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I get why you would feel this way, Kimmy. :/ Sadly public schooling does just what your picture depicted. I experienced both home school and public, and let me tell you the impacts each one had on my confidence, enthusiasm, energy, and overall quality and enjoyment of life were polar opposites. Home schooling teaches you better than public and nurtures you as an individual instead of trying to kill that part of you.


Look at it this way though: school may be doing this to you (or trying) but it's also in some ways helping you to achieve a life that's worth living. Trust me, don't settle for a life that leaves you worrying about bills and running from creditors constantly. Schooling goes a long way in aiding you with that at least.

Hang in there, Kimmy! You can do it! Also this shows a lot of your artistic abilities, namely the expression. Not everyone has the mind and eye to visualize something like this. You have a gift.
I get why you would feel this way, Kimmy. :/ Sadly public schooling does just what your picture depicted. I experienced both home school and public, and let me tell you the impacts each one had on my confidence, enthusiasm, energy, and overall quality and enjoyment of life were polar opposites. Home schooling teaches you better than public and nurtures you as an individual instead of trying to kill that part of you.


Look at it this way though: school may be doing this to you (or trying) but it's also in some ways helping you to achieve a life that's worth living. Trust me, don't settle for a life that leaves you worrying about bills and running from creditors constantly. Schooling goes a long way in aiding you with that at least.

Hang in there, Kimmy! You can do it! Also this shows a lot of your artistic abilities, namely the expression. Not everyone has the mind and eye to visualize something like this. You have a gift.
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NintendoFanKimmy :

Yeah, I know how that feels.

In school they make a big deal out of knowing all these different, meaningless things so that you can be ready for "life."

But after roofing for my dad for three years, you know how much school has helped me to become better at my day job?

Almost in no way at all.

Honestly, I think the only thing that everyone should have to learn is English and Math. I would say history and science, but that stuff is so subjective, that you should learn REAL history and science by your own research and on your own time. Any specialized forms of knowledge you can learn on your own time too if you plan on going to college. There is no need for half the stuff they teach you in school, or for all the time you spend away from home.

Science, History, Reading, none of these helped me to become a better roofer, nor where they the least bit necessary. You won't need many of those skills to become a construction worker, a Plumber, a farmer, or a McDonald employee. Your time is better spent studying the things that YOU WANT to study and BECOME one day on your own, perhaps through reading books and college.

School is just evil. It takes you, forces you to be part of the group. Deal with other troubled kids, who will get you into trouble, by causing you trouble, at which points the teachers can't discern anything, so they punish you both. .

It's like walking children right into a roboticization camp.

At home, schooling is much better. You're in a smaller group. You mom knows you personally. You're parents, rather than the faceless state get's to decide how and what you learn. And when you have fights with your siblings, you're parents know you a lot better, so it's easier to actually punish the culprit.

I was homeschooled, and I can say, it was a good experience, but even homeschoolers take a bit too much from the Public school system and basically copy it. (There's not need for that. I've met homeschooled families that don't use much curriculum. They research topics and read books about what INTERESTS them. They are much more refined and enthusiastic individuals. I think even I was roboticized slightly by my homeschooling, though it's mounds better than the Public School system.

Time to be Emoy- Only Mark Levin style.

http://orig13.deviantart.net/e460/f/2016/256/7/6/linkin_park___somewhere_i_belong___lyrics_by_theswordlegion-dahkp8j.mp4

Eirinn :

Just to add onto what you said. I like homeschooling a lot, but an emphasis on curriculum and following a system can be somewhat damaging. I remember Michael Perl talking about what makes good smart kids, and honestly, just being home with mom, and then dad does a lot for them, if you give them the tools to look up what they want, and teach them more important life lessons on History, and work ethic.

a good example is how I don't exactly remember a ton about secular history from my Mennonite Curriculum. (Rod and Staff) But what I DO remember is several historical facts regarding Noah's Flood and Creation Science in General from Dr. Kent Hovind.

That stuff struck a passion in me, and I wanted to search out the truth. That combined with the internet, and some better Television of the NRB network helped me out a lot. In fact, I had a great talk with someone two days about answering all her questions about Creationist. . . a little too effectively. I think I need to tone it down and talk more slowly so I don't overload her brain next time. XD
NintendoFanKimmy :

Yeah, I know how that feels.

In school they make a big deal out of knowing all these different, meaningless things so that you can be ready for "life."

But after roofing for my dad for three years, you know how much school has helped me to become better at my day job?

Almost in no way at all.

Honestly, I think the only thing that everyone should have to learn is English and Math. I would say history and science, but that stuff is so subjective, that you should learn REAL history and science by your own research and on your own time. Any specialized forms of knowledge you can learn on your own time too if you plan on going to college. There is no need for half the stuff they teach you in school, or for all the time you spend away from home.

Science, History, Reading, none of these helped me to become a better roofer, nor where they the least bit necessary. You won't need many of those skills to become a construction worker, a Plumber, a farmer, or a McDonald employee. Your time is better spent studying the things that YOU WANT to study and BECOME one day on your own, perhaps through reading books and college.

School is just evil. It takes you, forces you to be part of the group. Deal with other troubled kids, who will get you into trouble, by causing you trouble, at which points the teachers can't discern anything, so they punish you both. .

It's like walking children right into a roboticization camp.

At home, schooling is much better. You're in a smaller group. You mom knows you personally. You're parents, rather than the faceless state get's to decide how and what you learn. And when you have fights with your siblings, you're parents know you a lot better, so it's easier to actually punish the culprit.

I was homeschooled, and I can say, it was a good experience, but even homeschoolers take a bit too much from the Public school system and basically copy it. (There's not need for that. I've met homeschooled families that don't use much curriculum. They research topics and read books about what INTERESTS them. They are much more refined and enthusiastic individuals. I think even I was roboticized slightly by my homeschooling, though it's mounds better than the Public School system.

Time to be Emoy- Only Mark Levin style.

http://orig13.deviantart.net/e460/f/2016/256/7/6/linkin_park___somewhere_i_belong___lyrics_by_theswordlegion-dahkp8j.mp4

Eirinn :

Just to add onto what you said. I like homeschooling a lot, but an emphasis on curriculum and following a system can be somewhat damaging. I remember Michael Perl talking about what makes good smart kids, and honestly, just being home with mom, and then dad does a lot for them, if you give them the tools to look up what they want, and teach them more important life lessons on History, and work ethic.

a good example is how I don't exactly remember a ton about secular history from my Mennonite Curriculum. (Rod and Staff) But what I DO remember is several historical facts regarding Noah's Flood and Creation Science in General from Dr. Kent Hovind.

That stuff struck a passion in me, and I wanted to search out the truth. That combined with the internet, and some better Television of the NRB network helped me out a lot. In fact, I had a great talk with someone two days about answering all her questions about Creationist. . . a little too effectively. I think I need to tone it down and talk more slowly so I don't overload her brain next time. XD
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I have to disagree on two things.

