene. The whole story for each wrestler feels too predictable. With TNA I feel constantly unsure about what is going to happen next.


Although I also feel like TNA needs to drop some people from their roster. Nasty Boys and Team 3D need to go.... even though they won't =/. I miss guys like Petey Williams and Low Ki and other X Division guys. I don't know why they aren't doing 2 x-division matches a night on Impact.
So the second week has come and gone.... and I personally am still more excited about watching TNA than I am about Raw. I'm not saying the show is better quality.... but I feel like I can predict exactly what is going to happen in each Raw scene. The whole story for each wrestler feels too predictable. With TNA I feel constantly unsure about what is going to happen next.


Although I also feel like TNA needs to drop some people from their roster. Nasty Boys and Team 3D need to go.... even though they won't =/. I miss guys like Petey Williams and Low Ki and other X Division guys. I don't know why they aren't doing 2 x-division matches a night on Impact.
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I think the only interesting parts of Raw are the Sheamus and Legacy angles going on. The rest is pretty boring.

That brings me to the point of predictability. This years WM is really predictable. Bret will probably end up winning his match, egde will win belt, cena will win belt, Sheamus will beat HHH, and HBK will retire.

I think after wrestlemania is over stuff will start getting more interesting. Randy is turning into a face like Cena and hopefully they give the best 3 new talents on Raw a major push (Ted, Cody, Sheamus) I think they are the future of Raw.

I have not been following TNA much since the channel I get it on is full of static but I watch highlights once in a while, I like seeing heel bischoff always entertaining to see.
I think the only interesting parts of Raw are the Sheamus and Legacy angles going on. The rest is pretty boring.

That brings me to the point of predictability. This years WM is really predictable. Bret will probably end up winning his match, egde will win belt, cena will win belt, Sheamus will beat HHH, and HBK will retire.

I think after wrestlemania is over stuff will start getting more interesting. Randy is turning into a face like Cena and hopefully they give the best 3 new talents on Raw a major push (Ted, Cody, Sheamus) I think they are the future of Raw.

I have not been following TNA much since the channel I get it on is full of static but I watch highlights once in a while, I like seeing heel bischoff always entertaining to see.
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I always seemed to favor alot of the more underground wrestling, ECW was always better then WWE when it wasn't owned by Vince, they had better matches, and it was more xtreme and set it self apart from the WWE, I think TNA is basically better for the same reasons besides, WWE is soo over-rated and Vince gotta enough money, let someone else take the throne for awhile ya know, pass the torch....
I always seemed to favor alot of the more underground wrestling, ECW was always better then WWE when it wasn't owned by Vince, they had better matches, and it was more xtreme and set it self apart from the WWE, I think TNA is basically better for the same reasons besides, WWE is soo over-rated and Vince gotta enough money, let someone else take the throne for awhile ya know, pass the torch....
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Jigsaw: I download them all and watch them at my leasure . But yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing the new guys get a push after WM because it won't be about having the biggest WM to date . But I think you should check it out.... it's good. Tna that is.

Just: well, not even pass the torch so much as have some real competition again. I know TNA isn't quite there yet.... but give it some time and I think they stand a chance of getting better and becoming a legitimite competitor. Not to the same degree as WCW was but at least enough to improve wrestling overall.
Jigsaw: I download them all and watch them at my leasure . But yeah, I'm looking forward to seeing the new guys get a push after WM because it won't be about having the biggest WM to date . But I think you should check it out.... it's good. Tna that is.

Just: well, not even pass the torch so much as have some real competition again. I know TNA isn't quite there yet.... but give it some time and I think they stand a chance of getting better and becoming a legitimite competitor. Not to the same degree as WCW was but at least enough to improve wrestling overall.
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Yeah you right, now thinking about it, not so much just pass the torch but provide an alternate more or less...I think the whole competition thing would make both franchises to out-due each other and provide some"kick-ass" entertainment...
Yeah you right, now thinking about it, not so much just pass the torch but provide an alternate more or less...I think the whole competition thing would make both franchises to out-due each other and provide some"kick-ass" entertainment...
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I don't mind the older guys passing the tourch but my god, Kane is the perfect example of what happens when you job to new talent for many years.... it's a bit sad to see how they can completely kill his character and career No one takes the big red machine seriously anymore, same with many other old names out there.