1. Freedom - Education is freedom. Some say that the silver bullet to the problems of the world is education for women, especially in third world countries, developing countries, Africa, etc. If women are educated, the quality of life for both genders increases. The education of women is directly linked to decreased infant mortality, decreased violence against women, the list goes on and on. The fact that you, Kimmy, get the opportunity to be educated and to earn a high school diploma and continue onward if that's your route, gives you options in the world. Uneducated people provide labor or worse. Educated people get options and can control their fate.

2. Prioritizing friends and interests? School teaches that time is limited and you can't just play on the computer all day and then go spend time with your friends. Time is limited in all aspects of life and being able to find the time or at least make the decision to pick friends over other things is a skill people don't get to develop and learn. They just constantly fail at it. Look at school as a way to learn how to divvy your time between the things you like. That's what real life is like. School lasts, what, 40 hours a week? Work and career development take time too. The rest of your life will be spend figuring out how to spend your time.

3. I'm going to add on confidence here. School provides an atmosphere that isn't always friendly. I get that. However, making new friends, succeeding at work, learning new skills and knowledge, and performing well all build confidence. You learn you can go into an alien environment like a middle school or a high school and you can go succeed. You can adapt, learn, and do better. You're going to be okay. That's what school taught me in the end... I was going to be okay.

I made it out just fine.
I have to disagree on two things.

1. Freedom - Education is freedom. Some say that the silver bullet to the problems of the world is education for women, especially in third world countries, developing countries, Africa, etc. If women are educated, the quality of life for both genders increases. The education of women is directly linked to decreased infant mortality, decreased violence against women, the list goes on and on. The fact that you, Kimmy, get the opportunity to be educated and to earn a high school diploma and continue onward if that's your route, gives you options in the world. Uneducated people provide labor or worse. Educated people get options and can control their fate.

2. Prioritizing friends and interests? School teaches that time is limited and you can't just play on the computer all day and then go spend time with your friends. Time is limited in all aspects of life and being able to find the time or at least make the decision to pick friends over other things is a skill people don't get to develop and learn. They just constantly fail at it. Look at school as a way to learn how to divvy your time between the things you like. That's what real life is like. School lasts, what, 40 hours a week? Work and career development take time too. The rest of your life will be spend figuring out how to spend your time.

3. I'm going to add on confidence here. School provides an atmosphere that isn't always friendly. I get that. However, making new friends, succeeding at work, learning new skills and knowledge, and performing well all build confidence. You learn you can go into an alien environment like a middle school or a high school and you can go succeed. You can adapt, learn, and do better. You're going to be okay. That's what school taught me in the end... I was going to be okay.

I made it out just fine.
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Ghostbear1111 : I've noticed you seem to be quite passionate about the idea that women should learn. May I ask why women being educated would benefit the world more than me being educated? This isn't a debate forum nor do I wish to debate, both out of respect to Kimmy and my own personal beliefs that debating is wrong, rather I honestly wish to hear why you feel the way you do. If I'm being honest a few points in your post kind of bothered me a bit for various reasons.


1. You say that many (though you didn't outright identify with this group) believe teaching women is the fix for the world's problems. But why could women fix what men can't? Are they better than we? More capable? This doesn't offend my pride as a man, as I know who I am (no thanks to media or society) so I'm confident and comfortable enough in my own skin not to get offended or upset even if someone were to outright challenge it (which you did not). I'm rather a bit irritated at how men -- especially white men -- are villainized by the media and women are proclaimed to be silent sufferers...silent sufferers of what? We are not monsters, ignorant, sexist, abusive, violent etc. because we're men. And women have special funds to send them to college and pay for them as they raise kids alone, but men and single dads have no such advocacy.
I guess my point is, why do we differentiate at all between the sexes rather than encouraging them all?
Also if knowledge is what fixes world problems why do we have more than ever before (at least in recent decades) despite having more knowledge in the world than ever before? Knowing things does nothing toward fixing them.

2. The education of women is directly linked to decreased infant mortality.
Why does a woman's schooling affect whether her baby lives or dies? Some of the best mothers I've seen were drop outs, while the worst I've seen all had High School educations. Really what bothered me here was the suggestion (implied) that women without a full school education were inept or plain not capable as mothers. Also of note is how common mothers abandoning their children has become despite the increase in female education. Is there a link? None whatsoever. I am not the least opposed to women learning. Please don't read me as such, I simply wonder what you were saying.

3. How is education freedom? Plenty of smart people are enslaved, hence the applications to leave their countries and study in ours. And as personal freedom goes, in that sense you are only enslaved if you choose to be. No one is ever forced to be enslaved in any way they do not allow, not as your wording seems to imply. Mayhaps I misread it?

4. Educated women are less likely to be abused. Methinks you are saying that women who have an education will believe in themselves enough to not feel unable to do anything but take the abuse which is not a bad point by any means. However it came across initially (to me at least) as saying that abused women are ignorant, or that only dumb women are abused, or perhaps even that those who remain in abusive situations are stupid, all of which are a slap in the face to me as a close friend and relation to more than one woman who was abused.


Again, I'm not debating or saying you're necessarily wrong. I'm asking for clarification and help understanding why you seem so passionate about women learning and having freedom but nonchalant about men having the same liberties since, like women, not all men have those things. It feels as though your posts on the topic gloss over one or ignore it entirely while persistently debating the importance of the other issue.



Sword legion : I would agree with the idea of teaching without curriculum IF the parents could be counted on to teach the children everything they need to know about those things, but frankly I doubt the vast majority of the world's parents could or would do so. After all, technology and the world in general constantly advance and so by the time one of us has kids we'll not know everything those children might need for work. Granted most physical labor jobs won't need advanced maths, but many tech jobs or other positions probably will. To program I had to learn maths that my parents (despite dad finishing high school and mom teaching me home school) had never even heard of. In fact I had never heard of them and I was only in my mid twenties!
Science? Eh, not sure it should be required, though I loved it.
Social Studies? A sense of pride for your nation and a knowledge of it's roots and past are essential to a healthy society (not that we have one!), so I'm in favor of it to some degree. Still most of what is taught in that area feels like filler and I learned all of the more important things in it from simply talking to family and taking an interest in various writings on it.
Reading? Absolutely necessary, though since you mentioned English separately, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by reading. Frankly I find reading vital but English (the subject. ie. verbs, nouns, sentence diagramming, etc.) to be entirely useless.

But yes, ideally people would teach their kids themselves. If only they would do so consistently and properly. And as someone who learned most of what they did through observation and communication with their parents and people around them, I agree with what you said Michael Perl said.
Ghostbear1111 : I've noticed you seem to be quite passionate about the idea that women should learn. May I ask why women being educated would benefit the world more than me being educated? This isn't a debate forum nor do I wish to debate, both out of respect to Kimmy and my own personal beliefs that debating is wrong, rather I honestly wish to hear why you feel the way you do. If I'm being honest a few points in your post kind of bothered me a bit for various reasons.


1. You say that many (though you didn't outright identify with this group) believe teaching women is the fix for the world's problems. But why could women fix what men can't? Are they better than we? More capable? This doesn't offend my pride as a man, as I know who I am (no thanks to media or society) so I'm confident and comfortable enough in my own skin not to get offended or upset even if someone were to outright challenge it (which you did not). I'm rather a bit irritated at how men -- especially white men -- are villainized by the media and women are proclaimed to be silent sufferers...silent sufferers of what? We are not monsters, ignorant, sexist, abusive, violent etc. because we're men. And women have special funds to send them to college and pay for them as they raise kids alone, but men and single dads have no such advocacy.
I guess my point is, why do we differentiate at all between the sexes rather than encouraging them all?
Also if knowledge is what fixes world problems why do we have more than ever before (at least in recent decades) despite having more knowledge in the world than ever before? Knowing things does nothing toward fixing them.

2. The education of women is directly linked to decreased infant mortality.
Why does a woman's schooling affect whether her baby lives or dies? Some of the best mothers I've seen were drop outs, while the worst I've seen all had High School educations. Really what bothered me here was the suggestion (implied) that women without a full school education were inept or plain not capable as mothers. Also of note is how common mothers abandoning their children has become despite the increase in female education. Is there a link? None whatsoever. I am not the least opposed to women learning. Please don't read me as such, I simply wonder what you were saying.

3. How is education freedom? Plenty of smart people are enslaved, hence the applications to leave their countries and study in ours. And as personal freedom goes, in that sense you are only enslaved if you choose to be. No one is ever forced to be enslaved in any way they do not allow, not as your wording seems to imply. Mayhaps I misread it?

4. Educated women are less likely to be abused. Methinks you are saying that women who have an education will believe in themselves enough to not feel unable to do anything but take the abuse which is not a bad point by any means. However it came across initially (to me at least) as saying that abused women are ignorant, or that only dumb women are abused, or perhaps even that those who remain in abusive situations are stupid, all of which are a slap in the face to me as a close friend and relation to more than one woman who was abused.


Again, I'm not debating or saying you're necessarily wrong. I'm asking for clarification and help understanding why you seem so passionate about women learning and having freedom but nonchalant about men having the same liberties since, like women, not all men have those things. It feels as though your posts on the topic gloss over one or ignore it entirely while persistently debating the importance of the other issue.



Sword legion : I would agree with the idea of teaching without curriculum IF the parents could be counted on to teach the children everything they need to know about those things, but frankly I doubt the vast majority of the world's parents could or would do so. After all, technology and the world in general constantly advance and so by the time one of us has kids we'll not know everything those children might need for work. Granted most physical labor jobs won't need advanced maths, but many tech jobs or other positions probably will. To program I had to learn maths that my parents (despite dad finishing high school and mom teaching me home school) had never even heard of. In fact I had never heard of them and I was only in my mid twenties!
Science? Eh, not sure it should be required, though I loved it.
Social Studies? A sense of pride for your nation and a knowledge of it's roots and past are essential to a healthy society (not that we have one!), so I'm in favor of it to some degree. Still most of what is taught in that area feels like filler and I learned all of the more important things in it from simply talking to family and taking an interest in various writings on it.
Reading? Absolutely necessary, though since you mentioned English separately, I'm not entirely sure what you mean by reading. Frankly I find reading vital but English (the subject. ie. verbs, nouns, sentence diagramming, etc.) to be entirely useless.

But yes, ideally people would teach their kids themselves. If only they would do so consistently and properly. And as someone who learned most of what they did through observation and communication with their parents and people around them, I agree with what you said Michael Perl said.
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Eirinn : Excellent! A conversation. It is nice to see you ask the questions instead of go on the offense and simply attack the things I've said.

Please allow me to provide you with my viewpoint? Is it right or wrong? No. It's data and statistics plus what I think and feel. There's no right answer here.

1. I specifically say teaching women because I'm operating off the expectation that males already get education. The history of humanity has been dominated by male participation and until recently men were always on the inside, looking out. Men were in the clubs of scholars, poets, scientists, engineers, and males have always led humanity in the way of scientific studies. What percentage of high level STEM professionals are male? Males simply have access to many more rights than females do across the world. If you don't accept that as a fundamental truth, there's no sense in you continuing reading. If you think males are equal to or have more disadvantages to females because they're male, we can't have a discussion. Yes, I believe all people should be encouraged and educated. But I'm looking at countries not called United States, England, Canada, etc. It's not that men can't fix it; it is the elevation of women to equals culturally across the world.

2. The impact of education of women, and the World Health Organization, among other notable groups, has shown women with higher literacy rates are quicker to seek prenatal and neonatal care. They are more like to be in the presence of skilled attendants, more likely to breastfeed, more likely to understand the importance of sanitation and the ramifications of AIDS and HIV. Women make choices that are more beneficial to survival rates of infants and newborns when they're higher educated. You can say some women drop out of school and are excellent mothers. Sure, some succeed. But if I had to bet on a mother holding a college degree from a university in Japan vs. a mother who can't read in Kenya, I know who I bet on.

3. Education is freedom because it gives you options. A person who drops out of high school can do what for a career? Not a whole lot. Someone makes it to college and picks a degree in electrical engineering because they like it? That is controlling your fate. Being able to have a choice is the best definition of freedom I know. Perhaps you have a better one.

4. Abuse of women. Again, you're looking at this ethnocentric-ly. I am not talking about a housewife in Arkansas. I'm talking about the Taliban's suppression of women's rights, or female genital mutilation in Africa, or interpretations of Islam's fatwahs that call for raped women to be executed for bringing shame to their family.

If you don't want to root for those women, well, my goodness.

And I will passionately defend men's rights but I haven't seen that thread yet. Post about how 62% of bachelor degrees in the U.S. are presented to women and watch me talk about the massive educational lag and disadvantage men have. It is offensive.

Does any of that make sense? I look forward to seeing your thoughts.

Eirinn : Excellent! A conversation. It is nice to see you ask the questions instead of go on the offense and simply attack the things I've said.

Please allow me to provide you with my viewpoint? Is it right or wrong? No. It's data and statistics plus what I think and feel. There's no right answer here.

1. I specifically say teaching women because I'm operating off the expectation that males already get education. The history of humanity has been dominated by male participation and until recently men were always on the inside, looking out. Men were in the clubs of scholars, poets, scientists, engineers, and males have always led humanity in the way of scientific studies. What percentage of high level STEM professionals are male? Males simply have access to many more rights than females do across the world. If you don't accept that as a fundamental truth, there's no sense in you continuing reading. If you think males are equal to or have more disadvantages to females because they're male, we can't have a discussion. Yes, I believe all people should be encouraged and educated. But I'm looking at countries not called United States, England, Canada, etc. It's not that men can't fix it; it is the elevation of women to equals culturally across the world.

2. The impact of education of women, and the World Health Organization, among other notable groups, has shown women with higher literacy rates are quicker to seek prenatal and neonatal care. They are more like to be in the presence of skilled attendants, more likely to breastfeed, more likely to understand the importance of sanitation and the ramifications of AIDS and HIV. Women make choices that are more beneficial to survival rates of infants and newborns when they're higher educated. You can say some women drop out of school and are excellent mothers. Sure, some succeed. But if I had to bet on a mother holding a college degree from a university in Japan vs. a mother who can't read in Kenya, I know who I bet on.

3. Education is freedom because it gives you options. A person who drops out of high school can do what for a career? Not a whole lot. Someone makes it to college and picks a degree in electrical engineering because they like it? That is controlling your fate. Being able to have a choice is the best definition of freedom I know. Perhaps you have a better one.