WWE still looks quite strong, if Vince dies soon or retires... that could ultimately change everything and even give TNA a huge boost depending on who runs the show after Vince. Stephine Mcmahon might, but I was really hoping for Shane to take over.
I don't mind the older guys passing the tourch but my god, Kane is the perfect example of what happens when you job to new talent for many years.... it's a bit sad to see how they can completely kill his character and career No one takes the big red machine seriously anymore, same with many other old names out there.

WWE still looks quite strong, if Vince dies soon or retires... that could ultimately change everything and even give TNA a huge boost depending on who runs the show after Vince. Stephine Mcmahon might, but I was really hoping for Shane to take over.
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Well, from what I know Shane left the WWE in January of 2010. And I think Stephanie can do an alright job at running the WWE, I just don't see it being as strong without Vince.


And I agree completely about Kane. He lost his strength after his mask was taken away. After that I just couldn't take him seriously anymore. They brutalized his character after that.

Although, the only time I REALLY liked him was when he and Taker joined together. That was awesome.
Well, from what I know Shane left the WWE in January of 2010. And I think Stephanie can do an alright job at running the WWE, I just don't see it being as strong without Vince.


And I agree completely about Kane. He lost his strength after his mask was taken away. After that I just couldn't take him seriously anymore. They brutalized his character after that.

Although, the only time I REALLY liked him was when he and Taker joined together. That was awesome.
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Not sure how many people followed Wrestlemania but I'm going to post about this now.

Shawn Michaels has retired from the WWE. I wasn't too surprised honestly. I could tell he was running out as this last year has progressed. I wonder how many more years the undertaker has left. Will he get to 20-0 at wrestlemania before he retires?

Michaels and Taker will be tough to replace. Those are 2 huge names that the WWE has had for 15+ years each... I don't see HHH lasting too much longer either. Those are 3 big names that are gone or soon to be gone that need to be filled.
Not sure how many people followed Wrestlemania but I'm going to post about this now.

Shawn Michaels has retired from the WWE. I wasn't too surprised honestly. I could tell he was running out as this last year has progressed. I wonder how many more years the undertaker has left. Will he get to 20-0 at wrestlemania before he retires?

Michaels and Taker will be tough to replace. Those are 2 huge names that the WWE has had for 15+ years each... I don't see HHH lasting too much longer either. Those are 3 big names that are gone or soon to be gone that need to be filled.
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Both of them have run their course and you can tell by their limited schedules they don't got much left. Rey is another person to add on the list, he also plans to retire in a few years as well as Batista.

HHH though, I see him sticking around for a LONG time. I can see him taking over WWE when vince expires. Maybe not in a wrestling manor but probably behind the scenes stuff.

Change of subject... what happened to Swagger? He use to smile all the time now after winning belt he seems as if he doesn't care about it. Pretty much emotionless... by the looks of it it seems they are trying to turn him into a mold of Jericho when he SHOULD BE another Kurt Angle, acting cocky and playing the american hero role.
Both of them have run their course and you can tell by their limited schedules they don't got much left. Rey is another person to add on the list, he also plans to retire in a few years as well as Batista.

HHH though, I see him sticking around for a LONG time. I can see him taking over WWE when vince expires. Maybe not in a wrestling manor but probably behind the scenes stuff.

Change of subject... what happened to Swagger? He use to smile all the time now after winning belt he seems as if he doesn't care about it. Pretty much emotionless... by the looks of it it seems they are trying to turn him into a mold of Jericho when he SHOULD BE another Kurt Angle, acting cocky and playing the american hero role.
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yeah, Rey is running out of steam.... and so is Batista.

I like Edge and Orton being 2 of the new big names that really carry the company. I like em both and think they're both quality.


I have no idea what's with Swagger. No one should try to be like Jericho because he's good at his character and not many others are as good at it as Jericho. I am glad he won the belt though. Not a surprise either since they've got lots of people retiring soon. They've got to give these young guys title pushes to get people liking or hating them even more.
yeah, Rey is running out of steam.... and so is Batista.

I like Edge and Orton being 2 of the new big names that really carry the company. I like em both and think they're both quality.


I have no idea what's with Swagger. No one should try to be like Jericho because he's good at his character and not many others are as good at it as Jericho. I am glad he won the belt though. Not a surprise either since they've got lots of people retiring soon. They've got to give these young guys title pushes to get people liking or hating them even more.
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