4. Abuse of women. Again, you're looking at this ethnocentric-ly. I am not talking about a housewife in Arkansas. I'm talking about the Taliban's suppression of women's rights, or female genital mutilation in Africa, or interpretations of Islam's fatwahs that call for raped women to be executed for bringing shame to their family.

If you don't want to root for those women, well, my goodness.

And I will passionately defend men's rights but I haven't seen that thread yet. Post about how 62% of bachelor degrees in the U.S. are presented to women and watch me talk about the massive educational lag and disadvantage men have. It is offensive.

Does any of that make sense? I look forward to seeing your thoughts.

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1. I see. That is certainly true, but I was referring to the preference toward helping women so much more than men in America (assuming that's where you live). Not that your post implied that at all, especially since it was made to someone who lives outside of the states. I agree in people being equal, though I do realize we disagree on what exactly that means as I feel women and men each have their own place in society and life in general, however we can certainly agree that education has absolutely nothing to do with those roles. Women have every right to learn as much as men. I think in the end we were simply viewing it from two different perspectives. Kind of like trying to line something up perfectly on mark: try doing it with one eye only (one point of view). It gets lined up perfectly!...until you let the other eye see it. Both eyes must be a little less than happy with the final outcome for the item to be truly in line with it's intended mark, and it is not until the brain utilizes feed from both sides that we can see it as such. Neither side should ever dominate. This I feel is how we are in a sense. We're both shooting for true equality and due to our different angles we see the direction we need to go to achieve that differently. A bit of a paradox.

2. Again, I was looking largely at this from the viewpoint of an American household, though I suspected you might be speaking of countries where women are considerably less prepared for basic aspects of life. In that sense I couldn't agree more that knowledge is key to raising a child, however from the prospect of someone like Kimmy, I have no doubt that she by now has an intelligence far more than that is required to know how to tend to a newborn's needs (seriously, this girl is so smart it hurts my head lol) such as sanitization, etc. the rest comes when any woman with access to the necessary literature (education again, but not the kind taught in most public schools for obvious reasons) will learn during the gestation period. I was taking you as implying that a high school education in any country leads to a more capable mother which in reality is not the case. At least not in countries where women are more educated than they might be in say, well...some third world countries (removed the country I started to name to avoid potential offense, though I doubt anyone here is from that country).

3. Without turning this into a sermon (which is tempting, but off topic) no, I have no better definition of freedom as choices are the core definition of freedom. However I have no high school education, in fact I left at a considerably low grade level, but I have managed to learn more than most people I know personally thanks to internet resources and written literature, as well as the power of observation. I'm a programmer (though still very basic) and am now dabbling in graphics design (3D model design more specifically), have learned some more advanced maths than are taught pre-college and reached a higher level of literacy and a better sense of grammar in general than most people I speak with on a regular basis who graduated, though admittedly my punctuation is lacking at best. Am I smart? I wouldn't dare be so bold as to proclaim that of myself. I may be advanced in some areas, but I lack in others. So yes, a high school education (and preferably college) is unparalleled in helping one achieve a good career and good life in general, but it is not quite as desperate as you say with us not having any options thanks in large part to the freedom of knowledge in the computer age. Again, this is specifically pertaining to countries such as the US and England. I've never shared this information about myself with anyone really as it's not something to be proud of, but mayhaps someone here will benefit from knowing it. Also I did make a point in my first post to tell Kimmy that school is helping prepare her for a better life, so I think we agree here.

4. Again, in that light I cannot disagree in the least. Though as you pointed out, in the states men have slipped below the line of equality in that particular area. So again we are in agreement though looking from different angles.
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1. I see. That is certainly true, but I was referring to the preference toward helping women so much more than men in America (assuming that's where you live). Not that your post implied that at all, especially since it was made to someone who lives outside of the states. I agree in people being equal, though I do realize we disagree on what exactly that means as I feel women and men each have their own place in society and life in general, however we can certainly agree that education has absolutely nothing to do with those roles. Women have every right to learn as much as men. I think in the end we were simply viewing it from two different perspectives. Kind of like trying to line something up perfectly on mark: try doing it with one eye only (one point of view). It gets lined up perfectly!...until you let the other eye see it. Both eyes must be a little less than happy with the final outcome for the item to be truly in line with it's intended mark, and it is not until the brain utilizes feed from both sides that we can see it as such. Neither side should ever dominate. This I feel is how we are in a sense. We're both shooting for true equality and due to our different angles we see the direction we need to go to achieve that differently. A bit of a paradox.

2. Again, I was looking largely at this from the viewpoint of an American household, though I suspected you might be speaking of countries where women are considerably less prepared for basic aspects of life. In that sense I couldn't agree more that knowledge is key to raising a child, however from the prospect of someone like Kimmy, I have no doubt that she by now has an intelligence far more than that is required to know how to tend to a newborn's needs (seriously, this girl is so smart it hurts my head lol) such as sanitization, etc. the rest comes when any woman with access to the necessary literature (education again, but not the kind taught in most public schools for obvious reasons) will learn during the gestation period. I was taking you as implying that a high school education in any country leads to a more capable mother which in reality is not the case. At least not in countries where women are more educated than they might be in say, well...some third world countries (removed the country I started to name to avoid potential offense, though I doubt anyone here is from that country).

3. Without turning this into a sermon (which is tempting, but off topic) no, I have no better definition of freedom as choices are the core definition of freedom. However I have no high school education, in fact I left at a considerably low grade level, but I have managed to learn more than most people I know personally thanks to internet resources and written literature, as well as the power of observation. I'm a programmer (though still very basic) and am now dabbling in graphics design (3D model design more specifically), have learned some more advanced maths than are taught pre-college and reached a higher level of literacy and a better sense of grammar in general than most people I speak with on a regular basis who graduated, though admittedly my punctuation is lacking at best. Am I smart? I wouldn't dare be so bold as to proclaim that of myself. I may be advanced in some areas, but I lack in others. So yes, a high school education (and preferably college) is unparalleled in helping one achieve a good career and good life in general, but it is not quite as desperate as you say with us not having any options thanks in large part to the freedom of knowledge in the computer age. Again, this is specifically pertaining to countries such as the US and England. I've never shared this information about myself with anyone really as it's not something to be proud of, but mayhaps someone here will benefit from knowing it. Also I did make a point in my first post to tell Kimmy that school is helping prepare her for a better life, so I think we agree here.

4. Again, in that light I cannot disagree in the least. Though as you pointed out, in the states men have slipped below the line of equality in that particular area. So again we are in agreement though looking from different angles.
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Eirinn : See, that's why all this works. I said some things and you asked for clarification. I clarified in a professional manner and you read what I had to say. No one attacked anyone, no one was offended, we had a discussion and it turns out we're basically saying the same thing but, as you pointed out, from different angles.

Isn't it amazing that by asking questions and seeking to understand the other person, we can find common ground and agree with each other?

It's too bad the way of the world doesn't follow the same set of rules more often than not. You and I are hallmarks of diplomacy and eloquence on Vizzed.com. We should be given some sort of honorary badge to wear.
Eirinn : See, that's why all this works. I said some things and you asked for clarification. I clarified in a professional manner and you read what I had to say. No one attacked anyone, no one was offended, we had a discussion and it turns out we're basically saying the same thing but, as you pointed out, from different angles.

Isn't it amazing that by asking questions and seeking to understand the other person, we can find common ground and agree with each other?

It's too bad the way of the world doesn't follow the same set of rules more often than not. You and I are hallmarks of diplomacy and eloquence on Vizzed.com. We should be given some sort of honorary badge to wear.
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You forgot that moment when you are  about to lose your childhood and get 18...

As well as getting a job, and losing more freetime..


Yeah I'm about to go through that within 1 year from now so I'll be on this site a lot less depending on the status of 18.. and whoever becomes the next president.
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You forgot that moment when you are  about to lose your childhood and get 18...

As well as getting a job, and losing more freetime..


Yeah I'm about to go through that within 1 year from now so I'll be on this site a lot less depending on the status of 18.. and whoever becomes the next president.
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That really sucks, Kimmy. I hate that school does that to people...

I was homeschooled my entire life, but a lot of friends on here make me hurt for them by knowing school does this to people. That's really messed up. Education is extremely important to a person, though. I love history, science, and stuff like that. I just wish that they, you know, also prepared you for real life too.

School won't last forever, Kimmy. There's always next summer! And post-graduation life. Although work burns all those things even more... ^.^'
That really sucks, Kimmy. I hate that school does that to people...

I was homeschooled my entire life, but a lot of friends on here make me hurt for them by knowing school does this to people. That's really messed up. Education is extremely important to a person, though. I love history, science, and stuff like that. I just wish that they, you know, also prepared you for real life too.

School won't last forever, Kimmy. There's always next summer! And post-graduation life. Although work burns all those things even more... ^.^'
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NintendoFanKimmy : Totally feel bad for you. Thankfully, I'm not in school anymore. Yeaaaaa! But now I have work...At least I'm getting paid though. Hope they don't tear you down too bad. Hang in there!
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As one of the few public school proponents on this board (I guess not suprisingly considering such a large portion of the userbase was homeschooled) I do want to give a different view on the subject of public school vs home school. I think in most cases home school is going to be a worse option than public school. I don't think most families have the time or resources to be able to properly home school their child. Me for example, I was raised by a single mom and during my younger years she had to work two full time jobs and was struggling with just making ends meat. We didn't even have internet at the time. There's no way she'd have the time, energy or money needed to be able home school me even now when our financial situation has improved. That's without even considering that often times parents might not have the education needed themselves to teach a child what it needs. I doubt most parents are going to be able to teach advanced maths for example. Sure you can use online resources but when parents don't know much about what Is being taught, it's hard to be able to identify which resources are reliable and which are bad for teaching. 

I also feel like public school does teach things that are very hard to replicate in a home setting. It teaches you time management, dealing with people/teachers you don't like, public speaking, dealing with pressure and many other things that are going to be useful in most day to day adult lives. It also forces you to be social to some extent developing your social skills. I'm not saying it doesn't have its drawbacks like potentially dealing with bullies and being influenced by group pressure but there's always two sides to the coin.

In regards to the curriculum I actually think it's good to require a lot of different subjects, despite a joke I made in another thread Yes you're going to forget most details as you get older and most of it doesn't have any direct application in whatever job you end up with. However you're likely going to remember basic important concepts like the process of photosynthesis and overall it helps advance common knowledge. I hate to think where society would be if we weren't required to learn things like basic biology or social studies. We would've likely had people who still think the Earth is flat and struggle with the most basic skills like critical thinking or basic reasoning. Those are all skills I developed largely thanks to public school. I think home school has a greater risk of "turning you into a robot" because you'll most of the time mainly be exposed to just one type of viewpoint, that of your parents, in stead of dealing with tons of different perspectives like you would in your average public school. Having educated teachers within subjects (even if there's a risk of the occasional one you don't get along with) is also extremely valuable for when you have questions in a subject, especially during later years of high school and when learning something like a language

Besides that I also think it's useful for discovering what you're interested in. Most kids don't have an idea of what they want to pursue when they're still in elementary school and thus home schooling has the risk of the parent essentially determining what career path a child chooses. I'm currently working towards a major in economics and that's a career path I probably would've never considered hadn't it been for me taking an interest in it during high school. Not to mention not all subjects can be taught through the internet, people who might have an interest in becoming a football player or a carpenter will have a hard time developing those skills in most homes.

I'm not saying that home school doesn't have any merits or that it's a bad option for everyone, but I think in most cases public schooling is better and I do think it's necessary to have it as an option.
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Eirinn :

As one of the few public school proponents on this board (I guess not suprisingly considering such a large portion of the userbase was homeschooled) I do want to give a different view on the subject of public school vs home school. I think in most cases home school is going to be a worse option than public school. I don't think most families have the time or resources to be able to properly home school their child. Me for example, I was raised by a single mom and during my younger years she had to work two full time jobs and was struggling with just making ends meat. We didn't even have internet at the time. There's no way she'd have the time, energy or money needed to be able home school me even now when our financial situation has improved. That's without even considering that often times parents might not have the education needed themselves to teach a child what it needs. I doubt most parents are going to be able to teach advanced maths for example. Sure you can use online resources but when parents don't know much about what Is being taught, it's hard to be able to identify which resources are reliable and which are bad for teaching. 

I also feel like public school does teach things that are very hard to replicate in a home setting. It teaches you time management, dealing with people/teachers you don't like, public speaking, dealing with pressure and many other things that are going to be useful in most day to day adult lives. It also forces you to be social to some extent developing your social skills. I'm not saying it doesn't have its drawbacks like potentially dealing with bullies and being influenced by group pressure but there's always two sides to the coin.

In regards to the curriculum I actually think it's good to require a lot of different subjects, despite a joke I made in another thread Yes you're going to forget most details as you get older and most of it doesn't have any direct application in whatever job you end up with. However you're likely going to remember basic important concepts like the process of photosynthesis and overall it helps advance common knowledge. I hate to think where society would be if we weren't required to learn things like basic biology or social studies. We would've likely had people who still think the Earth is flat and struggle with the most basic skills like critical thinking or basic reasoning. Those are all skills I developed largely thanks to public school. I think home school has a greater risk of "turning you into a robot" because you'll most of the time mainly be exposed to just one type of viewpoint, that of your parents, in stead of dealing with tons of different perspectives like you would in your average public school. Having educated teachers within subjects (even if there's a risk of the occasional one you don't get along with) is also extremely valuable for when you have questions in a subject, especially during later years of high school and when learning something like a language

Besides that I also think it's useful for discovering what you're interested in. Most kids don't have an idea of what they want to pursue when they're still in elementary school and thus home schooling has the risk of the parent essentially determining what career path a child chooses. I'm currently working towards a major in economics and that's a career path I probably would've never considered hadn't it been for me taking an interest in it during high school. Not to mention not all subjects can be taught through the internet, people who might have an interest in becoming a football player or a carpenter will have a hard time developing those skills in most homes.

I'm not saying that home school doesn't have any merits or that it's a bad option for everyone, but I think in most cases public schooling is better and I do think it's necessary to have it as an option.
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Well, school and schoolwork just suck. Feel for you because you have so many things to be worried about in and out of school. I know none of us on this site can really change your school situation or whatever, but you always have your friends here that care about you, unlike a lot of the classmates that we have. Hopefully, things get better for you at school. Stay strong, this too shall pass. 
Well, school and schoolwork just suck. Feel for you because you have so many things to be worried about in and out of school. I know none of us on this site can really change your school situation or whatever, but you always have your friends here that care about you, unlike a lot of the classmates that we have. Hopefully, things get better for you at school. Stay strong, this too shall pass. 
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Honey, wait until your 17-18, leaving high school and going to College (If you're going of course, even then youll have to get a job and live on your own). *Laughs and goes into a corner, crying and rocking back and forth from both insanity and stress* (Did I really just say honey?)

I hated high school and couldn't wait for it to be over. It's weird to actually not be doing anything right now with my life (Well, I shouldnt say that, I'm applying to get a job and trying for my license). Because I had a mixture of awesome stress from doing daily schoolwork, doing everything around the house and preparing for college. Which wont be cheap. And will be hard to get into.

It's actually a weird feeling. I cant wait to leave home, Yet I dont want to leave because that means I have to adult. Which is a scary thing to think of.

Zlinqx : YOU GET ME. The whole homeschooling thing through the internet was fun at first, no bullies (Mostly) and I wasnt pressured by friends. But look at where I am now. I have the sociability of a rock. I mean, it's a lot more flexable. But its not even like that over the years I found a good school to go to online, because literally every year or every other year I would change schools. And the only reason why I stayed with my last school as long is because it was my last year. If not, I'm sure we would've switched AGAIN since it was going down a bad path.

As far as Curriculum goes. I believe this song basically says how I feel about every single school, Cyberschool or Public - 


Anyways, enjoy while your young, all that junk. And never grow up. NEVER. Actually, if you could reverse age, mind telling me how?
Honey, wait until your 17-18, leaving high school and going to College (If you're going of course, even then youll have to get a job and live on your own). *Laughs and goes into a corner, crying and rocking back and forth from both insanity and stress* (Did I really just say honey?)

I hated high school and couldn't wait for it to be over. It's weird to actually not be doing anything right now with my life (Well, I shouldnt say that, I'm applying to get a job and trying for my license). Because I had a mixture of awesome stress from doing daily schoolwork, doing everything around the house and preparing for college. Which wont be cheap. And will be hard to get into.

It's actually a weird feeling. I cant wait to leave home, Yet I dont want to leave because that means I have to adult. Which is a scary thing to think of.

Zlinqx : YOU GET ME. The whole homeschooling thing through the internet was fun at first, no bullies (Mostly) and I wasnt pressured by friends. But look at where I am now. I have the sociability of a rock. I mean, it's a lot more flexable. But its not even like that over the years I found a good school to go to online, because literally every year or every other year I would change schools. And the only reason why I stayed with my last school as long is because it was my last year. If not, I'm sure we would've switched AGAIN since it was going down a bad path.

As far as Curriculum goes. I believe this song basically says how I feel about every single school, Cyberschool or Public - 


Anyways, enjoy while your young, all that junk. And never grow up. NEVER. Actually, if you could reverse age, mind telling me how?
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Zlinqx : Thanks for being respectful in your disagreement. And I also won't say you are wrong, but I will say that I of course disagree, but who is ever wrong in their own opinion?

Social skills? It's actually been shown through research that home schooled children are more social than public schooled children. That's "the average" kid, not necessarily ALL kids.

Internet/time? We had no internet growing up, but it wasn't an issue, though I realize times have changed. I'll address this more in a bit. As for time, my mom had three of us going at once, but aside from checking our test answers against a "key" (answer sheet) she didn't have to do anything unless she just chose to. The books told us everything we needed to know. And we never really needed help because home school taught us at our own pace instead of forcing a set pace on everyone. They did this with smaller tests throughout each book. If you passed you went on farther into the book. If not, you restarted the last section. This way you never moved on to more complex things than you were prepared for.
However home schooling now actually (through some curriculum) has teachers. They send you funds to buy a laptop and hotspot and you use it to communicate with your teachers, asking them questions and (I assume) taking your lessons there. Essentially this particular form of homeschooling is like public schooling but with less secular influences and from your home. No parent involvement is required at all in the learning process. So really the busy parent can still have their child homeschooled if they wish.

As for all the various subjects: I don't oppose them, but I do feel most of it is useless unless you pursue a very specific career. For example, how many of us will EVER need to know about photosynthesis? I guess I just don't think knowing a lot is important if that knowledge will literally never be utilized by you. Still as I said, I'm not outright opposed to it, and I am very much in favor of learning and believe knowledge is an extremely powerful tool.


That's just my two cents.
Zlinqx : Thanks for being respectful in your disagreement. And I also won't say you are wrong, but I will say that I of course disagree, but who is ever wrong in their own opinion?

Social skills? It's actually been shown through research that home schooled children are more social than public schooled children. That's "the average" kid, not necessarily ALL kids.

Internet/time? We had no internet growing up, but it wasn't an issue, though I realize times have changed. I'll address this more in a bit. As for time, my mom had three of us going at once, but aside from checking our test answers against a "key" (answer sheet) she didn't have to do anything unless she just chose to. The books told us everything we needed to know. And we never really needed help because home school taught us at our own pace instead of forcing a set pace on everyone. They did this with smaller tests throughout each book. If you passed you went on farther into the book. If not, you restarted the last section. This way you never moved on to more complex things than you were prepared for.
However home schooling now actually (through some curriculum) has teachers. They send you funds to buy a laptop and hotspot and you use it to communicate with your teachers, asking them questions and (I assume) taking your lessons there. Essentially this particular form of homeschooling is like public schooling but with less secular influences and from your home. No parent involvement is required at all in the learning process. So really the busy parent can still have their child homeschooled if they wish.

As for all the various subjects: I don't oppose them, but I do feel most of it is useless unless you pursue a very specific career. For example, how many of us will EVER need to know about photosynthesis? I guess I just don't think knowing a lot is important if that knowledge will literally never be utilized by you. Still as I said, I'm not outright opposed to it, and I am very much in favor of learning and believe knowledge is an extremely powerful tool.


That's just my two cents.
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Eirinn : I'd like to see the statistics showing how kids who are home schooled are more social than those who aren't. Seems like an investigation that could have easily been made with a predetermined bias. Either way I wasn't trying to say that one can't be social while home schooled but that public schools gives you a better outset to improve your social skills by pushing you to actively be social. Something that doesn't really exist in many cases when people are home schooled (case in point Fyredove's post).

I kind of see what you're getting at but I still disagree. For one I think it's important to have deadlines and time limits when it comes to learning because that teaches you valuable lessons like how to manage time and dealing with pressure. Of course it's important that one actually goes over a subject until one understands it. That isn't something that can't be achieved in a public school however so I don't see how that makes home schooling a better approach. For example despite its faults the Swedish school system has taken great strides in giving extra aid to those who need them and help them understand various concepts. They're usually given special aid, and after school hours in certain subjects like math where they can go and get help from teachers with parts they're struggling at (though those who want to get further ahead in math can use it to). I also think school should prepare you for work life/university to a degree and there you can't simply just spend however much time on a single subject. 

Also while it is true that one doesn't need the internet since you can learn from a book that's not really going to help cut costs since one still needs to pay for textbooks. I also think purely learning from a textbook isn't a good way of learning most subjects. I feel it's important to have a teacher who you can ask questions you have that aren't directly answered in the textbook. Even if that's possible now through home schooling most subjects, even the theoretical ones also have more practical segments. For example when studying the hard sciences you'll sometimes need access to the lab equipment which is something very few parents are going to have available at home. The same is especially true for pretty much all of the practical subjects. I also think most kids are going to have a very hard time developing skills like public speaking, being able to work in groups etc from home.

In the end that's why I feel that home schooling shouldn't be the main way of learning for most kids. While there's definitely many great resources families can use to make it an alternative in some cases (at least in some countries like the US) I think there's always going to be parts that one can't effectively teach in a home setting or that is at least going to be extremely hard to replicate. I think it's more effective to combine it and use these resources as a compliment to public schooling.

About the curriculum that was more addressing Sword legion than it was you since he made a point about it in his post. I do agree that there are things that are unnecessary and that there's definitely been parts of subjects that I don't see myself ever having any sort of use for. But overall I guess the point I'm trying to make is that it's better we cover too much rather than too little. Aside from using it as a way to discover what interest you, I feel it's important that we stay reasonably educated so that we can make educated decisions in things that affect our future, like various political issues. If we didn't have any knowledge on things like biology, social studies etc then that would very likely lead to more misinformation being spread around. Hindering various scientific breakthroughs like was very much the case a few centuries ago and overall just have bad consequences for society all around. In that way I think I'm looking at it more based on what I think is beneficial for society as a whole rather than the individual. I also think that's part of the reason most countries have such a broad curriculum.

Anyway that's just how I see it. Wanted to offer a differing perspective because regardless of opinion I think it's good to discuss and reflect on these things more (kind of the point of a forum, I think anyway ).
Eirinn : I'd like to see the statistics showing how kids who are home schooled are more social than those who aren't. Seems like an investigation that could have easily been made with a predetermined bias. Either way I wasn't trying to say that one can't be social while home schooled but that public schools gives you a better outset to improve your social skills by pushing you to actively be social. Something that doesn't really exist in many cases when people are home schooled (case in point Fyredove's post).

I kind of see what you're getting at but I still disagree. For one I think it's important to have deadlines and time limits when it comes to learning because that teaches you valuable lessons like how to manage time and dealing with pressure. Of course it's important that one actually goes over a subject until one understands it. That isn't something that can't be achieved in a public school however so I don't see how that makes home schooling a better approach. For example despite its faults the Swedish school system has taken great strides in giving extra aid to those who need them and help them understand various concepts. They're usually given special aid, and after school hours in certain subjects like math where they can go and get help from teachers with parts they're struggling at (though those who want to get further ahead in math can use it to). I also think school should prepare you for work life/university to a degree and there you can't simply just spend however much time on a single subject. 

Also while it is true that one doesn't need the internet since you can learn from a book that's not really going to help cut costs since one still needs to pay for textbooks. I also think purely learning from a textbook isn't a good way of learning most subjects. I feel it's important to have a teacher who you can ask questions you have that aren't directly answered in the textbook. Even if that's possible now through home schooling most subjects, even the theoretical ones also have more practical segments. For example when studying the hard sciences you'll sometimes need access to the lab equipment which is something very few parents are going to have available at home. The same is especially true for pretty much all of the practical subjects. I also think most kids are going to have a very hard time developing skills like public speaking, being able to work in groups etc from home.

In the end that's why I feel that home schooling shouldn't be the main way of learning for most kids. While there's definitely many great resources families can use to make it an alternative in some cases (at least in some countries like the US) I think there's always going to be parts that one can't effectively teach in a home setting or that is at least going to be extremely hard to replicate. I think it's more effective to combine it and use these resources as a compliment to public schooling.

About the curriculum that was more addressing Sword legion than it was you since he made a point about it in his post. I do agree that there are things that are unnecessary and that there's definitely been parts of subjects that I don't see myself ever having any sort of use for. But overall I guess the point I'm trying to make is that it's better we cover too much rather than too little. Aside from using it as a way to discover what interest you, I feel it's important that we stay reasonably educated so that we can make educated decisions in things that affect our future, like various political issues. If we didn't have any knowledge on things like biology, social studies etc then that would very likely lead to more misinformation being spread around. Hindering various scientific breakthroughs like was very much the case a few centuries ago and overall just have bad consequences for society all around. In that way I think I'm looking at it more based on what I think is beneficial for society as a whole rather than the individual. I also think that's part of the reason most countries have such a broad curriculum.

Anyway that's just how I see it. Wanted to offer a differing perspective because regardless of opinion I think it's good to discuss and reflect on these things more (kind of the point of a forum, I think anyway ).
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Eirinn : I would like to personally beg to differ on that first part I mean, I'm sure there are some kids that do still go out and greet the world, getting social skills while being at home, but I would still like to beg to differ xD
Eirinn : I would like to personally beg to differ on that first part I mean, I'm sure there are some kids that do still go out and greet the world, getting social skills while being at home, but I would still like to beg to differ xD
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Recently, I met someone that said rules are absolute and they could never change. I guess one could say I was pretty dumbfounded when I heard that, since I was always taught that humans are humans and if a human made the rules, then the rules can always be changed.
Before you decide that I'm just making this up, the ones that tried to teach me about rules are the people that make and change rules. They said that if the rules cannot be changed, then there's no reason for anyone to appeal to a higher court, or any point in trying to change the amendments for that matter. Sadly, they didn't tell me anything more after that which is relevant to this post anyways, but I get the feeling that all too many people are under the impression that there is nothing people can do after the rules are supposedly set in stone. Well, what is education for then?

I'm not trying to stir up controversy or anything here, but just consider for a moment how wars and revolutions begin. Why did the French Revolution occur hundreds of years ago? (Maybe the guy in Fyredove's video could tell us this. =P ) Generally, when people are unhappy with something, they will seek change. Once people have reached their limits and they can no longer tolerate something anymore (for example, hunger, injustice or homelessness), they will snap and demand reforms. When negotiations and other forms of communication fail, then they might resort to violence, one of the few things that all humans can understand. In school, we try to learn that communication part so we won't have to always resort to using violence to get our points across.

Half of education is about learning what happened, but half of it is on the person himself/herself to apply what they learned to real life. If one just sits there and whines all day about not learning anything in school, then of course, they're not going to learn anything because they're just sitting there. Anything you "learn" must become part of your arsenal aka what you use to take on the world. If you think what you're learning is pointless, then ask why you're learning it. I mean it. Raise your hand and ask the teacher why whatever you're supposed to be learning is relevant to your future. Say you have great interest in the topic, but you don't know how it relates with the other things in life. (Go ahead and say a random Global told you to do that if you have to.) Having the courage to ask the instructor "why" is half the battle sometimes. Often, you'd be surprised by the instructor's replies, and you'll gain some more insight than you normally would if you just sat there, and you'll also move along more quickly in your education that way. However, if your instructor just gives you a blank look and says, "Don't question me!" or "Uhh...," then you'll likely need to get a new instructor or attend a different class, one that will actually teach you something. Remember that these teachers and professors are also humans and people and former students, and some of them could have slept through several of their classes just like you did. After all, what does one call the doctor that graduates at the bottom of their class?

As for feeling like you're too smart for your classes or you're being stifled by the pace, it frequently happens in programs and curricula where the instructor's goal is to make sure every student (even the one that's asleep) passes. This doesn't sound too terrible until you think about the other students that are now just wasting their time and creative juices, just... waiting. It's true that too many bright people are stuck in these kinds of classes which is actually destroying instead of building up their intellect, but let's look at this from another angle... If they're really as brilliant as they say they are, why haven't they figured out they're wasting their precious time and done something about it? Why haven't they gone to seek help to find something that will challenge them more? Sure, one could say that their parents can't afford to send them to better schools and stuff, but have they ever considered that they have only as much power as they try to acquire for themselves? This goes for every person on the planet, not just students either. One could laugh at Trump and Hillary as much as they like, but at the end of the day, those two still placed monumental efforts into performing the "right" actions (acting like a clown, asking people to coach them to make them more presentable, attending charities, getting up in front of a podium and going through all the political motions, etc., whatever works I guess) and making the "right" connections to get to where they currently are. Even if it's corrupt by some people's standards, somehow that worked, and they are now in a position where one of them can potentially become the President, even if many people are opposed to that.

Well, how does one change anything? You are the new generation, brand new to this world of "established" things... Any one of you out there could potentially be the new President or even Nobel Prize Winner in the future (and your teachers would do well to remember that). Well, do you like what you see for the current candidates? If you already don't like any of their qualities, then you'll have to make sure you're better than them when it comes time for you to be elected. The only way to get better is to get educated and for now, most people still attend school to be educated.

What you're experiencing now are the successes and failures of people from the past (yeah, people like me). In the old days, attending a physical school worked because we didn't have anything like the internet. Now, people can take courses online and information is often available for free if you know where to look and how to get it. If you can figure out how to change the failed systems that people from the past instituted, then you'll be able to start molding the world to your liking, and possibly help to create one that's better for everyone. (If you can do a good job of it, that'd be cool, we'll cheer for you, Kimmy! ).

*Hands you a fire extinguisher and a flamethrower* The first one's for putting out your mental fires and the second one's for lighting/maintaining that burning desire to learn in your heart. It's probably the only time "flaming" someone else on Vizzed would be allowed =P so enjoy getting them to learn, too!
Recently, I met someone that said rules are absolute and they could never change. I guess one could say I was pretty dumbfounded when I heard that, since I was always taught that humans are humans and if a human made the rules, then the rules can always be changed.
Before you decide that I'm just making this up, the ones that tried to teach me about rules are the people that make and change rules. They said that if the rules cannot be changed, then there's no reason for anyone to appeal to a higher court, or any point in trying to change the amendments for that matter. Sadly, they didn't tell me anything more after that which is relevant to this post anyways, but I get the feeling that all too many people are under the impression that there is nothing people can do after the rules are supposedly set in stone. Well, what is education for then?

I'm not trying to stir up controversy or anything here, but just consider for a moment how wars and revolutions begin. Why did the French Revolution occur hundreds of years ago? (Maybe the guy in Fyredove's video could tell us this. =P ) Generally, when people are unhappy with something, they will seek change. Once people have reached their limits and they can no longer tolerate something anymore (for example, hunger, injustice or homelessness), they will snap and demand reforms. When negotiations and other forms of communication fail, then they might resort to violence, one of the few things that all humans can understand. In school, we try to learn that communication part so we won't have to always resort to using violence to get our points across.

Half of education is about learning what happened, but half of it is on the person himself/herself to apply what they learned to real life. If one just sits there and whines all day about not learning anything in school, then of course, they're not going to learn anything because they're just sitting there. Anything you "learn" must become part of your arsenal aka what you use to take on the world. If you think what you're learning is pointless, then ask why you're learning it. I mean it. Raise your hand and ask the teacher why whatever you're supposed to be learning is relevant to your future. Say you have great interest in the topic, but you don't know how it relates with the other things in life. (Go ahead and say a random Global told you to do that if you have to.) Having the courage to ask the instructor "why" is half the battle sometimes. Often, you'd be surprised by the instructor's replies, and you'll gain some more insight than you normally would if you just sat there, and you'll also move along more quickly in your education that way. However, if your instructor just gives you a blank look and says, "Don't question me!" or "Uhh...," then you'll likely need to get a new instructor or attend a different class, one that will actually teach you something. Remember that these teachers and professors are also humans and people and former students, and some of them could have slept through several of their classes just like you did. After all, what does one call the doctor that graduates at the bottom of their class?

As for feeling like you're too smart for your classes or you're being stifled by the pace, it frequently happens in programs and curricula where the instructor's goal is to make sure every student (even the one that's asleep) passes. This doesn't sound too terrible until you think about the other students that are now just wasting their time and creative juices, just... waiting. It's true that too many bright people are stuck in these kinds of classes which is actually destroying instead of building up their intellect, but let's look at this from another angle... If they're really as brilliant as they say they are, why haven't they figured out they're wasting their precious time and done something about it? Why haven't they gone to seek help to find something that will challenge them more? Sure, one could say that their parents can't afford to send them to better schools and stuff, but have they ever considered that they have only as much power as they try to acquire for themselves? This goes for every person on the planet, not just students either. One could laugh at Trump and Hillary as much as they like, but at the end of the day, those two still placed monumental efforts into performing the "right" actions (acting like a clown, asking people to coach them to make them more presentable, attending charities, getting up in front of a podium and going through all the political motions, etc., whatever works I guess) and making the "right" connections to get to where they currently are. Even if it's corrupt by some people's standards, somehow that worked, and they are now in a position where one of them can potentially become the President, even if many people are opposed to that.

Well, how does one change anything? You are the new generation, brand new to this world of "established" things... Any one of you out there could potentially be the new President or even Nobel Prize Winner in the future (and your teachers would do well to remember that). Well, do you like what you see for the current candidates? If you already don't like any of their qualities, then you'll have to make sure you're better than them when it comes time for you to be elected. The only way to get better is to get educated and for now, most people still attend school to be educated.

What you're experiencing now are the successes and failures of people from the past (yeah, people like me). In the old days, attending a physical school worked because we didn't have anything like the internet. Now, people can take courses online and information is often available for free if you know where to look and how to get it. If you can figure out how to change the failed systems that people from the past instituted, then you'll be able to start molding the world to your liking, and possibly help to create one that's better for everyone. (If you can do a good job of it, that'd be cool, we'll cheer for you, Kimmy! ).

*Hands you a fire extinguisher and a flamethrower* The first one's for putting out your mental fires and the second one's for lighting/maintaining that burning desire to learn in your heart. It's probably the only time "flaming" someone else on Vizzed would be allowed =P so enjoy getting them to learn, too!
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